Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Reports of shooter with explosives at the Bataclan.

Carnacalla wrote: »

Man on sky news blaiming al-qaeda

It must be true then.

At least 60 dead so far, and it will only get worse.

Dick phelan wrote: »

I'v said it for years sadly it won't be long before something like this happens in our country, These problems will never be solved until we stop being so afraid to openly speak about the issue, Islam is in conflict with Western values.

The bizarre thing is that it actually is not. It is actually a hugely anarchic religion where no human agency has authority. There is no Muslim equivalent of a Pope or even a Church. So Islam can be hugely individualistic in line with Western values on individualism.

However, seeing as there is no organised Muslim religion, there is equally no organised opposition to cranks who preach hate and intolerant puritanism. Saudi oil wealth has funded these cranks for the past 50 - 60 years, and western governments have unwisely tried to "engage" with cranks with the misguided aim of multiculturalism (Londonstan, etc)

The likes of ISIS and their "fellow travellers" are an evil of the likes of the Dirlewanger SS Brigade. This was an SS brigade so evil that Guderian recorded their commander breaking down as he admitted the conduct of the unit in their fighting in places likes Warsaw. An SS brigade, that traumatised their commander.

Europe has faced this sort of evil before. The problem was not solved by engaging with it and trying to understand their point of view - it was solved by killing them, and if any survived by following the survivors and killing them. The Dirlewanger brigade was wiped out, and their members lie in unmarked graves. At the same time, after the high feelings of the time were resolved, it was understood that Germans were not equivalent with Nazism. The same approach, and the same understanding, needs to be applied to the problem Europe faces today. Muslims are not the enemy. Jihadist groups are. Find them. Fix them. Kill them.

invade countries and this is what you get. Pitty it's innocent people, and not the politicians.

TallGlass wrote: »

I don't want to disrespect there training along with the ERU or RSU but if this was to happen here we would be up **** creek without a paddle for a few hours.

Your wrong

Dick phelan wrote: »

I'll admit i am genuinely scared, the world is changing into a very dark place.

The world has always been a very dark place.
24 hour news and a demand for same, as well as the technology to make reporting almost real time have just made that world a lot smaller.

RIP to all those who were going about their business as normal and got caught up in this.

Zillah wrote: »

Blaming Muslims is exactly what they want you to do. They want a war between Islam and the West, whereas right now the only war is barbarism vs civilisation. Turning on Islam as a whole is perfect for them, they can't get the Muslim world to back them without it.

It absolutely is a war between Islam and the West.

There has been constant tension - a neverending struggle between oppressive ideoligies and humanism (or call it what you want) for the past 500 years.

It's not exclusively between Islam and the West, but Islam is the only religion we have to actually interact with in Western countries.

Even fundamentalist Christianity is hugely watered down and almost totally inoffensive at this stage.

Only when serious religion - actually believing this bull**** at the expense of the society you live in - is extinguished will we be free from this threat.