Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

corwill · 27-09-2015 02:15PM

Grayditch wrote: »

I'd love to be able to have a knee jerk reaction to the win and think everything's gonna be ok. As I said before Rodgers is great at getting runs out of the team, but it always seems to collapse in one way or another. Happy after the win. Excited? Definitely not yet.

I'd really love to be able to forget about last season and some of the things I've seen this one. At the very least, it's good that he seems to have woken up and some football was played yesterday.

The attacking performance yesterday was encouraging, especially in the 2nd half. Much of that seemed to be down to Sturridge's return, though. Rodgers doesn't seem to know what to do to make things happen if Sturridge isn't available. Which is, IMHO, unsatisfactory.

And despite Lucas' best efforts, we still looked terribly vulnerable to a counter, and that's against possibly the most ineptly coached side in the division. Far, far too much is expected of the wingbacks in this 3-4-3, and we absolutely will get sliced open down the flanks when either Clyne or Moreno is caught in possession farther up the field. Spurs, Chelsea, City and Everton will take advantage of this, they have the players to do it with ease, and all of whom we're away to in the next 2 months. Maybe with a real defender instead of Can as the right most defender in the back 3, we might get away with it, but not often enough to avoid being done.

Most worryingly from yesterday's post-match interview, and given his persistence with that formation, Rodgers really doesn't seem to get this at all. He was petulant and whiny, blathering on about hysteria and speaking about criticism being undeserved. The comparison of the number of losses as between us and Utd and Chelsea was pretty cringe worthy, reminiscent of the sort of obtuse mental gymnastics you see on here. And no, Brendan, the focus was on you and your tactics and selections as well, not just the players.

The lack of self-reflection and humility was disappointing, as I was still sort of in his corner until as recently as about half way through the 2nd half against Bournemouth. But it was unsurprising.

Turtyturd · 27-09-2015 02:15PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

I don't need a crystal ball, it's called having a bit of knowledge. I'm 100% sure we will get more than 1 point from the next 4 games.

That's not what you originally said.

Caovyn Lineah · 27-09-2015 02:18PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

That's not what you originally said.

That's what the Celtic fan quoted. I said there is zero chance we only get 1 point from the next 4 games. Try to keep up x

Grayditch · 27-09-2015 02:20PM

corwill wrote: »

Most worryingly from yesterday's post-match interview, and given his persistence with that formation, Rodgers really doesn't seem to get this at all. He was petulant and whiny, blathering on about hysteria and speaking about criticism being undeserved. The comparison of the number of losses as between us and Utd and Chelsea was pretty cringe worthy, reminiscent of the sort of obtuse mental gymnastics you see on here. And no, Brendan, the focus was on you and your tactics and selections as well, not just the players.

The lack of self-reflection and humility was disappointing, as I was still sort of in his corner until as recently as about half way through the 2nd half against Bournemouth. But it was unsurprising.

I've stopped watching them, I don't really like the way he goes on, but I feel like it clouds my judgement on him when it's just the performances I try to concentrate on. I've accepted that Rodgers is a bit of an ego, and I wont get annoyed by them if I don't watch them.

Turtyturd · 27-09-2015 02:23PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

That's what the Celtic fan quoted. I said there is zero chance we only get 1 point from the next 4 games. Try to keep up x

Offer still stands.

Caovyn Lineah · 27-09-2015 02:24PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Offer still stands.

Name your terms and stake.

corwill · 27-09-2015 02:25PM

Grayditch wrote: »

I've stopped watching them, I don't really like the way he goes on, but I feel like it clouds my judgement on him when it's just the performances I try to concentrate on. I've accepted that Rodgers is a bit of an ego, and I wont get annoyed by them if I don't watch them.

Yeah, I was the same way for a long time, I told myself that's just the way he handles interviews and pressers. But no-one is putting words in his mouth. When a guy keeps trying to tell you something about himself, over and over, eventually you have to take him at this word. Even if he thinks he's telling you something else.

Turtyturd · 27-09-2015 02:38PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Name your terms and stake.

Very tempted to say forum access for the good of the thread but we both know you'll be back again.

Just give 50 euro to charity and stick the proof up here, good kid.

Caovyn Lineah · 27-09-2015 02:40PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Very tempted to say forum access for the good of the thread but we both know you'll be back again.

Just give 50 euro to charity and stick the proof up here, good kid.

Either is good with me.

SlickRic · 27-09-2015 02:55PM

Rodgers will be fine is he wins lots of games.
He will not if we don't win games and play shíte.
The last 14 months have suggested strongly that he can't get it done, so he needs to go on quite an incredible run to be safe from criticism.

It's not a difficult concept.

If he wins 10 points in the next 4 games, fantastic. He'll still be scrutinised, and rightly so, as he'll have still achieved pretty much nothing.

Doff · 27-09-2015 03:08PM

Thing with Rodgers is he could well go and win those 4 games, then we lose our form and struggle to get it back again.

Gbear · 27-09-2015 03:27PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I think Gomez instead of Can in back three makes us stronger?

Can was actually really good yesterday when he wasn't defending.

He plays like a top class CM when he's at CB.:P

We'd get better defensively with Gomez, but one would hope that Can won't consistently make the sorts of ****ups that lead to Gestede's first goal, and we gain more against teams that sit deep with an extra support midfielder than we do from shoring up the defence.

I mean, they scored that stupid goal and then we just strolled down the other end and scored effortlessly. That's the payoff - not directly, but still.

I'd definitely consider Gomez for the likes of the Chelsea and Spuds games though.
Can would be a great option off the bench anywhere on the pitch.

Strongbow10 · 27-09-2015 03:29PM

Rodgers strikes me as a bloke who has read every self help book going and acts like one of these positive thinking gurus. The problems arise when the players see him as a bit of a bullsh*t artist.

Don't forget that even when we were stringing wins together Rodgers took great pleasure in conducting lengthy post match interviews with Geoff Shreeves and the like going into great tactical detail about how he masterminded the win with his tactical plan.

He would explain the benefits of pressing/benefits of playing 3 at the back etc... Harping on about "how he likes to work", which is bizarre when you think about it. Why divulge this important info in meaningless interviews? No other reason to do so other than to blow your own trumpet. Which is the act of a very naive manager.

Different players have been thrown under the bus/used out of position only to be recalled and used as key players in the starting XI. When a player doesn't perform its usually their own problem, but when it all clicks then the manager is a genius.

He had 2 strikers (both scoring 25 goals +) papering over his deficiencies. Suarez was a freak and let's not forget that he didn't want Sturridge at all. The committee have given Rodgers a hiding place in fairness, his own additions in his first season were Joe Allen and Fabio Borini. I'd imagine Coutinho was a committee signing as well.

What's most damning is his inability to organise a defence in all his time here. Freezing players out after errors seems to be his tactic in relation to defenders only to recall them when their replacement balls up in his defensive system.

4-3-3 was preached as the future in pre season (and I'd imagine players were recruited on this assumption) only for him to revert to 3 at the back again (a system he changed to last season before he flogged it to death and was found out after 6-7 games).

When teams figure us out like they did at back end of last season (with 3 at the back) then the manager has played all his hand.

Alonso77 · 27-09-2015 03:39PM

One of the main problems with Rodgers management has been losing bottle at the most crucial of times.

When it comes to the crunch and the pressure is on to deliver we have always been found wanting. The fa cup, champs lg and Europa lg runs last yr, the league challenge in 2014 and the appalling capitulation in the top 4 race last yr. It is so obvious now that Rodgers is not the future.

Time for the upgrade

murpho999 · 27-09-2015 03:43PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Rodgers strikes me as a bloke who has read every self help book going and acts like one of these positive thinking gurus. The problems arise when the players see him as a bit of a bullsh*t artist.

Don't forget that even when we were stringing wins together Rodgers took great pleasure in conducting lengthy post match interviews with Geoff Shreeves and the like going into great tactical detail about how he masterminded the win with his tactical plan.

He would explain the benefits of pressing/benefits of playing 3 at the back etc... Harping on about "how he likes to work", which is bizarre when you think about it. Why divulge this important info in meaningless interviews? No other reason to do so other than to blow your own trumpet. Which is the act of a very naive manager.

Different players have been thrown under the bus/used out of position only to be recalled and used as key players in the starting XI. When a player doesn't perform its usually their own problem, but when it all clicks then the manager is a genius.

He had 2 strikers (both scoring 25 goals +) papering over his deficiencies. Suarez was a freak and let's not forget that he didn't want Sturridge at all. The committee have given Rodgers a hiding place in fairness, his own additions in his first season were Joe Allen and Fabio Borini. I'd imagine Coutinho was a committee signing as well.

What's most damning is his inability to organise a defence in all his time here. Freezing players out after errors seems to be his tactic in relation to defenders only to recall them when their replacement balls up in his defensive system.

4-3-3 was preached as the future in pre season (and I'd imagine players were recruited on this assumption) only for him to revert to 3 at the back again (a system he changed to last season before he flogged it to death and was found out after 6-7 games).

When teams figure us out like they did at back end of last season (with 3 at the back) then the manager has played all his hand.

You strike as one of those who criticises Rodgers for every single error and then gives him zero credit for things that go well.

How do you know what the players think of him?
His interviews with Geoff Shreeves are no longer than any other managers as the interview lengths are controlled by Sky.

How do you know if he didn't want Coutinho or Sturridge? Many posters here didn't want Sturridge at the time.

You have to give credit for the good play of 13/14 Yes Suarez was amazing but Rodgers found a system that was attacking, worked and got the best out of them.
I'll always remember how they played Arsenal off the park in a 5-1 demolition, Suarez didn't score but it was the ultimate team performance and they were exhilarating and you have to give some credit to Rodgers for that.

I'm amazed how many people here just put to much importance on what he says in post match interviews. It's not that important.
Also, he's had a tough week and was harshly criticised and is entitled to have a pop back in my opinion. I don't see anything wrong in what he said.

Francie Barrett · 27-09-2015 03:56PM

Luis Alberto has an assist for Deportivo again today.

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 27-09-2015 03:58PM

Nice to see Brod bare some teeth yesterday.
Suarez,Sturridge and Sterling had the class to dictate how he set up his team in 13/14.

Last year he lost all 3.It was always going to be a struggle.Ancellotti,while respecting the club's heritage,would run a mile.He's used to having at least 6 world class players at his disposal.Liverpool have 2.
How many of the Liverpool squad would get in to a Top 4 starting 11?
City- Sturridge (fully fit)
Chelsea- Sturridge
Arsenal- Sturridge,Lucas (based on yesterday)
United- Sturridge,Coutinho

How the hell is Rodgers under pressure to finish 4th?
Edge out Spurs and hit 70 points should be his brief.

And forget about the whole 'player recruitment' argument.No one has a clue who makes those decisions these days.

MD1990 · 27-09-2015 04:02PM

Whatever about Rodgers tactics etc.I still think he has the players on side especially the English one's. The next month will determine where we are at.

mosstin · 27-09-2015 04:11PM

Memphis Fierce Cartoon wrote: »

Nice to see Brod bare some teeth yesterday.
Suarez,Sturridge and Sterling had the class to dictate how he set up his team in 13/14.

Last year he lost all 3.It was always going to be a struggle.Ancellotti,while respecting the club's heritage,would run a mile.He's used to having at least 6 world class players at his disposal.Liverpool have 2.
How many of the Liverpool squad would get in to a Top 4 starting 11?
City- Sturridge (fully fit)
Chelsea- Sturridge
Arsenal- Sturridge,Lucas (based on yesterday)
United- Sturridge,Coutinho

How the hell is Rodgers under pressure to finish 4th?
Edge out Spurs and hit 70 points should be his brief.

And forget about the whole 'player recruitment' argument.No one has a clue who makes those decisions these days.

We have 2 world class players? Really?
Coutinho isn't at that level yet and Danny isn't either. Unless you're thinking of other players?
World class is a frequently misused term.

Grayditch · 27-09-2015 04:18PM

Seems like we generally don't really play coherent football without Sturridge. That's really thin ice to be on.

weldoninhio · 27-09-2015 04:19PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

I don't need a crystal ball, it's called having a bit of knowledge. I'm 100% sure we will get more than 1 point from the next 4 games.

That's not what you said originally though. Stop moving the goalposts.

Agent Coulson · 27-09-2015 04:28PM

We have no World class players and we have European class players.

We do have the best player in a poor league

and when fit we have one top class premier league striker.

The rest of the squad vary from poor, average, good and not bad at all.

Caovyn Lineah · 27-09-2015 04:29PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

That's not what you said originally though. Stop moving the goalposts.

I said I think 10 points is a possibility.

I said there is zero chance of only getting 1 point.

Learn to read if you're going to try and be smart.

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 27-09-2015 04:32PM

mosstin wrote: »

We have 2 world class players? Really?
Coutinho isn't at that level yet and Danny isn't either. Unless you're thinking of other players?
World class is a frequently misused term.

For me it's a player who would shine in any of the top 4 sides and the top 3 in Spain and top 1 in France or Germany.

Grayditch · 27-09-2015 04:35PM

World Class is far too subjective a term for this thread, or forum. Let's just go by players rated 88+ in Fifa.

27-09-2015 04:37PM

Memphis Fierce Cartoon wrote: »

Nice to see Brod bare some teeth yesterday.
Suarez,Sturridge and Sterling had the class to dictate how he set up his team in 13/14.

Last year he lost all 3.It was always going to be a struggle.Ancellotti,while respecting the club's heritage,would run a mile.He's used to having at least 6 world class players at his disposal.Liverpool have 2.
How many of the Liverpool squad would get in to a Top 4 starting 11?
City- Sturridge (fully fit)
Chelsea- Sturridge
Arsenal- Sturridge,Lucas (based on yesterday)
United- Sturridge,Coutinho

How the hell is Rodgers under pressure to finish 4th?
Edge out Spurs and hit 70 points should be his brief.

And forget about the whole 'player recruitment' argument.No one has a clue who makes those decisions these days.

Who would Coutinho replace in the United team?

Also Sturridge wouldn't get in ahead of Costa and Aguero, that's mental stuff. He'd get in the United team on current ability but it would be at the expense of Martial who could become a better player.

Agent Coulson · 27-09-2015 04:39PM

Goal for Yesil.
https://vine.co/v/exFeLlOq0iX

Caovyn Lineah · 27-09-2015 04:40PM

Liam O wrote: »

Who would Coutinho replace in the United team?

Also Sturridge wouldn't get in ahead of Costa and Aguero, that's mental stuff. He'd get in the United team on current ability but it would be at the expense of Martial who could become a better player.

Or he could become Macheda, he has played 5 games I think.

Osmosis Jones · 27-09-2015 04:41PM

My definition of world class is the top 3-5 players in their position.

No one at Liverpool is there yet.

Thidp · 27-09-2015 04:42PM

No way Sturridge would have a place in Manchester City.

They play with one striker and Aguero is about 100x a better player.

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