Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

klose wrote: »

Fairly certain that's happened in previous, if not all league cup games. Seems to be just what he does for em.

Not important to me. The fans deserved to hear something from him in the aftermath of that.

You don't have to send Gary Mc out just because that was done previously. This night merited an attempt at an explanation from the manager. We should've heard what he thought of it all.

Fakman87 wrote: »

In a world where Marcos Rojo, Filipe Luis and Adam Lallana are £20 million players I don't know how he can be expected to challenge for top 4.

Simply put, we're the 5th most expensive team in the division. It should be a no brainer that we challenge.

If you do get rid of him and get the likes of Ancellotti/Klopp in then surely they will be looking for big funds to spend on new players.

Would FSG be willing to do that given what was spent already in the last year or so?

SlickRic wrote: »

Also, I think it's important to note that McClaren fronted up last night after Newcastle went out to Sheffield Wed, and are in a worse crisis than us.

Proper order.

He was bloody honest too, which is what i like about McClaren.

Fakman87 wrote: »

I agree with you there but on the other hand he has lost his biggest players for the past two summers and the changing landscape in football is making it a near impossible job to build a top squad when you can't match the wages of the richest clubs.

In a world where Marcos Rojo, Filipe Luis and Adam Lallana are £20 million players I don't know how he can be expected to challenge for top 4.

It's a tricky one. I do believe losing your best players two years in a row creates a negative vibe in the squad i.e. if we were really top players/a top club we wouldn't be selling our best players. This can become a self fulfilling prophecy.

On the other hand if we have the 4th most expensive squad http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-city-manchester-united-and-chelsea-top-the-list-of-the-premier-leagues-most-expensive-10484325.html and 5th largest wage bill http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-wages-your-club-5729730 challenging for 4th is only a "par" to use a golf analogy and the key role of a manager is to make more out of the squad than the sum of it's parts.

From a macro persepctive there are only three elements in the equation

1. Value of players acquired/developed. (a crude measure of player quality)
2. Wages (can we attract quality players and are we paying them a motivational wage?)
3. Organising and deploying your resources - i.e. Management.

I know it's not as simple as 1-3 above but from an FSG perspective when they are facilitating 1 & 2 and the team is under performing the only variable in the equation which can be adjusted is Management. They did a reshuffle in the summer and I'm sure laid out very clearly what their minimum acceptable result is this season. I'm also sure they have a red line representing poor performance below which they will pull the trigger and bring in new management.

After the last 3-4 weeks I'd say BR is getting very close to crossing that line.

The clock is ticking. He'll either turn this around quickly in a sustainable manner when Sturridge and Hendo are back and fully firing or he'll oversee another half dozen poor results and will be made to walk the plank at Xmas.

Sad to see the club going through this so early in the season. I really hope he turns it round but he needs to start showing it very very soon.

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Claiming Sturride as a part of any recovery plan is incredibly silly, the man is unreliable due to injuries, so shouldn't be cited as an answer to any problems.

Also, as he's lacking match fitness, surely last night's game would have been ideal for a 45 minute run out? I find it strange he was excluded.

Damien360 wrote: »

OK, I won't argue over Migs. We can disagree on that one.

There will be limited funds in january, especially for a good keeper and wingers are never cheap. Even more so if BR is paid off and a new guy steps in.

30 mins of good football is not a lot of time to place faith in that team for the rest of the season. Chelsea will salvage top 4 with money, Man City are cruising, Man Utd are digging out results even if the fan base is not happy with the way they are doing it. Arsenal are technically better than us and I think a striker is all they need to sort themselves out and have the location and money to get what they want.

Even if we turned it around, I think we are fighting in mid table. We are the new Spurs -sorry spurs fans but it is true. The other mid table teams are stepping up to the mark this year, building on an existing structure and buying to suit their style. That is our competition for the year.

5 of the last 6 seasons Spurs have finished above Liverpool, so don't be flattering yourself, it's worse ye're getting, not better.

murpho999 wrote: »

The Xmas window? Is that a new one?

Must be the Santa Clause

SlickRic wrote: »

Rodgers is a coward tbh.

You front up after a performance like that.

Ya, was a bit shocked myself. And disappointed. People paid to see that last night.

Augeo wrote: »

Last year without a functioning striker went on a great ppg run, we have much better options up front this year.

People extrapolating the first 6 PL games (and the last x from last season) as the representation of what's to come are off the mark imo.

Time will tell

Hasn't time told already?

He is the 2nd longest serving manager in the premiership yet every time the team takes the field you would think it their first time meeting each other.

Players looked genuinely lost last night, Milner in particular looked clueless to what he was meant to be doing.

I actually spent most of the first half trying to figure out what shape we were meant to be playing. We had 3cbs and 1cf so by deductive reasoning there must has been 6 in middle!!!

Augeo wrote: »

Last year without a functioning striker went on a great ppg run, we have much better options up front this year.

People extrapolating the first 6 PL games (and the last x from last season) as the representation of what's to come are off the mark imo.

Time will tell

You're belief in a run from mid December to mid March is equally off the mark.

A malaise has set in now at this club and it's seeped in to the fans at the stadium. The captain has to go down with his ship.

klose wrote: »

Fairly certain that's happened in previous, if not all league cup games. Seems to be just what he does for em.

Brendan Rodgers let Colin Pascoe speak on his behalf? I don't recall that ever happening. Last season Brendan Rodgers faced the post match interviews after the 2-2 draw against Middlesbrough.



It's hilarious to listen to what he said then, he could have just scripted it for this season.

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

having a go at a guy for using the term "Xmas window" when it's abundantly clear what he means is pretty petty lads.

Well I was just wondering how it came about as I have never heard of it being called that. Not pettiness at all.