Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

efb · 05-11-2015 04:08PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Oooh you are awful ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p008tv30

I see Margo Ledbetter as a role model

efb · 05-11-2015 04:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Here's a list:
2015 5-1 Munich
2015 3-1 Monaco
2014 5-1 Liverpool
2014 6-0 Chelsea
2013 6-3 City
2012 4-0 v Milan
2011 8-2 United

Just had a quick look and even Dortmund last year conceded 3 only once in the league despite it being a terrible season for them. Find a club with any kind of respect or pretensions on titles who have had ridiculous results like we have over the last few years. Please.

7 in 5 years isn't awful, except for Liverpool, it's top quality opposition

efb · 05-11-2015 04:11PM

3-1 isn't embarrassing either so 6 in 5

tayto lover · 05-11-2015 04:11PM

efb wrote: »

7 in 5 years isn't awful, except for Liverpool, it's top quality opposition

We were 3 up last year against the mighty Anderlecht at home too and conceded 3 late goals.

efb · 05-11-2015 04:12PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We were 3 up last year against the mighty Anderlecht at home too and conceded 3 late goals.

3-3 is unfortunate not embarrassing imho

wawaman · 05-11-2015 04:12PM

efb wrote: »

7 in 5 years isn't awful, except for Liverpool, it's top quality opposition

People have become so accustomed to mediocrity that those results are classed as not awful. They are terrible results and the most damning indiment i can give from a personal point of view is that i wasnt even annoyed last night i am so used to beatings like this

efb · 05-11-2015 04:13PM

wawaman wrote: »

People have become so accustomed to mediocrity that those results are classed as not awful. They are terrible results and the most damning indiment i can give from a personal point of view is that i wasnt even annoyed last night i am so used to beatings like this

The results (except 3-1) are awful

The frequency isn't alarming though

wonga77 · 05-11-2015 04:13PM

efb wrote: »

7 in 5 years isn't awful, except for Liverpool, it's top quality opposition

Its still too much for the top club we are aspiring to be. Any club can be caught out on the day, our off days seem to be more frequent than id like and more frequent than any of the other clubs mentioned.
When we're good we are excellent, but when we are bad it gets really bad

05-11-2015 04:14PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

The worrying thing is that the Ozil, Sanchez and Koscielny will be looking at that game last night and saying to themselves they'll never win a champions league trophy with Arsenal any time soon. If they do leave the last 4 seasons of building this side is gone out the window, so then the cycle starts again of buying 1 world class player each season.

I don't want to sound too critical as I know we have plenty of injuries but its the manner of these defeats that hurt. Its like when we go a goal down that the players don't have the belief that they can turn it around, especially in big European games.

If we don't push on for the league this year we're gonna struggle big time next summer.

Gringo180 · 05-11-2015 04:14PM

wawaman wrote: »

People have become so accustomed to mediocrity that those results are classed as not awful. They are terrible results and the most damning indiment i can give from a personal point of view is that i wasnt even annoyed last night i am so used to beatings like this

Well said. I remember even playing the top 4 teams a season or so ago and I was delighted that we hadn't conceded in the first 5-10 minutes of the game. Says it all really.

efb · 05-11-2015 04:15PM

wonga77 wrote: »

Its still too much for the top club we are aspiring to be. Any club can be caught out on the day, our off days seem to be more frequent than id like and more frequent than any of the other clubs mentioned.
When we're good we are excellent, but when we are bad it gets really bad

It's our style of play. Who wants to go back to Graham's 1-0 hoofball?

tayto lover · 05-11-2015 04:15PM

wawaman wrote: »

People have become so accustomed to mediocrity that those results are classed as not awful. They are terrible results and the most damning indiment i can give from a personal point of view is that i wasnt even annoyed last night i am so used to beatings like this

it has to change though but I doubt it will. I put it down to lack of training and defensive naivety. Something which should be easily fixed but is still not.

tayto lover · 05-11-2015 04:16PM

efb wrote: »

3-3 is unfortunate not embarrassing imho

Wenger was embarrassed in his interview that night.

05-11-2015 04:16PM

Seriously efb, why answer stuff that's not being asked?

05-11-2015 04:17PM

efb wrote: »

It's our style of play. Who wants to go back to Graham's 1-0 hoofball?

The only alternative. :rolleyes:
In those matches we were terrible. We weren't caught on the break while trying to control the match, we were simply terrible.

Roaster · 05-11-2015 04:18PM

I see all the Gabriel hate and I just can't understand it. It's not so long ago that we hadn't lost a game he was involved in. I feel for him, Debuchy and Campbell. Lads that rarely get a look in but then get called in to play against one of the best (if not the best) offensive team' in the world and are expected to play at an elite level. For a start their match fitness will leave a lot to be desired and I think you could see that in Campbell and Debuchy last night. I like Per as a person but as a top level defender he's finished and I actually think bar Kos when Chambers or Gabriel get a chance they **** themselves because they're playing beside him.

Gringo180 · 05-11-2015 04:19PM

efb wrote: »

It's our style of play. Who wants to go back to Graham's 1-0 hoofball?

Hold on a minute. You can play beautiful football and also be defensively brilliant. Look back to our Premier Lge winning teams. Proper players, all leaders and warriors. A far cry to what we have at the club now.

efb · 05-11-2015 04:20PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Hold on a minute. You can play beautiful football and also be defensively brilliant. Look back to our Premier Lge winning teams. Proper players, all leaders and warriors. A far cry to what we have at the club now.

If we win the league this year, what does that make this lot?

wawaman · 05-11-2015 04:21PM

efb wrote: »

It's our style of play. Who wants to go back to Graham's 1-0 hoofball?

the 91 team wasnt far off any of wengers great teams

efb · 05-11-2015 04:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously efb, why answer stuff that's not being asked?

Example?

efb · 05-11-2015 04:21PM

wawaman wrote: »

the 91 team wasnt far off any of wengers great teams

The football was muck

wawaman · 05-11-2015 04:22PM

efb wrote: »

The football was muck

the team that won the league in 1991 was "muck"?

How easily we forget

Gringo180 · 05-11-2015 04:23PM

efb wrote: »

If we win the league this year, what does that make this lot?

I'll answer that question if we win it. I cant see it personally but hope I am wrong.

05-11-2015 04:27PM

Roaster wrote: »

I see all the Gabriel hate and I just can't understand it. It's not so long ago that we hadn't lost a game he was involved in. I feel for him, Debuchy and Campbell. Lads that rarely get a look in but then get called in to play against one of the best (if not the best) offensive team' in the world and are expected to play at an elite level. For a start their match fitness will leave a lot to be desired and I think you could see that in Campbell and Debuchy last night. I like Per as a person but as a top level defender he's finished and I actually think bar Kos when Chambers or Gabriel get a chance they **** themselves because they're playing beside him.

"All the Gabriel 'hate'" is mainly me but please, I'm happy to debate it. Someone earlier said about digging deeper into the stats so here's last season when we didn't lose with him on the pitch and those team's finishing positions:
Middlesbrough (cup)
Palace (10th)
Everton (11th)
QPR (20th)
Newcastle (15th)
Liverpool (6th)
Reading (cup)
West Brom (13th)

2 clean sheets, Middlesbrough and Everton.

efb · 05-11-2015 04:27PM

wawaman wrote: »

the team that won the league in 1991 was "muck"?

How easily we forget

The football played didn't I say that in my post???

Mickeroo · 05-11-2015 04:27PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I'll answer that question if we win it. I cant see it personally but hope I am wrong.

You could answer it now, it's an entirely hypothetical situation, but I suppose answering it now would probably actually mean having to think about what an utterly ludicrous and meaningless term "proper player" is :-/

efb · 05-11-2015 04:29PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

You could answer it now, it's an entirely hypothetical situation, but I suppose answering it now would probably actually mean having to think about what an utterly ludicrous and meaningless term "proper player" is :-/

I greatly dislike the term- proper

05-11-2015 04:30PM

efb wrote: »

Example?

Saying that for determination we need to be Stoke, letting on that hoofball is the only alternative, that our "style of play" leads to hammerings, obfuscating as if you don't know when the 8-2 was and so on.

Gringo180 · 05-11-2015 04:33PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

You could answer it now, it's an entirely hypothetical situation, but I suppose answering it now would probably actually mean having to think about what an utterly ludicrous and meaningless term "proper player" is :-/

I am merely pointing out that our teams that won titles under Wenger were much much better than this lot we have now, mentally more so as than anything else. They were all winners, this team are weak mentally.

05-11-2015 04:34PM

efb wrote: »

The football played didn't I say that in my post???

We scored more goals that season than we did last season. 74 in 38 matches is 1.95 per game, this season we're on 21 in 11 or 1.91 per game.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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