Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

NukaCola · 28-09-2015 11:27AM

Mr.H wrote: »

Not telling him to not post. I just know he will disappear as usual when things arent bad enough for him for him to slate the team

All these claims have been proved false through the years about Mr.Alan.

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 11:29AM

Mr.H wrote: »

Not telling him to not post. I just know he will disappear as usual when things arent bad enough for him for him to slate the team

Mr.H wrote: »

The quicker we get into form and you f9ck off into your hide away the better.

Reads like that to me as you think MrAlan only posts when we are playing badly which is in fact a myth.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 11:30AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Why is that relevant? Is the last 3 years not a big enough time frame?

NO!

Injury prone is when a player picks up injuries very easily over the course of his/her career

He has picked up one really bad injury last season in his leg that led to other injuries in that leg while trying to recover.

One injury in his legs gave him one season of injuries.

Your ignoring the first year year and a half he was here and his career prior to Liverpool meaning that you just dont want to see any different.

If you cant have an open mind and actually look at the data I have provided then whats the point :rolleyes:

One season does not make a player injury prone.

Jack Wilshere picks up long term injuries all the time, he is injury prone. Owen picked up injuries that made him miss a few games at a time, he was injury prone.

Before Liverpool Danny missed 20 games "due to injury" in 7 years. And half of those he claims were Chelsea just making excuses not to pick him (because when he played he played well and he wasnt one of Chelsea's world class names)

But ignore that

mudstack · 28-09-2015 11:30AM

Rodgers was manager of the season the season before last.

If Suarez was the sole reason for our 2nd place finish the season before last then how come we finished 7th the season before that when Suarez scored 23 goals?

Last season was a disaster and set us back. We lost Suarez and Sturridge through injury. Gerard was only a shadow of his former self. They were our 3 best players the season before.

Rodgers was left with a choice between Balotelli and Eto to replace Suarez, he chose Balotelli.

The club has gone after top players but not one of the players City, Chelsea or Arsenal have signed would have come to Liverpool.
We're buying players with potential to be top players, not players who are proven top class.

Lovren turned out to be a disaster when every man and his dog was hailing him as a great signing.

Lallana spent most of the season injured.

So it's gonna take time to recover from that.
Warner has said that Rodgers was more involved in the signings this year.
For me they all look good signings so far but they will take time to gel.

Personally I'm looking forward to seeing Benteke, Sturridge, Coutinho, Firmino, Henderson and Milner in the same team with Lallana, Ings, Origi and Ibe to come in.

The makings are there of a good team.
Rodgers deserves at least the season to get it right.
Bringing someone else in now and expecting miracles is folly.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 11:33AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Its correct if taken from here http://ie.soccerway.com/players/daniel-sturridge/5206/

Depends on where the data is coming from

Thats true it does depend

But here is some data that shows how many games he actually missed

http://www.transfermarkt.com/daniel-sturridge/verletzungen/spieler/47082

But again read carefully as some overlap

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 11:35AM

Back to football.

Goalkeeper changes coming?

Vigouroux recalled from loan spell by Liverpool

GOALKEEPER Lawrence Vigouroux has been recalled from his loan spell at Swindon Town by parent club Liverpool, according to reports.

Vigouroux started Town’s opening eight League One fixtures of the campaign but was dropped to the bench for Saturday’s 2-1 defeat at home to Colchester United because of a ‘disciplinary internal matter’ believed to be over a training issue.

http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/13788176.Vigouroux_recalled_from_loan_spell_by_Liverpool/

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 11:37AM

NukaCola wrote: »

All these claims have been proved false through the years about Mr.Alan.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Reads like that to me as you think MrAlan only posts when we are playing badly which is in fact a myth.

Yet now he has disappeared again when called on it

I have no issue with MrAlan and I have no problem with him even slating the manager.

But if I see something I dont agree with I am going to call him on it the same way I will call everyone else on it. If he doesnt agree with me he can call me on what he thinks I am talking BS about.

Like a few of you thinking I am full of sh1t about Sturridges injuries. I have no problem with that. Call me on things if you think I am wrong.

But I wont go hiding just because someone disagrees.

It just "feels like" MrAlan comes on here to say a few outlandish statements to get some wound up and then sits back to watch what happens.

Bandana boy · 28-09-2015 11:41AM

What are peoples opinion on Can ?

I don't think he is good enough yet for a side trying to challenge for top 4. His awarness of what is happening around him is poor ,although maybe that comes with more time on the pitch.
What is his best postion ?
What postion do Liverpool need him in ?

Does Rodgers need to play him more and have him learn the role on the pitch or drop him /loan him out ?
Is pitch time as a CB or a FB harming or helping the lad ?

Francie Barrett · 28-09-2015 11:41AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Back to football.

Goalkeeper changes coming?

Vigouroux recalled from loan spell by Liverpool

http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/13788176.Vigouroux_recalled_from_loan_spell_by_Liverpool/

Looks like Swindon just wanted rid of him.

NukaCola · 28-09-2015 11:42AM

Mr.H wrote: »

NO!

I dont agree with you. Not in the slightest. Danny misses way too many games for LFC and thats all I care about.

As a Liverpool player he is injury prone. You are writing off last year like it was a one off and using data from seasons where he didn't play regularly to "prove" he hasn't injury issues.

He's had multiple muscle injuries and setbacks for us. To say that Daniel Sturridge is not injury prone at this moment in time is false.

Francie Barrett · 28-09-2015 11:43AM

Bandana boy wrote: »

What are peoples opinion on Can ?

I don't think he is good enough yet for a side trying to challenge for top 4. His awarness of what is happening around him is poor ,although maybe that comes with more time on the pitch.
What is his best postion ?
What postion do Liverpool need him in ?

Does Rodgers need to play him more and have him learn the role on the pitch or drop him /loan him out ?
Is pitch time as a CB or a FB harming or helping the lad ?

We are wrecking him by shunting him around into different positions if you ask me.

Osmosis Jones · 28-09-2015 11:44AM

Bandana boy wrote: »

What are peoples opinion on Can ?

I don't think he is good enough yet for a side trying to challenge for top 4. His awarness of what is happening around him is poor ,although maybe that comes with more time on the pitch.
What is his best postion ?
What postion do Liverpool need him in ?

Does Rodgers need to play him more and have him learn the role on the pitch or drop him /loan him out ?
Is pitch time as a CB or a FB harming or helping the lad ?

He's a CM. At the moment I wouldn't have him starting in the league when everyone is fit. He's a good player to have on the bench, he can change games when he comes on. I'd have him starting in the cups.

Knex* · 28-09-2015 11:51AM

If we're playing 352, I'd far prefer Gomez in as the 3rd CB than Can, tbh.

He's fine when he's facing the play, but dreadful at defending from crosses. Both when the cross is from his side, or when he's at the back post defending the ball in. The latter in particular he's a nightmare at.

With Henderson out, we probably need Can to step up and become more disciplined in a midfield role anyway, as we lack that speed and mobility. He has a lot to learn though.

mosstin · 28-09-2015 11:55AM

Mr.H wrote: »

Yet I have proven it :rolleyes:

Mr Alan wrote: »

Essentially, everything is rosey

:rolleyes:

God the sooner he is sacked so we don't have to put up with rubbish posts like the above, better for all concerned.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Wow. We barely beat a horrendous Aston Villa side and all of a sudden Rodgers & his defenders try to re-write history and pretend there's no issue and we've had a decent start :rolleyes:

He'll be sacked soon enough, we play some decent teams over the next few weeks and quite simply, we're so poor that decent teams will beat us with relative ease more often than not.

Mr.H wrote: »

NO!

Injury prone is when a player picks up injuries very easily over the course of his/her career

He has picked up one really bad injury last season in his leg that led to other injuries in that leg while trying to recover.

One injury in his legs gave him one season of injuries.

Your ignoring the first year year and a half he was here and his career prior to Liverpool meaning that you just dont want to see any different.

If you cant have an open mind and actually look at the data I have provided then whats the point :rolleyes:

One season does not make a player injury prone.

Jack Wilshere picks up long term injuries all the time, he is injury prone. Owen picked up injuries that made him miss a few games at a time, he was injury prone.

Before Liverpool Danny missed 20 games "due to injury" in 7 years. And half of those he claims were Chelsea just making excuses not to pick him (because when he played he played well and he wasnt one of Chelsea's world class names)

But ignore that

Two posters, one battle for supremacy in the emoticon wars. There will be blood.

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 11:56AM

mosstin wrote: »

Two posters, one battle for supremacy in the emoticon wars. There will be blood.

corwill · 28-09-2015 11:58AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It's more like 2 girls 1 cup around here at the minute, the thread is that hard to look at.

rob316 · 28-09-2015 11:58AM

Watching the Sunday Supplement and one journalist made a comment that really summed us up. Liverpool for the last decade sell at the top of the market and buy in the middle.

They also had a lot of good to say about Rodgers and didn't blame him entirely for the current troubles. They were very fair in their criticism and praise. Its not on Rodgers that he has had his best player sold every summer and having to integrate another 7 players into the squad. From January 13 to May 14 their was a clear progression and style to Liverpool's play, but for some reason he has abandoned his principles, the very principles that got him the job in the first place. Down to inexperience he has resulted to altering his philosophy but he isn't even sure how to project that style onto the pitch, resulting in the players looking like a bunch of strangers.

He is regarded an excellent coach, but his management of a large squad and input in transfers has left a lot to be desired.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 12:01PM

NukaCola wrote: »

I dont agree with you. Not in the slightest. Danny misses way too many games for LFC and thats all I care about.

As a Liverpool player he is injury prone. You are writing off last year like it was a one off and using data from seasons where he didn't play regularly to "prove" he hasn't injury issues.

He's had multiple muscle injuries and setbacks for us. To say that Daniel Sturridge is not injury prone at this moment in time is false.

Thats fine that we dont agree. Not the first time probably wont be the last

BUT I am just saying that before least season he wouldnt have been called "injury prone"

I just think that the one bad season in his whole career has wrongly labled him as "injury prone"

If he is injury prone he will keep breaking down. If not he will be able to play 30+ games a season (in all comps) for us. So I hope I am right that he isnt injury prone and that he does manage to play 30+ games a season for us. Missing the odd game I have no issue with but missing 20+ games a season would be dire and very much injury prone.

But I am sure we all hope he plays a great deal of games this season or until we get a replacement, whatever the case is

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 12:03PM

corwill wrote: »

It's more like 2 girls 1 cup around here at the minute, the thread is that hard to look at.

I knew there was a weird taste in my mouth

Come back MrAlan. Lets let bygones be bygones. Its all just a bit of craic at the end of the day

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-09-2015 12:06PM

rob316 wrote: »

Watching the Sunday Supplement and one journalist made a comment that really summed us up. Liverpool for the last decade sell at the top of the market and buy in the middle.

They also had a lot of good to say about Rodgers and didn't blame him entirely for the current troubles. They were very fair in their criticism and praise. Its not on Rodgers that he has had his best player sold every summer and having to integrate another 7 players into the squad. From January 13 to May 14 their was a clear progression and style to Liverpool's play, but for some reason he has abandoned his principles, the very principles that got him the job in the first place. Down to inexperience he has resulted to altering his philosophy but he isn't even sure how to project that style onto the pitch, resulting in the players looking like a bunch of strangers.

He is regarded an excellent coach, but his management of a large squad and input in transfers has left a lot to be desired.

How is he an excellent coach when there hasn't been a single player bought in the last 2 years who has improved their form under Rodgers? In fact nearly every player has regressed.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 12:07PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How is he an excellent coach when there hasn't been a single player bought in the last 2 years who has improved their form under Rodgers? In fact nearly every player has regressed.

Suaraz, Sterling, Hendo all improved under Rodgers

ricero · 28-09-2015 12:08PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How is he an excellent coach when there hasn't been a single player bought in the last 2 years who has improved their form under Rodgers? In fact nearly every player has regressed.

Jordan henderson has come along leaps and bounds under rodgers it must be said

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-09-2015 12:10PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Suaraz, Sterling, Hendo all improved under Rodgers

Read again, bought in the last 2 years.

rob316 · 28-09-2015 12:10PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How is he an excellent coach when there hasn't been a single player bought in the last 2 years who has improved their form under Rodgers? In fact nearly every player has regressed.

You seriously cant believe that? Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling, Henderson, Coutinho all have improved under him.

EDIT: The greater question should be asked is why haven't the new recruits improved. My guess is Rodgers never wanted most or doesn't trust them.

He's proven he cant manage our club but he can coach be fair.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 12:12PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Read again, bought in the last 2 years.

I know what you said but gave the benefit of the doubt that surely you dont mean only players that are bought can benefit from coaching??

Surely players bought are less hoped to need coaching than those already at the club?

NukaCola · 28-09-2015 12:13PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How is he an excellent coach when there hasn't been a single player bought in the last 2 years who has improved their form under Rodgers? In fact nearly every player has regressed.

Can? Got his first full International cap a few months back also as a result.

brevity · 28-09-2015 12:14PM

You would think we start to prepare better for the inevitable time that one of our star players leave. I mean Porto, Dortmund and Atletico are able to manage this, why can't we.

For a club that is so old we are incredibly green at times.

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 12:14PM

ricero wrote: »

Jordan henderson has come along leaps and bounds under rodgers it must be said

He was highly regarded and we paid a lot of money for him at the time you could say this was his natural progression as he aged.

I actually think Rodgers probably a very good coach just not a manager.

Of the 31 players brought to the club while Rodgers is manager most stayed at the same level or regressed.

Coutinho could be seen really as the only player to have gotten better under Rodgers.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 12:17PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He was highly regarded and we paid a lot of money for him at the time you could say this was his natural progression as he aged.

I actually think Rodgers probably a very good coach just not a manager.

Of the 31 players brought to the club while Rodgers is manager most stayed at the same level or regressed.

Coutinho could be seen really as the only player to have gotten better under Rodgers.

Sterling and Suarez both got ALOT better under Rodgers

Caovyn Lineah · 28-09-2015 12:25PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He was highly regarded and we paid a lot of money for him at the time you could say this was his natural progression as he aged.

I actually think Rodgers probably a very good coach just not a manager.

Of the 31 players brought to the club while Rodgers is manager most stayed at the same level or regressed.

Coutinho could be seen really as the only player to have gotten better under Rodgers.

So when Suarez was signed from Ajax he was regarded as the 3rd best player in the world?

Sturridge was regarded as Englands best striker?

Stop talking rubbish.

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