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What happens if psychopaths take over the world?

  • 22-09-2015 08:27PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭


    Here's a part from the definition of a psychopath (these are the white collar crime smart guys you hear about) They experience diminished empathy and remorse for actions. In other words they murder somebody, it's just nothing to them. It might be like throwing a little box on the street after your finished eating the sweets out of it.

    Or starting a rumor at work about someone to make them look good. It is believed that the guys in Enron were psychopaths. The common belief that a psychopath is a crazy guy running around with a gun killing people is incorrect.

    It is widely known and studied that there are (I think) 1 in every 100 people with this condition. That means there are a few around your town, and if they wanted something they could take your life and it wouldn't bother them one bit. They are experts at pretending they are not psychopaths.

    When you get to the leadership level in business you find a much higher percentage of psychopaths than that 1%...it is actually regarded as a serious problem for hr to deal with in the workplace.....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Here's a part from the definition of a psychopath (these are the white collar crime smart guys you hear about) They experience diminished empathy and remorse for actions. In other words they murder somebody, it's just nothing to them. It might be like throwing a little box on the street after your finished eating the sweets out of it.

    Or starting a rumor at work about someone to make them look good. It is believed that the guys in Enron were psychopaths. The common belief that a psychopath is a crazy guy running around with a gun killing people is incorrect.

    It is widely known and studied that there are (I think) 1 in every 100 people with this condition. That means there are a few around your town, and if they wanted something they could take your life and it wouldn't bother them one bit. They are experts at pretending they are not psychopaths.

    When you get to the leadership level in business you find a much higher percentage of psychopaths than that 1%...it is actually regarded as a serious problem for hr to deal with in the workplace.....

    Napoleon will come to the rescue.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    You say this as if this hasn't already happened!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Here's a part from the definition of a psychopath (these are the white collar crime smart guys you hear about) They experience diminished empathy and remorse for actions. In other words they murder somebody, it's just nothing to them. It might be like throwing a little box on the street after your finished eating the sweets out of it.

    Sociopaths already took over the 'would you date a fat person' thread so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭euser1984


    What if they have already taken over the world?

    There are numerous secret societies many world leaders have been part of....is it not reasonable to believe that it is in some psychopaths interest to be as powerful as they can be....just like any other man wants and seeks power....

    https://youtu.be/1EYHlfRhxfc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Erm where have you been?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭euser1984


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    You say this as if this hasn't already happened!

    I believe it's happened....I'm just opening a conversation :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭euser1984


    Just to add in here quickly that the idea of the EU was hitlers and the EU made 212 billion euro profit from the recession....predominantly germany that has taken this.....is this world war three behind closed curtains....


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Look out the window. That's what happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Michael OBrien


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Here's a part from the definition of a psychopath (these are the white collar crime smart guys you hear about) They experience diminished empathy and remorse for actions. In other words they murder somebody, it's just nothing to them. It might be like throwing a little box on the street after your finished eating the sweets out of it.

    Or starting a rumor at work about someone to make them look good. It is believed that the guys in Enron were psychopaths. The common belief that a psychopath is a crazy guy running around with a gun killing people is incorrect.

    It is widely known and studied that there are (I think) 1 in every 100 people with this condition. That means there are a few around your town, and if they wanted something they could take your life and it wouldn't bother them one bit. They are experts at pretending they are not psychopaths.

    When you get to the leadership level in business you find a much higher percentage of psychopaths than that 1%...it is actually regarded as a serious problem for hr to deal with in the workplace.....

    I think we know what would happen. Just look at the news. It already happens.
    Psychopaths have diminished ability to empathize with their fellow human beings, it does not mean they have NO empathy and are not intrinsically malicious. It is a physical condition. A surgeon might be a psychopath to some extent if he can operate without being too much emotionally invested in the patient, but it can also mean he is not distracted and squeamish and can do his job better than others.
    A politician can make clinical decisions without undue anxiety about the individual consequences to people, yet it might be overall beneficial to the society. Whether this is good or bad depends on the situation.
    It is not a Black and White condition as it is a physical brain development issue I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Even more scandals involving body parts and pigs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,728 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Psychopaths don't run the world but they have a disproportionate influence on it compared to their number in the general populace. It's my genuine hope that as more research is done on them we can spot and counteract them and that their influence on our lives will lessen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    Who can say where the road goes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Psychopaths are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.

    Crafty little divils aren't they. It seems to be very hard to distinguish between a true good person and one of these folk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Even more scandals involving body parts and pigs.

    If a working class person did such depraved things (I'm sure one or two do), they'd probably be written off as druggy scum or even arrested all these years later. As it's the wealthy prime minister, "oh well that's what they do at Eton and the like" :eek::eek:


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    By next year the richest 1% will own more than every one else.
    Oxfam made headlines at Davos last year with the revelation that the 85 richest people on the planet have the same wealth as the poorest 50 percent (3.5 billion people). That figure is now 80 – a dramatic fall from 388 people in 2010. The wealth of the richest 80 doubled in cash terms between 2009-14.

    From earlier Annual income of richest 100 people enough to end global poverty four times over
    The $240 billion net income in 2012 of the richest 100 billionaires would be enough to make extreme poverty history four times over,

    If those 100 people had to pay USC 8% and PRSI at 4% then global poverty could have been eliminated in a little over two years.


    Our ancestors used to practice reciprocal altruism in case they needed a favour back later. The super rich have money so they don't need altruism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭euser1984


    I'm glad this has attracted interest because psychopaths do run the world at this stage.....of course they do....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBo7Ug_1M8k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    If those 100 people had to pay USC 8% and PRSI at 4% then global poverty could have been eliminated in a little over two years.
    Without poor people, cheap stuff cannot be made.

    But even if we had the money, whom would we give it to? The corrupt governments who made them poor?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Looking at some examples from the Roman empire, fun times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Here's a part from the definition of a psychopath (these are the white collar crime smart guys you hear about) They experience diminished empathy and remorse for actions. In other words they murder somebody, it's just nothing to them. It might be like throwing a little box on the street after your finished eating the sweets out of it.

    Or starting a rumor at work about someone to make them look good. It is believed that the guys in Enron were psychopaths. The common belief that a psychopath is a crazy guy running around with a gun killing people is incorrect.

    It is widely known and studied that there are (I think) 1 in every 100 people with this condition. That means there are a few around your town, and if they wanted something they could take your life and it wouldn't bother them one bit. They are experts at pretending they are not psychopaths.

    When you get to the leadership level in business you find a much higher percentage of psychopaths than that 1%...it is actually regarded as a serious problem for hr to deal with in the workplace.....
    Psychopaths already rule the world, it's an advantageous personality trait in terms of career progression and in a meritocratic society with equal opportunities people like that will naturally rise to the top.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Earthhorse wrote: »
    Psychopaths don't run the world but they have a disproportionate influence on it compared to their number in the general populace. It's my genuine hope that as more research is done on them we can spot and counteract them and that their influence on our lives will lessen.
    Maybe EH and I can see your reasoning and it's sound at first glance, but it might also be considered that the reason such individuals exist and indeed as you point out can be found to have a disproportionate amount of influence suggests we need them in some way as a species? Or at least the non "I'm gonna wear your skin as a blanket while I feast on your eyeballs" type.

    That would be my take on it anyway. Loads of empathy while it may be healthy for the individual, may not be great when considering wider societal questions. The feels can sometimes get in the way and may actually cause more suffering in a wider context. Consider the current EU crisis, the love topic that dare not speak its name in AH. :D The empathic response would be to open up the EU and help, the non empathic response would be to look at other examples like Australia and how closing borders actually saved thousands of lives.

    Full disclosure here EH, I would and have tested positive* for some psychopathic traits. My psychopathy more operates at a distance though and doesn't involve human organs in the oul fridge. :D Beyond me and mine my level of care drops right off an emotional precipice. The irony is I can appear more empathic than the average. I appear to "get people" more easily(which can itself be a box tick for a psychopath). It's because it's more a learned and detached thing, rather than an emotional connection thing. I have always enjoyed trying to pull meaning from fluid patterns in reality and people rock very fluid and shifting patterns all the time, so it was more an area of study than a natural thing, if you know what I mean?

    Where I go off the psychopathy piste and back to "normal" is I do feel remorse for wrongdoing, I have a real hard on for societal fairness, I do form emotional attachments(though at a lesser rate than most) and generally speaking I'm not that much of a fcukwit. I did say generally speaking… Stop sniggering at the back, otherwise you'll be putting the lotion on your skin. If all that was missing I'd likely have ended up in the Daily Mail as a "Beast!". :pac:

    To give an example, the recent photo of the dead child on the beach. I felt nada TBH. For me it was a bit of a media distraction, a collection of pixels that didn't resonate at all beyond the intellectual(Hmm OK so… what's the story, the background, how will this affect opinion, etc). And no this isn't desensitisation courtesy of the interwebs. I was always like this. A little cold, detached. "Psychopathic" as it were. However if it had been a friends child. Huge difference. Though to be perfectly honest I suspect I'd feel it a little less than normal folks even then, or I could compartmentalise it more easily.

    I do think it's a sliding scale and as a "pathology" it like others can be advantageous. Autistic spectrum another example. IT is full of such people. Some of the largest clusters of autism are kicking off in "silicon valley" where these folks are marrying and having kids and concentrating the tendency. Your autistic spectrum people are almost like the psychopaths without social skills. A lot less potentially dangerous though, at least on a one to one personal level. Running huge multinationals with bazillions behind them… Hmmm maybe more of a concern.


    *a couple of mates and rellies are in the psychology/psychiatry field. Indeed in the latter discipline one of them himself has tested positive in a similar way, but he reckons his detachment makes him better at helping people.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭mg1982


    There are varying levels of psycopathy and maybe having a certain level of detachment as it makes clear thinking and being decisive much easier. Obviously on the more severe end of it then these people are very dangerous and destructive in society. As has being said many high achievers in this world have psycopath traits such as in politics business and banking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,728 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Maybe EH and I can see your reasoning and it's sound at first glance, but it might also be considered that the reason such individuals exist and indeed as you point out can be found to have a disproportionate amount of influence suggests we need them in some way as a species?

    Ah Wibbs! Wibbs!!! Too. Many. Words. I'm too tired to disputesyour whole post now but let me just say that no, I don't think we need them as a species we just don't need rid of them enough for it to be our priority so they're still around. I think in the future they'll be handled differently.

    Take this recent article which shows that actually the vast majority of people who commit violent crimes aren't psychopaths:

    http://aeon.co/magazine/philosophy/people-do-violence-because-their-moral-codes-demand-it/

    There's nothing psychopaths do of value that non psychopaths can't. Take Obama for instance; I hugely doubt the man is a psychopath but he has overseen some pretty hairy stuff in his administration. People can be detached, as for example you are, without lacking all empathy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭euser1984


    Right then, so is it fair to say that some of the conspiracy theorists are probably correct? Is the world quite possibly run by secret societies?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,728 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Right then, so is it fair to say that some of the conspiracy theorists are probably correct? Is the world quite possibly run by secret societies?
    Not in the sense that they mean it, no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭QuantumP


    TED Talk summary of Jon Ronson's book 'The Psychopath Test', which is brilliant btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭euser1984


    Earthhorse wrote: »
    Not in the sense that they mean it, no.

    In what sense do they mean it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Whitewinged


    Earthhorse wrote: »

    There's nothing psychopaths do of value that non psychopaths can't. Take Obama for instance; I hugely doubt the man is a psychopath but he has overseen some pretty hairy stuff in his administration. People can be detached, as for example you are, without lacking all empathy.

    I think empathy is about being in touch with your emotions and being able to predict anothers persons emotions based on your own and how you would feel in certain situations. Some people feel this in the present while its happening, others sometimes look back and evaulate and regret how they have treated people, learn from it or deny it and justify with some excuse and others just suppress and dont deal with it. But thats not no empathy. Just other ways of dealing with it. We all probably deal with it in each of these ways at some stage based on different events.

    The problem with psychopaths is that they seem to not be able to empathise at all or show very low empathy and understanding emotions. The opposite to empathy is apathy. So they have a lack of concern for other people and thats why they seem detached.

    Because they themselves are not concerned for your well being, they believe you have no concern for them. This probably instills fear and self centeredness which creates a strong need for power and control (to protect themselves from people who they believe have no concern for them) but then what you end up with is someone in power with a lack of concern for other people which is dangerous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Right then, so is it fair to say that some of the conspiracy theorists are probably correct? ...

    If they are it is only by pure blind luck. Certainly not as a result of any process of logical reasoning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭justanotherone


    psychopaths already run the world

    the average psychopath is not a serial killer

    they are the sort of person who will close down a factory without a thought about the impact on the employees their families and the klocal community

    which is why they are so sought after in big business


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Here's a part from the definition of a psychopath (these are the white collar crime smart guys you hear about) They experience diminished empathy and remorse for actions. In other words they murder somebody, it's just nothing to them. It might be like throwing a little box on the street after your finished eating the sweets out of it.

    Or starting a rumor at work about someone to make them look good. It is believed that the guys in Enron were psychopaths. The common belief that a psychopath is a crazy guy running around with a gun killing people is incorrect.

    It is widely known and studied that there are (I think) 1 in every 100 people with this condition. That means there are a few around your town, and if they wanted something they could take your life and it wouldn't bother them one bit. They are experts at pretending they are not psychopaths.

    When you get to the leadership level in business you find a much higher percentage of psychopaths than that 1%...it is actually regarded as a serious problem for hr to deal with in the workplace.....

    This book "Snakes in suits" covers what you are referring to http://www.amazon.co.uk/Snakes-Suits-When-Psychopaths-Work/dp/0061147893. But it is not a good book very repetitive!

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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