Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

24-09-2015 04:05PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

This would have been a great season to mount a title challenge. City are obviously the favourites but are vulnerable, Chelsea have fallen apart, Arsenal are doing their usual thing and will finish 3rd or 4th, United are poor. If FSG had gotten Klopp/Ancelotti in the summer and given them £100 million we would be right up there.

This opinion is incredibly removed from reality. City have conceded 2 goals in 6 games and have dropped 3 points. They had 1 bad result but calling them vulnerable is a ridiculous claim imo. United are poor and yet have had 2 bad results, one a draw after complete domination and 1 a tough away loss after taking the lead. Chelsea and Arsenal both have miles better squads than Liverpool and 6 games does not a season make.

In the unlikely situation that Liverpool could convince a Klopp or Ancellotti level manager to join and just give them 100m, who would they have bought that is better than what Rodgers bought this season? Firmino and Benteke cost 60m+ and are both very good players. You could argue against the system being employed hindering them but they are high level signings, it's just all the other teams have players like that throughout their squad and aren't relying on players at the level of Lovren and whoever. The league is as competitive as ever, City have a very good 1st and 2nd choice 11 which is what will probably win them the league but it is still very open this season.

Caovyn Lineah · 24-09-2015 04:06PM

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Would they give to Macca until someone else comes up.
His record wasnt too bad at leeds. The Coventry win rate was pretty low though.

If we do that I'm done with Liverpool.

Turtyturd · 24-09-2015 04:08PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sky sensing a cup upset.

https://twitter.com/CapitalOne_Cup/status/647048001878368256

They could be right.

We might win.

Turtyturd · 24-09-2015 04:10PM

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Would they give to Macca until someone else comes up.
His record wasnt too bad at leeds. The Coventry win rate was pretty low though.

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Magico Gonzalez · 24-09-2015 04:13PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

If we do that I'm done with Liverpool.

It would be idiotic, I don't think the owners would can BR without having a replacement in the bag. Talk of a temporary coach with no pedigree would be even more detrimental to the club than carrying on with Rodgers.

I personally don't believe he is out while we are still in the UEFA cup or have a real chance of getting out of the group. Domestic cups cant save him but potentially the UEFA could.

Polo_Mint · 24-09-2015 04:19PM

I see Rodgers getting fired on Monday 5th October the day after the Everton Game.

Liverpool really do have good players but the manager cant bring them together as a team.

Caovyn Lineah · 24-09-2015 04:19PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

It would be idiotic, I don't think the owners would can BR without having a replacement in the bag. Talk of a temporary coach with no pedigree would be even more detrimental to the club than carrying on with Rodgers.

I personally don't believe he is out while we are still in the UEFA cup or have a real chance of getting out of the group. Domestic cups cant save him but potentially the UEFA could.

Do you know what the worst thing is? A lot of people would have no problem replacing Rodgers with Gerrard right this second.

OwaynOTT · 24-09-2015 04:21PM

Knex. wrote: »

Watching our games is akin to jogging on Lego, barefoot, for 90 minutes.

#Lego

To be honest, I think Rodgers just needs to lego and quit, so we can move onto the k'nex manager and maybe do a duplo with the League Cup and Europa league.

OwaynOTT · 24-09-2015 04:24PM

brevity wrote: »

Tantric Thursday it is.

LiamoSail · 24-09-2015 04:25PM

Talisman wrote: »

I don't think they'd appoint either of them. Of all the managers that were available in the summer Mark Warburton (formerly of Brentford, now managing Rangers) seemed like the perfect FSG candidate.

Big Club Experience : NO -> No big salary
He's forward thinking - he's one of the people responsible for the creation of the NextGen Series.
His Brentford team played good football and were overachieving in the league.
He's a former Sports Director/Director of Football.
Could he handle the pressure of a big club? Yes - He was formerly a currency trader for Bank of America and RBS, trading billions every day.

Himself and Nicola Cortese could be an interesting combination.

Would he be accepted by the masses? Probably not.

Couldn't agree less. Warburton was sacked by Brentford and your touting him for the Liverpool job? Moyes was a better shout.

The fact Warbuton ended up in a job in a league where there is still part time players tells you how highly he's rated within the game

OwaynOTT · 24-09-2015 04:26PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Mick McCarty deserves his chance.

What with it being Tantric Thursday and all.

Strongbow10 · 24-09-2015 04:28PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Probably the worst post I ever read. Warburton was sacked by Brentford and your touting him for the Liverpool job? Moyes was a better shout

In fairness, theres a difference between touting him for the job and saying he is "the perfect FSG candidate".

Thats a prime example of the disconnect at the moment between what the club sees (their own vision) and the fans desire to compete with the big boys again.

LiamoSail · 24-09-2015 04:31PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

In fairness, theres a difference between touting him for the job and saying he is "the perfect FSG candidate".

True, hadn't read it like that. I don't think FSG are that off the wall though. I'd have Mark Warbuton as likely as Roddy Collins or Pat Dolan

Tipsy McSwagger · 24-09-2015 04:35PM

#AyreOut

rossie1977 · 24-09-2015 04:36PM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Their performance in both domestic and european cup competitions has to be considered too.

That is unless you believe both managers had luckier draws too?

chelsea, arsenal, liverpool and utd were four of the best teams in europe during rafas run...can anyone with a straight face say that chelsea, arsenal, city or utd are in the top 4 in europe right now

the standard of the premier league is as bad as its been in 20 years and liverpool are lower midtable in that league right now which sums everything up

brevity · 24-09-2015 04:38PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

#AyreOut

A good Ayreing out is what this clubs needs, been saying it for years.

LiamoSail · 24-09-2015 04:42PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So if Rodgers is sacked who takes over , Kenny? Could he step in until we find our man. What if he does step in and gets us 4th, would he still be asked to step aside.

Debating what to do with Dalglish after he leads Liverpool to 4th is kind of like debating what school you'd send the kid to if you knocked up Mila Kunis.

I don't think its a dilemma you're ever likely to face

Ferris_Bueller · 24-09-2015 04:43PM

A good few posters on the past few pages seem to think it's a joke that we're now at a similar level to Spurs but realistically it's not that far off, we're always going to have a great history but it got me wondering how do we compare to other clubs around Europe in terms of recent history, so I had a look there at the past ten years across the top 4 leagues in Europe. Liverpools average league position during this time is 4.8, while Spurs is 5.8, so not that much difference in terms of league performance at least. We haven't reached the knockout rounds of the Champions League in 7 seasons either which is a long time and surely these are some things potential new players and managers would be looking at.

I definitely wouldn't class Liverpool in the top bracket of clubs anymore unfortunately. I'd argue that we're on a similar enough level (at best) to the likes of Milan, Inter, Dortmund, Roma, Valencia etc. All still huge clubs but no longer in the elite bracket alongside the likes of Barca, Real, Chelsea, Bayern etc.

For that reason I'd be unsure if Ancellotti would be interested in coming to Anfield at the moment, but I'd like to think it would still appeal to Klopp.

Bandana boy · 24-09-2015 04:55PM

Fabio Capello is also out of a job , is a fine coach and has woken "sleeping giants" before , suprised with all the talk being about Klopp and Ancelotti and no mention of the Don

Agent Coulson · 24-09-2015 04:58PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

Fabio Capello is also out of a job , is a fine coach and has woken "sleeping giants" before , suprised with all the talk being about Klopp and Ancelotti and no mention of the Don

He is 70 years of age and hasn't been in club management in a decade might as well go for Trap at the rate.

Mr.H · 24-09-2015 05:02PM

Anything to be said for Sven??

Colemania · 24-09-2015 05:04PM

I wonder what David O'Leary is at these days....

Agent Coulson · 24-09-2015 05:04PM

Italian players at Liverpool have been a roaring success I'm sure an Italian manager would be as well.

J Mysterio · 24-09-2015 05:05PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Anything to be said for Sven??

**** no!

Bandana boy · 24-09-2015 05:09PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Italian players at Liverpool have been a roaring success I'm sure an Italian manager would be as well.

I agree
But that surely knocks Carlo out of the running too.

Agent Coulson · 24-09-2015 05:11PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

I agree
But that surely knocks Carlo out of the running too.

He lives in Vancouver these days so he's more Canadian

BorneTobyWilde · 24-09-2015 05:14PM

How about Paco?
Led Tel Aviv to the first ever Treble in Israeli football. Knows Liverpool inside out. Has a wealth of experience, but not a lot as a head coach.

Caovyn Lineah · 24-09-2015 05:20PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

A good few posters on the past few pages seem to think it's a joke that we're now at a similar level to Spurs but realistically it's not that far off, we're always going to have a great history but it got me wondering how do we compare to other clubs around Europe in terms of recent history, so I had a look there at the past ten years across the top 4 leagues in Europe. Liverpools average league position during this time is 4.8, while Spurs is 5.8, so not that much difference in terms of league performance at least. We haven't reached the knockout rounds of the Champions League in 7 seasons either which is a long time and surely these are some things potential new players and managers would be looking at.

I definitely wouldn't class Liverpool in the top bracket of clubs anymore unfortunately. I'd argue that we're on a similar enough level (at best) to the likes of Milan, Inter, Dortmund, Roma, Valencia etc. All still huge clubs but no longer in the elite bracket alongside the likes of Barca, Real, Chelsea, Bayern etc.

For that reason I'd be unsure if Ancellotti would be interested in coming to Anfield at the moment, but I'd like to think it would still appeal to Klopp.

Those posters are so stuck in the past its beyond belief. It's like they have completely ignored the fact that Chelsea and City are now bankrolled by billionaires and United are the biggest club in the world. In their eyes we are a huge club because of our history and it's embarrassing.

Liverpool fans always get slagged for living in the past, posters like those ate the exact reason for those comments from rival fans.

25 years without a league title
1 qualification into the CL in 6 years
2 trophies since 2006

Wake up and realise this isn't 1984, we haven't just dominated Europe again, we are a midtable side with delusions of grandeur based on the club we were 30 years ago.

Talisman · 24-09-2015 05:21PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Couldn't agree less. Warburton was sacked by Brentford and your touting him for the Liverpool job? Moyes was a better shout.

The fact Warbuton ended up in a job in a league where there is still part time players tells you how highly he's rated within the game

He wasn't sacked from Brentford. The owner wanted to pick the team and tactics based upon his own performance metrics. The management team refused to work in that situation so they left at the end of the season having brought the club to the play-offs.

Can Mark Warburton translate Brentford success to Rangers?

I wasn't touting him for the job, I was pointing out that he is FSG's type of candidate. If you believe what FSG have said about how they want to shape the club, Warburton and Cortese are the kind of people they are looking for but haven't actually appointed.

People who expect Klopp or Ancelotti to be the next manager will more than likely be disappointed.

weldoninhio · 24-09-2015 05:21PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Then why haven't Spurs also surpassed them?

United, just like they always have done, manage to pull performances out of the bag when needed.

I must have missed the part where Spurs spent £300m

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