Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

greendom · 09-11-2015 04:54PM

keano_afc wrote: »

Hardly a new problem though, is it?

That's for sure

Mr Blobby · 09-11-2015 04:54PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Bony,Remy,Costa,Kane,Sturridge,Zarate,ageuro,rooney,hernandez etc.

Not saying they are all better than Giroud, but a lot of strikers seem to be overlooked In here all the time. Giroud Isn't In the same league as Ageuro or an in-from Costa and that's the problem. Giroud would be a great back up/option for any team.

Ah here some of those are silly.
Remy,Zarate,Hernandez and Rooney :pac:

I do rate Bony,Costa and Kane but the only players i'd take would be Aguero and Sturridge.

Aubameyang would be nice.

efb · 09-11-2015 04:54PM

Rooney??? I'd rather Welbeck

Irish Aris · 09-11-2015 04:55PM

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Ah here some of those are silly.
Remy,Zarate,Hernandez and Rooney :pac:

I do rate Bony,Costa and Kane but the only players i'd take would be Aguero and Sturridge.

Aubameyang would be nice.

Well, Sturridge's injury rate combined with our injury rate would probably mean he would never actually play!! :pac:

Ken Shamrock · 09-11-2015 04:59PM

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Ah here some of those are silly.
Remy,Zarate,Hernandez and Rooney :pac:

I do rate Bony,Costa and Kane but the only players i'd take would be Aguero and Sturridge.

Aubameyang would be nice.

They all have better goal per minute ratio's than Giroud but whatever, suppose that doesn't matter.

efb · 09-11-2015 05:00PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

They all have better goal per minute ratio's than Giroud but whatever, suppose that doesn't matter.

Since when? Not this season

Was it last season? Rooney include penalties?

efb · 09-11-2015 05:01PM

"I don't have much baggage. I just packed my PS4, my TV and jumped in my car!"

Danny Welbeck tells the #ArsenalWeekly podcast how easy it was for him to move to London

Lol

Gringo180 · 09-11-2015 05:01PM

emmetlego wrote: »

Giroud is far from ****! He's very very good, but his finishing yesterday was poor!

He is a decent striker, I like him, but he is not a player that suits our style of play and should never be our number one centre forward, neither should Walcott. Both good back up attackers like the way Kanu, Suker or Wiltord were back in the day but we should be looking to bring in a striker that is clinical in front of goal.

jonneymendoza · 09-11-2015 05:02PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Yeah Rooney, Englands record goal scorer and a guy who has scored over 170 PL goals... so laughable. What's laughable Is how fickle people are.

Rooney has been **** mate what are on about? Makes sanogoo look world class

Mr Blobby · 09-11-2015 05:04PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

He is a decent striker, I like him, but he is not a player that suits our style of play and should never be our number one centre forward, neither should Walcott. Both good back up attackers like the way Kanu, Suker or Wiltord were back in the day but we should be looking to bring in a striker that is clinical in front of goal.

I think he suits us when we need something "different".
His hold up play and one touch passing are some of best i've seen in a CF. He just lacks pace and finishing.

Ken Shamrock · 09-11-2015 05:04PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Rooney has been **** mate what are on about? Makes sanogoo look world class

He's In a poor run of form yes, Is that your point? Because everyone know's that. It doesn't make him a sh1te striker. Even In his worst year(last year) he scored 12 PL goals, 2 less than Giroud who had what some would call a good/great season.

Mr Blobby · 09-11-2015 05:05PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

He's In a poor run of form yes, Is that your point? Because everyone know's that. It doesn't make him a sh1te striker. Even In his worst year(last year) he scored 12 PL goals, 2 less than Giroud who had what some would call a good/great season.

Giroud also broke his foot last year and was out for ages.

gosplan · 09-11-2015 05:08PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Bony,Remy,Costa,Kane,Sturridge,Zarate,ageuro,rooney,hernandez etc.

Not saying they are all better than Giroud, but a lot of strikers seem to be overlooked In here all the time. Giroud Isn't In the same league as Ageuro or an in-from Costa and that's the problem. Giroud would be a great back up/option for any team.

That's exactly my point. If you want a backup striker, you won't do better.

Ken Shamrock · 09-11-2015 05:08PM

Mr Blobby wrote: »

Giroud also broke his foot last year and was out for ages.

Played 27/38 games.

Soups123 · 09-11-2015 05:11PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Bony,Remy,Costa,Kane,Sturridge,Zarate,ageuro,rooney,hernandez etc.

In fairness Ken that's a poor list, I'd be disappointed to replace Giroud with any of those bar Ageuro possibly Kane/Costa at a push

gosplan · 09-11-2015 05:11PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

He's In a poor run of form yes, Is that your point? Because everyone know's that. It doesn't make him a sh1te striker. Even In his worst year(last year) he scored 12 PL goals, 2 less than Giroud who had what some would call a good/great season.

Rooney from a few years back in a heartbeat.

Think this is more than loss of form.

Costa on form yes but I'd hate him at Arsenal.

Everyone else there or thereabouts but no-one you'd swap Giroud for.

Kane but only if he can continue last season.

Mr Blobby · 09-11-2015 05:13PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Played 27/38 games.

That's still 11 games out.
Also Rooney's "bad form" has been going on for nearly 2 season.

If you're gonna buy another forward why go for a aging forward that will have little return.

Gringo180 · 09-11-2015 05:13PM

Mr Blobby wrote: »

I think he suits us when we need something "different".
His hold up play and one touch passing are some of best i've seen in a CF. He just lacks pace and finishing.

So two of the most important attributes a striker can have he lacks. Says it all really :pac:

Ken Shamrock · 09-11-2015 05:19PM

Soups123 wrote: »

In fairness Ken that's a poor list, I'd be disappointed to replace Giroud with any of those bar Ageuro possibly Kane/Costa at a push

A poor list why? Once again, every single person on that list has a better goals per minute ratio than Giroud, not sure what makes a good list on this forum but If anyone has one please share It with me.

Mr Blobby wrote: »

That's still 11 games out.
Also Rooney's "bad form" has been going on for nearly 2 season.

If you're gonna buy another forward why go for a aging forward that will have little return.

Yeah? Well the season before he managed to score 17 PL goals which Is more than Giroud has ever managed In a PL season. Not sure what else you want from me here.

I never suggested buying Rooney BTW I'm just saying that Giroud Isn't the best 2nd best or even top among 5 the best PL strikers.

Mr Blobby · 09-11-2015 05:22PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

I never suggested buying Rooney BTW I'm just saying that Giroud Isn't the best 2nd best or even top among 5 the best PL strikers.

Ah my bad.
Assumed you wanted to buy em.. :P

Soups123 · 09-11-2015 05:27PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

A poor list why? Once again, every single person on that list has a better goals per minute ratio than Giroud, not sure what makes a good list on this forum but If anyone has one please share It with me.

Yeah? Well the season before he managed to score 17 PL goals which Is more than Giroud has ever managed In a PL season. Not sure what else you want from me here.
.

What's the stats your referring to? Rooney has struggled for goals last two years, Remy doesn't play, Stutridgeinjured last 18+ mths, Costa has struggled for a goal this season, Hernandez isn't about,

Ken Shamrock · 09-11-2015 05:32PM

Soups123 wrote: »

What's the stats your referring to? Rooney has struggled for goals last two years, Remy doesn't play, Stutridgeinjured last 18+ mths, Costa has struggled for a goal this season, Hernandez isn't about,

The stats I'm referring too are PL goals per PL minutes played. It takes into account every minute a player has played In the PL not just the 12 games or so that have happened this year.

gosplan · 09-11-2015 05:47PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

The stats I'm referring too are PL goals per PL minutes played. It takes into account every minute a player has played In the PL not just the 12 games or so that have happened this year.

Hasn't Giroud improved at this a bit?

Like the Giroud now vrs when he first arrived.

Ken Shamrock · 09-11-2015 05:53PM

gosplan wrote: »

Hasn't Giroud improved at this a bit?

Like the Giroud now vrs when he first arrived.

He has indeed. He's still not good enough to be the main striker of a club realistically aspiring to be the champions of Europe and England. He's missed more clear cut chances than any other player this season. Plus another dozen or so good/halve good chances.

As someone said he lacks pace and finishing, well unfortunately finishing Is the most important trait of a striker...

tayto lover · 09-11-2015 05:58PM

Giroud is very good and has done well for Arsenal.
Could we get better? Of course.
Did he play well and score important goals for us? Of course he did.
Is he good at hold-up play and lay-offs? Usually.
He just was not at the races yesterday and was very poor imo.

Ken Shamrock · 09-11-2015 06:03PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Giroud is very good and has done well for Arsenal.
Could we get better? Of course.
Did he play well and score important goals for us? Of course he did.
Is he good at hold-up play and lay-offs? Usually.
He just was not at the races yesterday and was very poor imo.

and many many other days. I've said It before and I'll stick by It, with the amount of chances this team creates and the players that we have, If we had a clinical finisher up top we'd already be champions.

tayto lover · 09-11-2015 06:58PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

and many many other days. I've said It before and I'll stick by It, with the amount of chances this team creates and the players that we have, If we had a clinical finisher up top we'd already be champions.

If we had just signed the lad with the bit of bite that time :pac:

Ol' Donie · 09-11-2015 07:09PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

The stats I'm referring too are PL goals per PL minutes played. It takes into account every minute a player has played In the PL not just the 12 games or so that have happened this year.

Sure going by that we might as well just get Henry back.

efb · 09-11-2015 07:32PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

The stats I'm referring too are PL goals per PL minutes played. It takes into account every minute a player has played In the PL not just the 12 games or so that have happened this year.

Ruud Van Nistlerooy ftw

Soups123 · 09-11-2015 07:35PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

The stats I'm referring too are PL goals per PL minutes played. It takes into account every minute a player has played In the PL not just the 12 games or so that have happened this year.

Okay I wasn't sure what the stat was, its not that simple though anything more than 12/18 months is kinda pointless. I agree with the point your making we could do better but I think he is better than you give him credit for and better than most in your list.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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