qw cheaters

about the proxies thing,
if you use the proxy to START the quakeworld client, the proxy can check the qwcl.exe file byte for byte, so you cant use hacked exe's without first hacking the proxy
which is harder than "hacking" quake3.exe or untournament.exe, because its packed .. you have to disassemble qizmo before you can hack it

Firstly, Steven. Im not going overboard, im stating an opinion. You dont have to read it and you dont have to like it. I dont hate all qw players or anything. I just think the game is *old* (no disputing that)

Slosh, no need to get p!ssed off, i wasnt promoting q3 more than any other new game for a start, also note that you *dont have to read my posts*. Newbies who stick with QW, *in my opinion*, have useless puters that wont run new games, have no new games, or like being hopelessly trounced. Even if i liked the game i wouldnt stay with it long enough to develop the nessecary skills because it is inevitably going to die. *In my opinion* QWers dont want to move on because it means starting from the beginning again developing new skills.

I have no idea whether bunny is joking or not so im not going to reply My first response is *SARCASM* but then i thought, am i really being cynical enough?

HK is *BITTER*. He understands sarcasm well enough, but has no firm grip on the concept of 3d acceleration, high res graphics, lots of polygons and variation. The keys etc are not the problem with qw, its what happens when you press the keys, and what you get on the screen. Maybe this concept is new to you What i said about qw being competitive which koopa agreed with, i note, is true *in my opinion*. Also, to add to what i had to say to slosh, the other reason ppl dont want to move on is that their puters arent good enough. I meant it had gone too far when u exchange graphics for gameplay, when its playable on your puter. Turning down the res is ok, but turning off textures for an extra 10 fps is OTT, *in my opinion*. And when the graphics stop being graphics and start being representative icons, then the game has turned into a competition. Futuristic weaponry? Its a *game*. Its *fiction*. And the railgun was the best new weapon in a quake game ever.
Playing a game? Watching a film? Bullsh!t.

Overord starts by saying he agrees with HK, and then goes on to contradict him And btw, you cant turn the res down or the textures off when playing football. Theres no packet loss or bad connections. The speed of your computer doesnt matter a toss.

Castor - Half-Life was a Q1 engine, SIN was a Q2 engine.

Madyoke, thats grand, but understand, and Slosh would stress this if it wasnt for the fact that you agree with him, that is *your opinion* (i knew there was something missing from every post so far ). Dont try to force qw on others, and dont complain just because its heyday is over.

Koopa in advertently agrees with me...
Im not going to argue the technical thing, because i know fu<k all about it

Quozl - i agree with you about id releasing the code. But do you not think that maybe if you had started playing q2 or tribes, or started later with q3 or ut, it might have given you the same kick? Plus you wouldnt have been raped all the time.

Thatll do for now

Dont reply all at once.

Asuka

Well if you take that view, then Quake 2 was only a modified Quake 1 engine

wasnt this post about qw cheating and not a poxy gimicky game called half life?

tbh was gonna stay outa this one, but how about a comp to see how far the server can be fooled ?

Shinji vs Koopa round 1

Koopa must program a checksum to stop hackers
Shinji must program a hack which beats koopas unknown checksum...

Go for it lads..

This arguement has got to be better than QW anydays

there is another bit, if someone types "f_server" on the server, your qizmo has to reply with a series of letters, its some sort of checksum.. breaking that would need you to have disassembled qizmo fully in the first place
example replies to f_server are:
d83f39cf -> 09f1db3b
where EVERYONE on that particular server should respond with the same output, so its fairly easy to see if someones using a hack (it was originally meant to be a form of proxy-aimbot detection)

a lot more effort than hacking any of the quake/2/3 exe's no?

"Mull that one over" - i think ive answered that question

[This message has been edited by Koopa (edited 04-01-2000).]

Koopa m8, you wouldn't need to touch the Qizmo source code, or unpack it or anything. All you need to know is what responses it sends to the server... Or how to confuse its checksum, not a difficult thing at all. After all, how often does it check qwcl.exe for being ok? Once only at startup, I'll wager. So how difficult to write a program that replaces a chunk of the EXE halfway through? Not difficult at all, if you know what you're doing...