DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

05-10-2015 07:23PM

I have a quick question, back to food again.

Can some of the ladies give me an example of what they've eaten today, or what they would have eaten if they were running six miles?

I just want to see how far off I was

Toulouse · 05-10-2015 07:23PM

FBOT01 wrote: »

All sounds pretty normal after 2 weeks in a row with good solid +20 miles LSRs in the bag. Make sure you go back to plan this week and allow the legs to recovery properly

Promise!

Toulouse · 05-10-2015 07:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have a quick question, back to food again.

Can some of the ladies give me an example of what they've eaten today, or what they would have eaten if they were running six miles?

I just want to see how far off I was

I had 40g portion of porridge made with half skimmed milk, half water and a banana.

Lunch was 2 quorn sausies with puy lentils in tomato sauce.

I had 5 prunes pre-run and 100ml MooJu (was leftover from Saturday) and 5 olives when I got back.

Dinner was battered haddock, spinach and a scrambled egg.

Just had a cereal bar with a cup of tea and that's me done.

I ran 5 miles. Hope that helps!

jake1970 · 05-10-2015 07:29PM

First day of taper and i get the dreaded manflu:(.

Toulouse wrote: »

Yeah, Boards is being an absolute pita the last few days. Whole pages disappearing and reappearing when using Safari but seems okay when using Firefox.

I am having the same problem with boards and im using Firefox

Toulouse · 05-10-2015 07:41PM

jake1970 wrote: »

First day of taper and i get the dreaded manflu:(.

I am having the same problem with boards and im using Firefox

Hmm, I only tried it for a short while so it could just have decided to behave at that time!

Sorry to hear about the manflu but better now than in a couple of weeks!

Dubgal72 · 05-10-2015 08:20PM

Yup boards is glitching on and off now since Wednesday for me. Only got the 'service not available' page five times :rolleyes: luckily not for long each time. Makes catching up quite unpredictable.....

unaaine · 05-10-2015 08:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have a quick question, back to food again.

Can some of the ladies give me an example of what they've eaten today, or what they would have eaten if they were running six miles?

I just want to see how far off I was

Don't really change what I eat if running or not running that eve. Just generally try to eat as healthily as possible. Meal times can be irregular in our house and as I generally eat the same as the kids & b/f it depends on what's on the menu that day and what time. I also don't eat for 3 hours before running as if it's too near I can get a stitch or I feel 'heavy' or sluggish. If I run early in the morn I don't eat beforehand but might take a gel - depending on tiredness levels. For me I find that dinner from the previous night provides enough energy for up to a 10km run early the following morning. The exception is the LSRs - I always have breakfast 3 hours before these.

Swam this eve but if I was running, I think the food would've been the same. Breakfast was muesli with milk, coffee, wholemeal toast with honey and freshly squeezed OJ. Lunch was veggie panini and tea. Had tea & a slice of wholemeal toast w/peanut butter at 4pm with 6.30pm swim in mind. Then post swim was an apple, chocolate milk, wholemeal pasta & homemade tomato sauce with cheese. And 1/2 litre of water. Probably not the most balanced menu but it was all that was on offer chez moi today.

Emsy 1 · 05-10-2015 08:41PM

Yep boards playing up for me also unfortunately.

My meals don't really change either if I am running or not, unless I have lsr then I will usually have a pasta dish the evening before. Today I had 2 weetabix and one slice of wholewheat toast. At 12ish I had a small roll with banana another small roll with ham and tea and curly wurly at 3pm. Dinner was chicken casserole. Coffee and 2 jaffa cakes at 7pm. I was starving today could easily raid the presses now, hubby is having a crisp sambao here my mouths watering.

05-10-2015 08:46PM

I think my biggest problem is the days I'm running, I just don't have time to run and to eat. I know that sounds ridiculous, but I'm so bloody busy. I was out the door just before 7 this morning and it was 8.15pm before I managed to sit down. Because I ate so late this morning (And had a huge brekkie), I wasn't hungry at lunch so had something tiny. I did have a snack in the afternoon but dinner wasn't great either by the time I got it. I went and made some eggs and a slice of toast a while ago just because I know I should be eating more.

I do eat more on non running days, but not much more.

Sure I'll just keep trying.

Toulouse · 05-10-2015 09:17PM

I try to get as organised as I can like batch cooking lunch at the weekend and portioning it up so I can throw it in the microwave and eat at my desk. Same goes for breakfast!

Dinner is something that I know I can leave in the oven while I do other things.

You'll get there!

This Fat Girl Runs · 05-10-2015 09:26PM

Toulouse wrote:

I try to get as organised as I can like batch cooking lunch at the weekend and portioning it up so I can throw it in the microwave and eat at my desk. Same goes for breakfast!

+1! My slow cooker is my best friend for this. I can get a weeks worth of lunches done on a Sunday afternoon with it. Lots of healthy, yummy recipes I can make then freeze.

Dubgal72 · 05-10-2015 09:36PM

diego_b wrote: »

5 miles done this morning, first proper run since Tuesday so at least that was something.
Knee felt 3/10 on the pain scale starting off. Eased after about 2 miles and pretty much held like that into the 5th mile where I could feel it a bit more. Had turned for home then anyways so stopped then as the watch hit 5 miles. Not willing to risk or push things with this at the moment so it'll be onto the bike over the weekend and then try 5 miles on Tuesday. The stride adjustments take a bit more effort so we'll see how that goes on the day, I have started to accept that there may be a bit of walking involved now but I really do no want a DNS for this!! Oddly for now it feels easier to run at mp range than easy pace range for the stride. My cadence is generally 180 and given that I cannot reduce that it seems with the higher knees/longer stride it's easier to go faster than slower.

Avg pace was 9:49 but the middle 3 miles were all around 9:30min/mi.

Hi diego, you still on for a run tomorrow? Best of luck with it and hope it goes well! When are you back to physio?

Dubgal72 · 05-10-2015 09:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have a quick question, back to food again.

Can some of the ladies give me an example of what they've eaten today, or what they would have eaten if they were running six miles?

I just want to see how far off I was

I know it can be difficult striking a balance.
Preparation is good....but it's finding the time to prepare :rolleyes: I find eggs are great, quick, easy and fill you up after a long run. Another five minute prep and five minute cook job is what we call in ours a 'wrap pizza':
- tortilla wrap
- spoonful of tomato puree, glug of olive oil and sprinkle of basil
- grated parmesan or parmigiano
- shredded mozzarella
- more herbs
- and whatever else you want to top it with, broccoli, corn etc
Pop on a tray in the oven and voila, ready in 5

For out and about, I always carry water and a little pot of mixed nuts and raisins. Try not to let yourself get absolutely starving (hence emergency nuts) but at the same time listen to your body. If it's telling you it's hungry, go for it but if you're not feeling particularly hungry, don't...after you've ruled the usual stress/illness/etc factors out.

I ran five miles tonight, for breakfast I had coffee and a bagel with peanut butter, lunch was...hmmmm *thinks* crackers, cheese and fruit. Dinner was pizza wrap as above with home made chips. More pizza after the run, nuts, raisins and a banana. Snacks were fruit, chocolate and I'm sure there was more stuff today cos that doesn't sound like a lot.....

Dubgal72 · 05-10-2015 09:52PM

BobDylan wrote: »

Had to abort my lsr this morning at 16 miles. Was running along without a bother, full of the joys, when suddenly my calf popped. First injury this year after running almost 800 miles! Just hoping now it's something minor and a physio visit will sort it out.

Ouch! Any news BobDylan?

Dubgal72 · 05-10-2015 09:59PM

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

Finally made it to the physio today. Said my problems with my knee are IT band problems. Gave a massage (sore) and some strengthening stretches to do. I am due a 20mile run tomorrow but he advised against it. He advised doing about 10-12km tomorrow and attempt 20mile next week and then start the taper. Going to him again midweek after I try some more runs so hopefully my knee will have improved.

Hi wolfyboy, how did the run go yesterday? 20 miles two weeks out might be a bit close. Maybe a 'time on your feet' run (maybe 2.5 hours) instead? Team, what do you think?

diego_b · 05-10-2015 10:24PM

Dubgal72 wrote:

Hi diego, you still on for a run tomorrow? Best of luck with it and hope it goes well! When are you back to physio

Hi Dubgal, going to give 5 miles a go alright after work. Fingers crossed. Bit annoyed about it all to be honest, I kinda know deep down this is not going to be right for DCM day but doing all I can for it...hard to keep up the PMA though. Was doing resistance band work earlier (have to do that twice a day for gluts) and then my core work and a good bit of foam rolling and thinking what is the bloody point but will keep at it in the hope it helps.

Have to be honest and say I was reading up on using ibuprofen and the like earlier to see if I can get the inflammation down. I think it's just holding steady for a few weeks now.
Back to the Physio on Wed morning so we'll see what he says then. I can be bloody minded when I must but to be honest when the pain kicks it it is both distracting to everything else I am doing with breathing and trying to stay relaxed. I know I have not wasted my time with the training no matter what comes to pass with the race as between the shared experience here, what I have learned about running, the training benefits and the pb's along the way it has been something very special but my goal at the off was to run the marathon and at the moment I am more than concerned that I can't do that.

Dubgal72 · 05-10-2015 10:28PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

Headache turned into migraine complete with lightning aura and nausea. Can't leave work though. Wishing we could at least turn off the lights in my section!

How are you this evening? I really felt for you today, that cannot have been pleasant!

frash wrote: »

Getting in the first 'taper doubts' post.

"Trust in the plan", they'll say.

I worry about endurance - can I keep the pmp (10:18) up for 26.2 miles?
Should I go with the 4:30 pacer and potential end up loosing them and finishing in 4:40 or should I go with the 4:40 and hopefully stay with them or might I end up at 4:50 / 5:00?

I'm not really expecting anyone to reply to tell me the answers to any of the above but if you feel any kind of similar doubts you might hit the 'thanks' button.

Haven't ran since Thursday (was away for the weekend) so maybe 5 miles at PMP at lunchtime will clear some of these doubts.

I'm off the booze now until after the big day - another challenge!

Hi frash, you'll feel happier next week but in the meantime...
If you're able to hold 4:30 pace, you'll hold it....
if you're able to hold 4:40 pace, you'll hold it - you won't go down to 4:50
If you're able to hold 4:30 pace but decide to start at 4:40 pace....you'll finish nearer 4:30
You won't bleed time if you start conservatively, it actually works the other way...yes, you're more likely to gain time.
However, if you start faster than you're able for...you will certainly bleed time...buckets of it....

stepster wrote: »

Hi everyone - I dip into this thread every now and then and find it very informative and great to know there's others in the exact same boat as me! I know I'm late to the party but I suppose I just needed a little support after what was a very trying 20 miler on Saturday - my last LSR. I woke at 3.30am this morning and could not sleep and spent the next hour reading and relating to all your stories of your last big run before tapering begins.

Here's a bit of background:

What is your athletics background? Have you run before?What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
Running since Feb 2014. No sports since rugby in school 24 years ago!

Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Parkrun 5K PB 21.43
Naas 10K 2014 48.00

Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training ? (No problem if you do)
No

How much training do you currently do ? Distances, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
Previous to my current training plan, I ran Parkrun most weekends and tried to get in at least 2 x 7-8K runs midweek

How many days a week can you train?
4

What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
Dream time 4.15, realistic 4.30

What marathon programme are you following/intending to use?
Marathonrookie.com - it's a 16 week program and I started after my holidays in week 4. I have completed most of the program, missed 17 miler in week 11 due to sickness.

My week 12 LSR last week was 18 miles and I completed it with ease, was tired getting home but felt good within an hour or two.. I consumed 2 gels and water during the run and this worked out well. Previous to this LSR I had not been taking gels but I felt I should as the distances increased, anyway no negative effects and I feel the gels worked..

Fast forward to week 13 Saturday run 20 miles - what a difference a week makes!! I powered through the 10 mile mark, felt very good - I did not feel like taking a gel until that point so I stopped for a gel and some water - I did not take any more gels after this.. Around the 15 mile mark I started feeling nauseous - every step was a struggle and I still had a quarter of my run to go! It wasn't pretty - I struggled to finish but kept with it - out on my feet. I still had an extra 1km to walk home.. I nearly threw up but managed somehow to reach the front door..

My time was 3.22 for the 20 miles and average pace of 10.06. I was very happy with this time, but a bit confused because my average pace the week before for the 18 miles was 10.21.

In my head I'm wondering did I not prepare properly - I ate a mound of pasta and chicken the evening before, but still felt hungry going to bed - should I have eaten before bed? Or possibly I didn't drink enough water the day before - or possibly I was just out of sorts and just drained after all the training.. I just hope the tapering works and I can somehow manage to find the strength to finish this thing!!

My plan for the marathon is to go with the 4.15 pacers and see how I feel - I can slow down or speed up accordingly.

Cheers everyone and good luck!

Hi stepster, welcome aboard

Hold tight for next week when you'll have a list of questions to tick off before you nail down a target

Toulouse wrote: »

Oh yeah, I knew there was something else I wanted to ask!!

There's no recovery runs on the HHN1 plan but I've been doing 3 to 4 miles the day after an LSR so that I have 5 days running instead of 4. How does that work for taper?

No harm to keep an easy three in if you want to. Just make sure it's easy

And hi unaaine, welcome back for Round 2 of DCM

Dubgal72 · 05-10-2015 10:41PM

Record lsr reports this week, thank you everyone!
There's not much to be said at this juncture...the work is done, the miles have been put in....except well done all of you!

Brenarr, neady, Phoole and PeterD61 all ran the Athlone 3/4, well done.

Great reports from
Stevo, 20,
Chrislad 18
Toulouse (ahem, how many?!)
Singer a miserable 20

self-inflicted

Donglen 20 at PMP :eek:
Denis b a metric 29km
Eyeball kid
Whoops 3 hours and 1 minute

TheBazman 32km
Duffer 20
Sideshowbob 21
JacEim a torture treadmill session :eek:
Sunny Disposition 22
Emsy 20
TFGR a very gritty 17
Birdcage1 19
Nop 18...19

Phoebas 19
Healy1835 32 km
Kennyg 20.15

MrsMc the longest ever! 22
Jake1970 enjoyed 20

Neilthefunkeone 20
Coolhandspan 20
ZV Yoda 20
Ratracer :rolleyes:

I am tired from just thinking about all those miles! :cool:

Apologies if I have missed anyone, blame glitchy boards :mad: Let me know and I'll add you in to that lsr roll of honour

davedanon · 05-10-2015 10:57PM

Great work being done by all here, well done. I have one observation to make, though, and apologies if I'm overstepping the mark or interfering with training orthodoxies. It just seems to me that many on here are a little over-obsessed with their nutrition/hydration. Eating and drinking, in plain language. I know that everyone here is a novice marathoner, but, back in 2009 so was I, and I hope it just serves to reassure people when I say that I never gave a single thought to what I ate or drank, beyond the basics of having enough fluids on board, but not too much, and eating as much as I wanted/needed without doing it too close to running time, because like some I need to leave several hours between eating and running. I see several people making reference to carb consumption (ie eating pasta) the night before a long run. Without again wishing to step on anyone's toes, I don't know if this is really necessary. By all means carb-load a bit before the actual marathon, but for a regular long run, well all I am saying is don't worry about it. I see a bit of stressing going on - did I eat too much/not enough/too soon/too late etc etc. The only thing to worry about is the training. If you do the miles then that's everything sorted right there. If you're hungry, eat. Ditto with thirst. I used to religiously have my porridge every Sunday morning, even though, to be frank, I hate porridge. It's just tasteless goo. you have to put stuff in it just to make it even a bit interesting. So then I stopped having it so much, and you know what? It made absolutely no difference.

Anyway, good luck to all. don't let the taper madness make you crazy.

Phoole · 06-10-2015 04:17AM

Quick question guys. Tapering runs, should they be done at marathon pace or can I pick it up a little?

TheBazman · 06-10-2015 05:25AM

Just back from my 10k. Normally do these in Dublin but had to do it at home this morning so essentially in the middle of nowhere. Flashing arm led lights and a torch for company. Pitch dark under the trees but the moon/stars were nice and bright in parts. On the upside I did see a shooting star

Pace at average of 5.35/km so close enough to PMP, although did start at 6.00/km and finished at 5.00/km.

Now for some stretches and brekkie.

Dubgal72 · 06-10-2015 06:24AM

Phoole wrote: »

Quick question guys. Tapering runs, should they be done at marathon pace or can I pick it up a little?

TheBazman wrote: »

Just back from my 10k. Normally do these in Dublin but had to do it at home this morning so essentially in the middle of nowhere. Flashing arm led lights and a torch for company. Pitch dark under the trees but the moon/stars were nice and bright in parts. On the upside I did see a shooting star

Pace at average of 5.35/km so close enough to PMP, although did start at 6.00/km and finished at 5.00/km.

Now for some stretches and brekkie.

Morning

No need for PMP runs, you're on a taper. Keep your runs for now at usual easy and lsr pace. Easy miles for EVERYONE this week.

06-10-2015 06:47AM

davedanon wrote: »

It just seems to me that many on here are a little over-obsessed with their nutrition/hydration.

I'm constantly being asked "is that all you're eating?" when I sit for lunch. Yesterday "I hope you have more food in the office and that's just a snack". At home "you're not eating enough for a normal person, nevermind someone running a marathon". I rolled my eyes yesterday at lunch when I was asked because it becomes really tiresome and you do start to worry that you're not doing it right.

I got really burnt out a couple of months back, really quite unwell, and I had my running dude, my crossfit coach, and a dietician friend look at what I was eating and they all told me to eat more - the latter two said I particularly needed more carbs. When I did that, I started to feel better, but I had to consciously do that and so it's easy to slip back when you stop actively thinking about it.

So I do understand where you're coming from, and I don't disagree with you, but there are reasons that I worry about my nutrition. Hydration I've little issue with but others might have reasons for feeling that way, and it's a learning curve for all of us.

ZV Yoda · 06-10-2015 07:29AM

Decided to take a rest day yesterday because my right knee was still sore after 20 mile lsr on Sunday. Took some anti-inflammatories & applied ice-pack 2-3 times.

Got up this am to do 5 miles, but still felt a bit of a niggle, so decided to knock it on the head. Will see how it feels later & may try a very easy 5 miles at lunchtime. I could also use the treadmill in work - would this be a better option if the niggle is still there?

Regarding food - I haven't changed my diet at all. I'm probably eating a little bit more than usual, but not exactly pigging out carb loading either. My weight has remained more or less the same throughout the plan. Maybe lost a couple of lbs at most, but there's no fear of me wasting away anytime soon.

conor_mc · 06-10-2015 07:55AM

Haven't managed to get last weekend's 18m LSR done yet

, plus I'm pretty severely restricted for time over the next couple of days. Today/tomorrow, I can fit in either 3-4m at lunchtime or 6-8 miles late each evening. Thursday is the next time I'll be able to tackle an LSR, should I catch up on the 18 then and push next weekend's 14 back a few days, or maybe do 16 this weekend and then come back on plan with 8 miles the weekend after? Just conscious that I don't want to start tapering too early (last week wasn't great mileage-wise), nor do I want to leave myself short on taper-time either.

ratracer · 06-10-2015 08:24AM

Dubgal72 wrote: »

Record lsr reports this week, thank you everyone!
There's not much to be said at this juncture...the work is done, the miles have been put in....except well done all of you!

Brenarr, neady, Phoole and PeterD61 all ran the Athlone 3/4, well done.

Great reports from
Stevo, 20,
Chrislad 18
Toulouse (ahem, how many?!)
Singer a miserable 20 self-inflicted
Donglen 20 at PMP :eek:
Denis b a metric 29km
Eyeball kid
Whoops 3 hours and 1 minute
TheBazman 32km
Duffer 20
Sideshowbob 21
JacEim a torture treadmill session :eek:
Sunny Disposition 22
Emsy 20
TFGR a very gritty 17
Birdcage1 19
Nop 18...19
Phoebas 19
Healy1835 32 km
Kennyg 20.15
MrsMc the longest ever! 22
Jake1970 enjoyed 20
Neilthefunkeone 20
Coolhandspan 20
ZV Yoda 20

I am tired from just thinking about all those miles! :cool:

Apologies if I have missed anyone, blame glitchy boards :mad: Let me know and I'll add you in to that lsr roll of honour

Aww... i'm feeling all left out

Is it just cos I ran it on Thursday?

chrislad · 06-10-2015 08:24AM

ratracer wrote: »

Aww... i'm feeling all left out Is it just cos I ran it on Thursday?

Back into your box! Shoo!

ratracer · 06-10-2015 08:28AM

chrislad wrote: »

Back into your box! Shoo!

I'm going to go and pound my disappointment out on the road now.:D

chrislad · 06-10-2015 08:41AM

ratracer wrote: »

I'm going to go and pound my disappointment out on the road now.:D

As long as you do so at an easy pace! :pac:

diego_b · 06-10-2015 09:05AM

5 miles in the bag this morning and feeling pretty pretty good before, during and after it.
Avg pace was 9:22, in my marathon pace zone but to be honest I am finding it a lot more comfortable to run closer to 9min miles than 10min miles at the moment. I am not sure what the long term effect of this for the marathon is but I have to accept the pace I can comfortably run at. Hopefully at worst it means that when I tire during the race I may need to walk for a bit and then go again at the same pace running but this is a step into the unknown for me....bodly going where I have not gone before (I adore Star Trek so forgive the reference).

Splits
9:35
9:17
9:16
9:22
9:21

Avg heart rate of 157.

Knee felt 0-1/10 on the pain scale this morning and as my lovely little daughter had the house awake at 6am I said I might as well do the run before work. Sitting down all day does not a happy knee make either I think.
Knee got to 2/10 on the pain scale by mile 2 and then eased back, in the 5th mile it was actually at it's most comfortable. Oddly enough as well I think the pain has shifted slightly on the knee to the other side of the knee cap so not sure what that means but will find out at the physio tomorrow.

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