Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015

bangkok · 08-10-2015 01:40PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Been a while if ever since there's been 5 world class managers in the PL, going to get very competitive

Will be interesting to see how long it takes Klopp to implement his philosophy considering Van Gaal seems to still be doing so, if he hits the ground running there will be a few eyebrows raised

5 world class managers? who would you class as world class in premier league? I would have said there are probably only 5 world class managers in the world full stop

Julez · 08-10-2015 01:52PM

So we're going to have a conversation about how you define a world class manager... this should be fun. :rolleyes:

bangkok · 08-10-2015 01:58PM

Julez wrote: »

So we're going to have a conversation about how you define a world class manager... this should be fun. :rolleyes:

Alex Ferguson was world class. That's where the bar is at. Only Mourinho comes close in the premier league imo

08-10-2015 02:06PM

bangkok wrote: »

Alex Ferguson was world class. That's where the bar is at. Only Mourinho comes close in the premier league imo

So to be world class you have to be at the level of possibly the best British manager ever. Seems fair.

Harry Palmr · 08-10-2015 02:09PM

This is a bit harsh!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/08/victor-valdes-locker-manchester-united-louis-van-gaal

posturingpat · 08-10-2015 02:11PM

Liam O wrote: »

So to be world class you have to be at the level of possibly the best British manager ever. Seems fair.

Well it is the term world class for a reason. Not ludicrous to expect the selection criteria to be a little strict?

bangkok · 08-10-2015 02:16PM

Liam O wrote: »

So to be world class you have to be at the level of possibly the best British manager ever. Seems fair.

just curious to know who he thinks is world class.

Pep Guardiola
Jose Mourinho
Carlo Anchelotti
Ottmar Hitzfeld Retired
Alex Ferguson Retired
Marcello Lippi Retired

I just added the bottom 3 as they are recently retired

All the above are world class.

bucketybuck · 08-10-2015 02:16PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is a bit harsh!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/08/victor-valdes-locker-manchester-united-louis-van-gaal

Thats some man management right there.

Very petty indeed.

loyatemu · 08-10-2015 02:19PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Thats some man management right there.

Very petty indeed.

like this portrayal of him in the Spanish Spitting Image:

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2015/10/8/1444305493800/bricks-007.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&

homerjay2005 · 08-10-2015 02:40PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is a bit harsh!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/08/victor-valdes-locker-manchester-united-louis-van-gaal

extremely petty.

LVG really does come across very poorly at times.

Rayne Wooney · 08-10-2015 02:43PM

bangkok wrote: »

just curious to know who he thinks is world class.

Pep Guardiola
Jose Mourinho
Carlo Anchelotti
Ottmar Hitzfeld Retired
Alex Ferguson Retired
Marcello Lippi Retired

I just added the bottom 3 as they are recently retired

All the above are world class.

That kind of logic would mean Ronaldo and Messi are the only world class players, is that your take on it?

You're entitled to that definition but it should be consistent

DARK-KNIGHT · 08-10-2015 02:45PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is a bit harsh!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/08/victor-valdes-locker-manchester-united-louis-van-gaal

Wonder what players will snub us at some stage due to lvg being like that.

Valdes does not deserve that treatment

08-10-2015 02:45PM

Actually wait a second, wasn't it bangkok saying yesterday that Steve McClaren had managed on the highest level? But to be world class you have to be at Fergie's level? No contradiction there

StringerBell · 08-10-2015 02:47PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Thats some man management right there.

Very petty indeed.

Why petty?

He is not part of the squad so why would he be training with the squad, he is still being allowed train and the club are honouring his contract. People trying to be up in arms about nothing really.... did get a chuckle from this part

left them with a clear impression that the Dutchman can be every bit as uncompromising as Sir Alex Ferguson when he falls out with members of his squad.

bangkok · 08-10-2015 02:50PM

Liam O wrote: »

Actually wait a second, wasn't it bangkok saying yesterday that Steve McClaren had managed on the highest level? But to be world class you have to be at Fergie's level? No contradiction there

premier league and champions league is highest level yes, but of course you don't need to be world class to manage in it.

Yes Steve McLaren has managed at the highest level, managing England, it doesn't get much bigger than that, but he wasn't a world class manager, neither is Roy Hodgson

UnitedIrishman · 08-10-2015 03:08PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Wonder what players will snub us at some stage due to lvg being like that.

Valdes does not deserve that treatment

Did something similar with Robert Enke at Barcelona IIRC. Basically forced him to play with the reserves and didn't speak to him after a loss in the cup.

54and56 · 08-10-2015 03:39PM

bangkok wrote: »

premier league and champions league is highest level yes, but of course you don't need to be world class to manage in it.

Yes Steve McLaren has managed at the highest level, managing England, it doesn't get much bigger than that, but he wasn't a world class manager, neither is Roy Hodgson

There are 78 teams in the top 4 leagues (England, Spain, Germany & France). If you add in the top ten international team managers and perhaps a few managers on sabbatical (Ancelotti, big Sam and Rogers - yes I know I know but he was LMA manager of the year 18 months ago so technically qualifies) you have about 100 elite managers in the world. Out of that maybe the top 10 should be defined as "World Class". That Doesn't mean they are the greatest ever or up there with Ferguson or Shankly because none of them have hit those heights but you can only be World Class relative to all others currently in the class hence the cream of the current crop have to be defined as being the current "World Class" managers.

Top 10 for me (in no particular order) would be:-

1. Guardiola
2. Enqique
3. Benitez
4. Klopp
5. Ancelotti
6. Mourinho
7. LVG
8. Wegner
9. Simeone
10. Löw

TheDoc · 08-10-2015 03:44PM

Always interesting to see Conte rarely features in peoples lists of top managers working at present.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 08-10-2015 03:45PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

There are 78 teams in the top 4 leagues (England, Spain, Germany & France). If you add in the top ten international team managers and perhaps a few managers on sabbatical (Ancelotti, big Sam and Rogers - yes I know I know but he was LMA manager of the year 18 months ago so technically qualifies) you have about 100 elite managers in the world. Out of that maybe the top 10 should be defined as "World Class". That Doesn't mean they are the greatest ever or up there with Ferguson or Shankly because none of them have hit those heights but you can only be World Class relative to all others currently in the class hence the cream of the current crop have to be defined as being the current "World Class" managers.

Top 10 for me (in no particular order) would be:-

1. Guardiola
2. Enqique
3. Benitez
4. Klopp
5. Ancelotti
6. Mourinho
7. LVG
8. Wegner
9. Simeone
10. Löw

Would Prob have Del Bosque instead of Benitez myself but cant fault the rest

pmasterson95 · 08-10-2015 03:56PM

Oooh the horror as unwanted player is unwanted.

08-10-2015 04:03PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

There are 78 teams in the top 4 leagues (England, Spain, Germany & France). If you add in the top ten international team managers and perhaps a few managers on sabbatical (Ancelotti, big Sam and Rogers - yes I know I know but he was LMA manager of the year 18 months ago so technically qualifies) you have about 100 elite managers in the world. Out of that maybe the top 10 should be defined as "World Class". That Doesn't mean they are the greatest ever or up there with Ferguson or Shankly because none of them have hit those heights but you can only be World Class relative to all others currently in the class hence the cream of the current crop have to be defined as being the current "World Class" managers.

Top 10 for me (in no particular order) would be:-

1. Guardiola
2. Enqique
3. Benitez
4. Klopp
5. Ancelotti
6. Mourinho
7. LVG
8. Wegner
9. Simeone
10. Löw

Is this some sort of joke list?

Your Airbag · 08-10-2015 04:22PM

We don't know whats going on behind the scenes with VV & LVG. VV could be a bad apple, complaining and slating LVG to players. VV should get himself another club in January. Its best for everyone.

da gamer · 08-10-2015 04:23PM

StringerBell wrote: »

should he be in the running for the next United manager?

Why is it when Giggs is discussed as a future utd manager people here come up with a random name and ask should that person be considered as the next manager? The question isnt SHOULD Mike phelan, Brian kidd or whoever be considered, it's do you really think any of them WILL be considered for the position? If thrre is no intention of them becoming manager why bother asking should they be considered? Do you think utd SHOULD consider buying messi? It doesn't matter really because it's not going to happen

StringerBell · 08-10-2015 04:33PM

da gamer wrote: »

Why is it when Giggs is discussed as a future utd manager people here come up with a random name and ask should that person be considered as the next manager? The question isnt SHOULD Mike phelan, Brian kidd or whoever be considered, it's do you really think any of them WILL be considered for the position? If thrre is no intention of them becoming manager why bother asking should they be considered? Do you think utd SHOULD consider buying messi? It doesn't matter really because it's not going to happen

A random name?

I'm not sure you read the post, or any of the others that have already addressed your issue.

You have gone on to a different tangent with this one anyway so probably best to leave it at that is it?

I stand by my original comment, your original statement that I responded to was quite a leap. Quite a big one.

da gamer · 08-10-2015 04:41PM

StringerBell wrote: »

A random name?

I'm not sure you read the post, or any of the others that have already addressed your issue.

You have gone on to a different tangent with this one anyway so probably best to leave it at that is it?

I stand by my original comment, your original statement that I responded to was quite a leap. Quite a big one.

Tell me, in any job, how many positions are you 'leaping over' if you go from assistant manager to manager?

Fellaindinho · 08-10-2015 04:45PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

extremely petty.

LVG really does come across very poorly at times.

I doubt he really cares about how he comes across to people who don't know the full story.
I'm sure he stands by his reasons.
Bit of a sensationalist non story.

homerjay2005 · 08-10-2015 04:50PM

Fellaindinho wrote: »

I doubt he really cares about how he comes across to people who don't know the full story.
I'm sure he stands by his reasons.
Bit of a sensationalist non story.

Im sure players signing for the club will care though or should i say players who the club wants to sign.

LVG while he appeals i am sure to many players, wouldnt exactly be the top of the list for several players after the Valdes incident no matter who is right or wrong.

StringerBell · 08-10-2015 05:09PM

da gamer wrote: »

Tell me, in any job, how many positions are you 'leaping over' if you go from assistant manager to manager?

Nope, that's not what I said nor what you said and I refuse to be dragged off into a different tangent with you.

54and56 · 08-10-2015 05:11PM

Liam O wrote: »

Is this some sort of joke list?

Is this a rhetorical joke?

loyatemu · 08-10-2015 05:15PM

SAF could be fearsome, but did he ever freeze out a player like this? Keane was effectively sacked when their relationship broke down but he knew it was coming... Stam was sold...

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015

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