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Web Summit quits Dublin

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  • #332
    MrMorooka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭MrMorooka


    Red Kev wrote: »
    ...



    The thing is, apparently the likes of Lisbon were willing to do all this legwork and absorb the cost. That's a very attractive offer and you can't blame someone for taking it.


  • #333
    Mal-Adjusted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    Is there any link to the Matt cooper interview?


  • #334
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Dublin has a disasterous public transport system compared to Lisbon and EVERY other decent size European city. They all have complex underground rail system while governments here only release plans and reports and then do nothing.

    This is the 'buses are good enough for Dublin' bull**** mantra coming back to haunt the city. Bus based cities will always have chronic traffic management issues. Put the commuters under the city centre and - the streets above are freed up of millions of commuters.

    This is just the start. Dublin will continue to fall behind the rest of the world without even a basic underground rail system. The DART Underground would have been a fantastic start, but alas we have morons in power in this rustic backwater and they want to keep the entire country at the level of the the rualist GAA county colours denominator.

    In years to come the cancelling of DART Underground will seen as the catastrophe it is. The disaster is already unfolding in real time.

    Delegates want to get on an underground train at an airport and go direct to the conference centres. Like they do EVERYWHERE else.

    This is what happens when you get rural, or small town provincial publicans, bookies, dodgy realtors and school masters for politicians and senior civil servants. You get nothing, because future vision is not their thing. Just their pensions and move back to Roscommon


  • #335
    Bio Mech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭Bio Mech


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Dublin has a disasterous public transport system compared to Lisbon and EVERY other decent size European city. They all have complex underground rail system while governments here only release plans and reports and then do nothing.

    This is the 'buses are good enough for Dublin' bull**** mantra coming back to haunt the city. Bus based cities will always have chronic traffic management issues. Put the commuters under the city centre and - the streets above are freed up of millions of commuters.

    This is just the start. Dublin will continue to fall behind the rest of the world without even a basic underground rail system. The DART Underground would have been a fantastic start, but alas we have morons in power in this rustic backwater and they want to keep the entire country at the level of the the rualist GAA county colours denominator.

    In years to come the cancelling of DART Underground will seen as the catastrophe it is. The disaster is already unfolding in real time.

    Delegates want to get on an underground train at an airport and go direct to the conference centres. Like they do EVERYWHERE else.

    This is what happens when you get rural, or small town provincial publicans, bookies, dodgy realtors and school masters for politicians. You get nothing, because future vision is not their thing. Just their pensions.

    Nonsense. There are far more "decent" sized European cites that have no underground rail link to their airports than those that do. Quite a diatribe though.


  • #336
    Red Kev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    MrMorooka wrote: »
    The thing is, apparently the likes of Lisbon were willing to do all this legwork and absorb the cost. That's a very attractive offer and you can't blame someone for taking it.


    If you're organising a summit with 30000 attendees this is a very minor part of it.

    It honestly looks like he wanted out of Dublin for financial reasons and picked up on any small thing to get out of it.

    Most of the things on his list costa few thousand, nothing compared to the income he's making. It's a bit more than just getting the city to organise it. The events management crowd that he got in should be doing that in their sleep.

    An earlier poster said he got a €400,000 system in for the internet and communications when he should have spent nearer to €1,000,000.

    If he's skimping on the most vital part of the show then there's something seriously wrong.


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  • #337
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Gareth Keenan wrote: »
    Hotels



    Public transport

    Leap card should be given to attendees, I got a public transport pass for Copenhagen at VMWorld a few years back, and again for Barcelona at a Microsoft event. Dublin Bus/Irish Rail would be more than happy to accommodate a branded card I'm sure

    Who pays?


  • #338
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,122 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    He repeated in his emails that he "wasn't looking for a penny".

    Thats a bit disingenuous of him, he may not have wanted the government to throw money at him but he wanted various organisations and public bodies to give him things for free.


  • #339
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,122 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Who pays?

    Web Summit should pay. They should negotiate a discounted rate with Transport for Ireland.


  • #340
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Bio Mech wrote: »
    Nonsense. There are far more "decent" sized European cites that have no underground rail link to their airports than those that do. Quite a diatribe though.

    That's not true. Not true at all in 2015.

    You are a classic example why this country is heading in the wrong direction.


  • #341
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    awec wrote: »
    Web Summit should pay. They should negotiate a discounted rate with Transport for Ireland.

    Exactly. But that eejit wanted it coming out of the state coffers.


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  • #342
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Red Kev wrote: »
    If he's skimping on the most vital part of the show then there's something seriously wrong.

    The fact that there was no web at the web summit was a running joke and a clear indication that it wasn't being managed correctly. Between that, the bad press he's got from startups and the bad rep he's got for how he treats his volunteers, I'm honestly surprised he has a projected forecast of 30k attendees.


  • #343
    Eoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,273 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Delegates want to get on an underground train at an airport and go direct to the conference centres. Like they do EVERYWHERE else.

    But that's not the case everywhere else. Because of their size, the centres often in the outskirts of the city, if not even further out - and you've to get a shuttle or taxi just like here.


  • #344
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,498 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    At the prices Paddy is charging for tickets surely he could've thrown in a Leap Card with €20 credit with each one. But of course he'd prefer the taxpayer to pick up the tab.


  • #345
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    If this thing is in Lisbon for a number of years does that mean we won't hear about it again? Fingers crossed.


  • #346
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Is this guy for real? The pharm sector accounts for one of our biggest exports in Ireland and Ireland is one of the biggest exporters of pharmaceuticals in Europe. It employs huge amounts of our third level graduates and is worth billions.

    One of the guys who funded a lab I used to be a PhD in started three biotech companies, invested heavily in UCD and the Irish economy. He also helps organise the grad fair. He says the government bend over backwards for him and really go out of their way to make things run smoothly. This web summit guy seems to have delusions of grandeur. 100 million really isn't that much in terms of the fast growing Irish economy and he should learn his place in the pecking order.

    The guys who run places like Grange Castle (pharm plant) don't ask for nearly as much as this guy and they give back several orders of magnitude back into the economy.


  • #347
    grundie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭grundie


    MrMorooka wrote: »
    The thing is, apparently the likes of Lisbon were willing to do all this legwork and absorb the cost. That's a very attractive offer and you can't blame someone for taking it.

    A lot of European cities have invested in big exhibitions venues over the last few decades. These are expensive to build and maintain and there isn't enough business to go round. Birmingham City Council sold the NEC because it wasn't making a big enough profit to help pay off their debts.

    The only way to fill these spaces is to subsidise them, Lisbon needed the business so gave in to Paddy Cosgraves demands. Dublin didn't need the the business as much.

    The RDS is a great venue for its size. It can handle 30,000 people per day. It has a great selection of halls from old to new, its got a stadium, concert hall, animal handling facilities, close to public parks and its in the middle of all the important embassies. Plus its close to the city centre with plenty of pubs, restaurants and cultural stuff nearby.

    Dublin can go after the events that fit in the RDS or convention centre and make them extra special. Let the rest of Europe go after the huge events that need to be subsidised.


  • #348
    Gareth Keenan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Gareth Keenan


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Who pays?


    Websummit does, sorry, I wasn't clear. Up to them if they are be able to negotiate a discount. I see tourist Leap cards advertised in the airport for €19.50 for 3 days. If you buy 30,000 of them you might get a few quid knocked off :cool:

    I wouldn't want to be behind you in the airport Spar while you are buying them mind...


  • #349
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    But grundie, 30,000 people over a few days is not a big event.


  • #350
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    grundie wrote: »
    A lot of European cities have invested in big exhibitions venues over the last few decades. These are expensive to build and maintain and there isn't enough business to go round. Birmingham City Council sold the NEC because it wasn't making a big enough profit to help pay off their debts.

    The only way to fill these spaces is to subsidise them, Lisbon needed the business so gave in to Paddy Cosgraves demands. Dublin didn't need the the business as much.

    The RDS is a great venue for its size. It can handle 30,000 people per day. It has a great selection of halls from old to new, its got a stadium, concert hall, animal handling facilities, close to public parks and its in the middle of all the important embassies. Plus its close to the city centre with plenty of pubs, restaurants and cultural stuff nearby.

    Dublin can go after the events that fit in the RDS or convention centre and make them extra special. Let the rest of Europe go after the huge events that need to be subsidised.

    There's subsidising and then there's closing off streets for private pub crawls, asking for armed escorts and directly requesting the leader of a country do something about hotel prices for you.


  • #351
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    smash wrote: »
    But grundie, 30,000 people over a few days is not a big event.


    Endas office said it was worth €108m to the economy per year, over 10 years it would have generated over €1bn. Its wrong to say its not a big event, it is one of the biggest of its kind


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  • #352
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Endas office said it was worth €108m to the economy per year, over 10 years it would have generated over €1bn. Its wrong to say its not a big event, it is one of the biggest of its kind

    1 billion over ten is nothing relative to other contributors to the Irish economy especially considering the trouble this guy's causing. As I said the pharm industry make major contributions here and don't ask for nearly as much in return.


  • #353
    grundie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭grundie


    smash wrote: »
    But grundie, 30,000 people over a few days is not a big event.

    I know, but for every extra thousand attendees we have to add more hotel rooms, more buses/taxis and the roads get a bit more clogged.

    Instead of building more capacity and incurring debts to allow for bigger conferences that may not come, we should instead make the most of what we've got.


  • #354
    MrMorooka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭MrMorooka


    Eoin wrote: »
    But that's not the case everywhere else. Because of their size, the centres often in the outskirts of the city, if not even further out - and you've to get a shuttle or taxi just like here.

    Well, in fairness, the Lisbon venue is two stops on a metro from the airport.


  • #355
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    awec wrote: »
    He repeated in his emails that he "wasn't looking for a penny".

    Thats a bit disingenuous of him, he may not have wanted the government to throw money at him but he wanted various organisations and public bodies to give him things for free.

    It's not so much disingenuous as a total lie. According to the latest Phoenix they've received over €900k from various state bodies such as the IDA, Science Ireland, Dublin Tourism etc. Is there any fundamental difference between this event and an Amway conference or overseas property exhibition from 2006? I just see a bunch of naive kids too young to remember 1997-2000 convinced they're going to make an overnight fortune.


  • #356
    Tobyglen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 719 ✭✭✭Tobyglen


    All this guy wants is more marketing and free advertising for his company and he's got it.
    He seems a very unlikeable guy-expecting people to work for him for free or on low wages and treating them poorly.


    The Web summit isn't looked at favorably at all by many people who have attended. Quick google shows this

    http://tech.eu/features/6203/no-web-summit-for-me/

    I hope someone copycats what he did because he's really only an events organiser and it add something to the economy-mostly hospitality.


  • #357
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Endas office said it was worth €108m to the economy per year, over 10 years it would have generated over €1bn. Its wrong to say its not a big event, it is one of the biggest of its kind

    That's only if there's an average spend of €3,600 per attendee which I assume there isn't, unless you factor in the costs of a web summit ticket, which doesn't go in to the Irish economy, it mostly goes in to Paddy's pocket.


  • #358
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Endas office said it was worth €108m to the economy per year, over 10 years it would have generated over €1bn. Its wrong to say its not a big event, it is one of the biggest of its kind

    I would imagine someone picked that number out of his you-know-what! ;)


  • #359
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    I don't know much about the web summit but reading this thread and reading/listening to the various media commentary over the last couple of days on the subject is like two completely and totally separate events!


  • #360
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    SeaFields wrote: »
    I don't know much about the web summit but reading this thread and reading/listening to the various media commentary over the last couple of days on the subject is like two completely and totally separate events!

    I have already made that observation! Paddy seems to have some sympathy from certain sections of the media - but not too many, from what I see.

    You should have a peep at politics.ie! Especially post 216!! Sorry, Boards!! ;)

    Some seem to think there is a good reason the government is keeping Cosgrave at arm's
    length. Pat Kenny tore strips off Adrian Weckler on Newstalk today.


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  • #361
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    This sounds just like one of them Life coach scam jobs...


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