Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

Ken Shamrock · 06-11-2015 11:03AM

Wenger added: “The only moment of possible happiness, is the present. The past gives regrets. And future uncertainties. Man quickly realised this and created the religion. It forgives him what he has done wrong in the past and tells him not to worry about the future, as you will go to paradise.”

I like this quote. It's just sometimes what Wenger says contradicts what he does or what I perceive him to have done.

efb · 06-11-2015 11:03AM

Serving windswept realness

symbolic · 06-11-2015 11:05AM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

So what's the predictions for Spurs? Line up and result? What does a win/draw/loss mean for us? In your opinion. (Must be no shorter than 50 words, marks will be deducted for spelling and punctuation.)

Arsenal to win. By a couple of goals.

The usual guys ... depending on injuries!! ... I've lost track now of who is back for Sunday. Really looking forward to it. They had some great attacking moves against Bayern. More of that. And less of the other team scoring and all will be well!

What does a win/draw/loss mean for us? 3points/1point/0points

whatever happens, they move on to the next game.

Ken Shamrock · 06-11-2015 11:05AM

ronjo wrote: »

Kos to come in for Gabriel and no other changes.
We will dominate possession and either have a comfortable win after scoring a couple of goals in the first half hour or concede on the counter and huff and puff before Kos pops up with an equaliser.

I will go for first option as I am feeling optimistic.

ETA A confortable win for us shows me we do have enough squad depth to challenge for the title and making next round of champions league is just a bonus.

What about a draw or a loss? What would you take from that?

Ken Shamrock · 06-11-2015 11:06AM

symbolic wrote: »

Arsenal to win. By a couple of goals.

The usual guys ... depending on injuries!! ... I've lost track now of who is back for Sunday. Really looking forward to it. They had some great attacking moves against Bayern. More of that. And less of the other team scoring and all will be well!

What does a win/draw/loss mean for us? 3points/1point/0points whatever happens, they move on to the next game.

What does It mean for you tho?

efb · 06-11-2015 11:07AM

Could end up a score draw or Arsenal by the odd goal

not overly disappointed with a draw

Obv delighted with a win

ronjo · 06-11-2015 11:10AM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

What about a draw or a loss? What would you take from that?

Depends how the game goes.

If we look suspect defensively I will be worried. With Kos back we should be a lot stronger and an extra game should help Debuchy.
If we look like conceding regularly then it shows we are in trouble every time one of the back 5 is out for me.
Hopefully it wont be the case though.

ronjo · 06-11-2015 11:12AM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

What does It mean for you tho?

And how do you answer your own question?

Ken Shamrock · 06-11-2015 11:21AM

ronjo wrote: »

And how do you answer your own question?

Quite similar to you actually, If we win I will be happy, It won't make up for Bayern but It will keep us up there In the league and beating your main rivals with an under strength squad Is always nice.

A draw will be disappointing, certainly wouldn't settle for a draw but at the same time It depends on how the actual game goes.

A loss and It will be sh1te, could start a bad run of form, will give City a chance to open a gap, losing a derby always sucks and will emphasise the lack of squad depth depending on the performance.

I think we should beat them, we're at home, we need to bounce back, some players have something to prove and Spurs aren't looking great so a loss and I won't be happy a win I'll be delighted and draw and I'll be disappointed.

efb · 06-11-2015 11:23AM

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151106/team-news-koscielny-bellerin-arteta

Kos 80%

symbolic · 06-11-2015 11:25AM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

What does It mean for you tho?

Would depend on the what causes the different outcomes. So I could answer after I watch them play. Hopefully after I watch them win.

ronjo · 06-11-2015 11:26AM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Quite similar to you actually, If we win I will be happy, It won't make up for Bayern but It will keep us up there In the league and beating your main rivals with an under strength squad Is always nice.

A draw will be disappointing, certainly wouldn't settle for a draw but at the same time It depends on how the actual game goes.

A loss and It will be sh1te, could start a bad run of form, will give City a chance to open a gap, losing a derby always sucks and will emphasise the lack of squad depth depending on the performance.

I think we should beat them, we're at home, we need to bounce back, some players have something to prove and Spurs aren't looking great so a loss and I won't be happy a win I'll be delighted and draw and I'll be disappointed.

Yeah we cant afford to let City get away especially after we have clawed back so well.

Whoever finishes ahead of City will win the league IMO. I cant see anyone else doing that other than us at the moment, unless United spend another few hundred million in January and it all clicks for them.

Nemeses2050 · 06-11-2015 11:33AM

I would say, anything other than a Win at home is not acceptable...Irrespective of form we always do well against them especially at home...so I'm optimistic of a good result.

Ken Shamrock · 06-11-2015 11:34AM

ronjo wrote: »

Yeah we cant afford to let City get away especially after we have clawed back so well.

Whoever finishes ahead of City will win the league IMO. I cant see anyone else doing that other than us at the moment, unless United spend another few hundred million in January and it all clicks for them.

Yeah It definitely looks like a race between us and City. I honestly though at the start of the year that Chelsea had It wrapped up by my god was I wrong. United will be up there but as you eluded to, they need more. Not sure they could even get what they need In January.

I think It Is true that If City had the injuries we had/have we'd run away with the league, but that Is the case every year, every year we have dozens of injuries and we just never seem to learn our lesson. The squad needs depth and then some more depth but nothing ever seems to get done about It and every year people seem surprised when halve the squad are on the physio table.

Oranage2 · 06-11-2015 11:43AM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Yeah It definitely looks like a race between us and City. I honestly though at the start of the year that Chelsea had It wrapped up by my god was I wrong. United will be up there but as you eluded to, they need more. Not sure they could even get what they need In January.

I think It Is true that If City had the injuries we had/have we'd run away with the league, but that Is the case every year, every year we have dozens of injuries and we just never seem to learn our lesson. The squad needs depth and then some more depth but nothing ever seems to get done about It and every year people seem surprised when halve the squad are on the physio table.

In all fairness city have been missing Aguero and Silva for long periods, our injuries haven't really been major until now.

Irish Aris · 06-11-2015 11:44AM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Quite similar to you actually, If we win I will be happy, It won't make up for Bayern but It will keep us up there In the league and beating your main rivals with an under strength squad Is always nice.

A draw will be disappointing, certainly wouldn't settle for a draw but at the same time It depends on how the actual game goes.

A loss and It will be sh1te, could start a bad run of form, will give City a chance to open a gap, losing a derby always sucks and will emphasise the lack of squad depth depending on the performance.

I think we should beat them, we're at home, we need to bounce back, some players have something to prove and Spurs aren't looking great so a loss and I won't be happy a win I'll be delighted and draw and I'll be disappointed.

pretty much agree with this Ken, except maybe the fact that even with a draw (I am not even discussing the possibility of a defeat), the international break will give time for the time to recover and bounce back for the next 4-5 games before the clash with City.
Looking at their schedule, they also have a handy run of games, so it is important to stay as close (or ideally on par) with them before the derby.

ronjo · 06-11-2015 11:47AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

In all fairness city have been missing Aguero and Silva for long periods, our injuries haven't really been major until now.

Thats true but if you take another 4 midfielders out I wonder how they would fare.

Ken Shamrock · 06-11-2015 11:50AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

In all fairness city have been missing Aguero and Silva for long periods, our injuries haven't really been major until now.

Walcott,Welbeck,Rosicky,Wilshere,Ramsey,Arteta,Bellerin,Kosc,Ospina etc Is a pretty big list, I know nobody Is out for 12 months here but our injuries are consistent, when 2 return another will get injured etc etc. If all we had to worry about was an Injury to Walcott and to Cazorla for example I think we'd fine.

ronjo · 06-11-2015 12:04PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Walcott,Welbeck,Rosicky,Wilshere,Ramsey,Arteta,Bellerin,Kosc,Ospina etc Is a pretty big list, I know nobody Is out for 12 months here but our injuries are consistent, when 2 return another will get injured etc etc. If all we had to worry about was an Injury to Walcott and to Cazorla for example I think we'd fine.

Its crazy that we are up to 2nd on the injury list again.
A few weeks ago we had almost a full squad to pick from.

wawaman · 06-11-2015 12:11PM

ronjo wrote: »

Its crazy that we are up to 2nd on the injury list again.
A few weeks ago we had almost a full squad to pick from.

Its the Arsenal u see !!

ronjo · 06-11-2015 12:13PM

wawaman wrote: »

Its the Arsenal u see !!

Yep, unfortunately it seems to be a conversation we have every year.

We are totally at our limit though so fingers crossed the international break will be enough for a few of them to get back.

JustTheOne · 06-11-2015 12:43PM

ronjo wrote: »

Its crazy that we are up to 2nd on the injury list again.
A few weeks ago we had almost a full squad to pick from.

And people excused us not signing any outfield players in the summer because we had a new fitness coach and no-one was injured!

Arsenal and injuries are one of lifes certainties.

efb · 06-11-2015 01:22PM

We are including a lot of non first team
Players on that list - how many from the first team? 4?

wawaman · 06-11-2015 01:41PM

efb wrote: »

We are including a lot of non first team
Players on that list - how many from the first team? 4?

you have to include them all though because when a regular starter gets injured another guy becomes a starter then!

Gringo180 · 06-11-2015 01:44PM

efb wrote: »

We are including a lot of non first team
Players on that list - how many from the first team? 4?

Wenger himself has said this morning that he is very alarmed at our injury list especially so early in the season. I dread to think what sort of shape we will be in come the clustered xmas period. Every single player that is injured can easily slot into the starting IX without weakening it, plus we have to play the same players every game now until we get some back to fitness. We really are stretched at the minute.

emmetlego · 06-11-2015 02:05PM

The club made a great move bringing in a world renowned fitness guru in Forsyth, and most here thought that it would at least reduce our injuries... What a gob****e I was believing that!!

As for Sunday, a win is a must, and of course, I will be disappointed not to win at home against a mid table team. It could (as some said here) start a dip in form. We don't need that thank you very much. I'm going for a 3-1 win. I expect our attack to be more potent, and I thing Giroud would probably have started this game too ahead of Wallcot, however, derbies being derbies, you can never tell.

To sumarise, I hope we win! :-)

efb · 06-11-2015 02:13PM

Spurs are 5th only 5 points behind us

omega man · 06-11-2015 02:54PM

Merson predicting a 3 nil home win.

I'll be having that.

Soups123 · 06-11-2015 02:56PM

efb wrote: »

We are including a lot of non first team
Players on that list - how many from the first team? 4?

The concept of first team doesnt exist as 1 to 11, all with the exception of Ospina start regularily when fit.

It's a horrendus list of injuries. Atleast 3 were to be expected and we should have been more ruthless with them in the summer 2 of the 3 should have been replaced

Pudders · 06-11-2015 02:56PM

efb wrote: »

Spurs are 5th only 5 points behind us

Spurs are miles behind us and always will be.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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