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Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II **off topic discussion**

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  • #1022
    Harrybelafonte
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Harrybelafonte


    CramCycle wrote: »
    I used to be like that and have ended up with stuff rotting in my shed, I have now come to expect something but to remember that if I will never use it again, something is better than nothing. Whitehall would be good.

    Oh, I know. I'm still finding it difficult to get out of "unemployment" mode, so I'm scabby with all the wrong stuff at the moment.


  • #1023
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Harrybelafonte wrote: »
    Oh, I know. I'm still finding it difficult to get out of "unemployment" mode, so I'm scabby with all the wrong stuff at the moment.

    Took me along time to accept the reality of just because I paid X or I think its worth Y that if I won't use it again and no one will pay X or Y then it's only worth the Z offered.

    Cleaning out my shed over the weekend and the amount of things i found that someone here offered me something for and now its almost worthless is crazy.


  • #1024
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,093 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    Beasty wrote: »
    ..I think people also need to be realistic with pricing...
    +1

    Personally I think that if something is used, regardless of how little, it should be at least half of the new price if not much less. It's ridiculous seeing ads here where a seller is looking for 80% of the new price for a used item.


  • #1025
    AstraMonti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    Personally I think that if something is used, regardless of how little, it should be at least half of the new price if not much less. It's ridiculous seeing ads here where a seller is looking for 80% of the new price for a used item.

    50% is way too little for something almost like new, you are selling stuff, you are not giving them away. I think Lumen had wrote a good breakdown on selling percentage but I can't bother looking it up now :p


  • #1026
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,277 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    AstraMonti wrote: »
    50% is way too little for something almost like new, you are selling stuff, you are not giving them away. I think Lumen had wrote a good breakdown on selling percentage but I can't bother looking it up now :p
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77755114&postcount=2


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  • #1027
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Does not matter if a seller thinks their stuff is worth more. Basics of supply and demand at play here. You'll sell stuff if you price it at a level someone is prepared to pay....


  • #1028
    AstraMonti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    That's only if you are willing to let it go at any price.


  • #1029
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    AstraMonti wrote: »
    That's only if you are willing to let it go at any price.

    Of course you can keep stuff. That then assumes you have a use for it because if you are just holding on in the hope of realising more on it depreciation and other market forces come into play. That's why the old adage is "cash is king". A willing purchaser has it and a willing seller is looking for it.....


  • #1030
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    lennymc wrote: »
    I call dibs on the gold shoes.
    Are you looking for shoes sized 43 double wide or do you just want to melt them down?


  • #1031
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Beasty wrote: »
    Are you looking for shoes sized 43 double wide or do you just want to melt them down?

    It's more for the voodoo ;)


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  • #1032
    helimachoptor
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Myself and Froomey

    Yes someone did ask a doping related question :pac:

    12191806_10153607317089845_8192732763354386635_n.jpg?oh=a83f6d8f4101c3a33184eea63383f37c&oe=56CA40DB


  • #1033
    roverrules
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 331 ✭✭roverrules


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Took me along time to accept the reality of just because I paid X or I think its worth Y that if I won't use it again and no one will pay X or Y then it's only worth the Z offered.

    Cleaning out my shed over the weekend and the amount of things i found that someone here offered me something for and now its almost worthless is crazy.

    Would the bike to work scheme not also deflate prices, after all why pay €800 for a grands worth of 2nd hand kit that a top rate tax payer availing of bike scheme can get for less new?


  • #1034
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Found a clip of Beasty in one of his first track races...

    giphy.gif


  • #1035
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    RobFowl wrote: »
    Found a clip of Beasty in one of his first track races...
    Another lap and I would have had you Rob

    BTW, does wonders for the cadence ....


  • #1036
    daragh_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭daragh_


    Chris Froome will be on Centre Stage at the Web Summit - 12.40pm

    You can watch it here

    https://websummit.net/live?source=FB


  • #1037
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    daragh_ wrote: »
    Chris Froome will be on Centre Stage at the Web Summit - 12.40pm

    You can watch it here

    https://websummit.net/live?source=FB


    I'm sure the internet will break such will the demand be......


  • #1038
    daragh_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭daragh_


    RobFowl wrote: »
    I'm sure the internet will break such will the demand be......

    Froome charisma throttles Intertubes. Shock. Horror.


  • #1039
    AstraMonti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    Is it now allowed to race with disc brakes?


  • #1040
    eeeee
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    RobFowl wrote: »
    <snip>

    giphy.gif

    That is fantastic. Quoting it to make it appear again!
    AstraMonti wrote: »
    Is it now allowed to race with disc brakes?

    At pro tour level they're trialling it, I imagine, and I sincerely hope it'll take ages for it to filter down *has nightmares about disc brakes being jammed on in front*. It's bad enough with rim brakes - it's better fixed with none ;)


  • #1041
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    gadetra wrote: »

    At pro tour level they're trialling it, I imagine, and I sincerely hope it'll take ages for it to filter down *has nightmares about disc brakes being jammed on in front*. It's bad enough with rim brakes - it's better fixed with none ;)

    I really hope it fails, for two reasons, one I think (no proof) close bunches with disc brakes are asking for trouble but more importantly, in various weather conditions, at an amateur level you will have some on rim and some on disc and I am presuming there is an increased risk although I could be wrong with different stopping distances and how immediate that distance is.


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  • #1042
    eeeee
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    CramCycle wrote: »
    I really hope it fails, for two reasons, one I think (no proof) close bunches with disc brakes are asking for trouble but more importantly, in various weather conditions, at an amateur level you will have some on rim and some on disc and I am presuming there is an increased risk although I could be wrong with different stopping distances and how immediate that distance is.

    That's exactly why I hope it doesn't happen. If it does go though, then some sort of rule about everyone on disc brakes or no one in a race should happen, it'd just be too scary otherwise.

    I know some of the pro's (Bernie was the only Sky rider on disc brakes in one race) raced disc's in the predominately rim braked peleton this year and no one died, but there are vast, orders of magnitude of differences between the skills pro's have an us amateurs possess. A mixed race would fill me with even more dread than usual, I don't think I would race in one to be honest, I would be paranoid about avoiding the disc-braked people.


  • #1043
    rollingscone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭rollingscone


    I have mechanical discs on my Croix De Fer and really don't find them that much different from rim brakes, other than not feeling as nice.

    Stopping wise they won't bring you to a halt any faster.


  • #1044
    Harrybelafonte
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Harrybelafonte


    Wait til it rains, then they'll be stopping you faster


  • #1045
    rollingscone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭rollingscone


    Harrybelafonte wrote: »
    Wait til it rains, then they'll be stopping you faster

    Swisstop Greens would stop you in Noah's flood.


  • #1046
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I suppose the other thing is I am a creature of habit, I know how my brakes react in bad weather, while cornering and at speed. Discs are a bit of fear factor for me (as well as a cost factor), I adjust my riding to suit the bike, brakes and gears, maybe discs will be the same but as Gadetra said, I just don't think (it could be fine) it seems safe.


  • #1047
    eeeee
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    rollingscone wrote: »
    Swisstop Greens would stop you in Noah's flood.

    I have swisstop greens. They most certainly won't stop you in a flood! They're great, but not disc good. I have been on one group spin behind someone in the rain with disc brakes and our stopping abilities when the rain came down were immediately apparant. It scared the bejaysus out of me! I imagine it's quite stressful for the disc braked rider too, as they can't use their brakes as they naturally would, they have to underbrake all the time when surrounded by rim brakers.


  • #1048
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    CramCycle wrote: »
    I really hope it fails, for two reasons, one I think (no proof) close bunches with disc brakes are asking for trouble but more importantly, in various weather conditions, at an amateur level you will have some on rim and some on disc and I am presuming there is an increased risk although I could be wrong with different stopping distances and how immediate that distance is.

    If your riding in a group (race or a pretend race sportive) there is huge variability in stopping distance anyhow
    *Variability in brake pad quality and rim choice
    *Variability in brake set up/cable maintenance
    *Variability in rider's ability to read road/knowledge of road and possible danger points
    *Whether rider keep rims clear of water in wet weather or not

    All the above will effect reaction time and /or braking time which we have just got used to.

    Like it or not disc brakes are here to stay, primarily to force new sales but that's a whole other discussion:)


  • #1049
    lennymc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,387 ✭✭✭lennymc


    I've had swissstop greens result in the back of the bike lifting under hard braking in the wet.

    My main worry with discs is that there will be panic braking in a big bunch taking down half of the bunch with them. Wet carbon rims wont stand a chance of stopping in comparison to a disc.


  • #1050
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    ford2600 wrote: »
    If your riding in a group (race or a pretend race sportive) there is huge variability in stopping distance anyhow

    I thought that as soon as I said it, I have seen racers who struggle to stop at all as they haven't set up their brakes properly.

    Suppose, my hidden concern, is they become a requirement and in 2 years, if I want to race, I have to get a disc brake bike, this would kill me off from competing and many others who just don't have the funds for such things.


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  • #1051
    AstraMonti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    I really doubt it will be a requirement to enter a race for at least the next 5-7 years. People are still racing with downtube gear shifting, and these things are more dangerous than disc breaking.


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