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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread
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Broke the rules yesterday on my 18mile long run again and did the whole thing fast, and without water and I used very fowl language at a passing motorist, and I saw a dead donkey dumped in a ditch.
The run was opportunistic, didnt think I'd get it in on Saturday, in fact I was working flat out from Thursday night thru to Saturday night with only 2 short sleeps in between. But I didnt want to run today Sunday, wanted to keep the Saturday as long run day, wanted to have a few scoops Saturday night and sleep-in Sunday, wanted to get it over so I could get back and finish work..... so I left the yard at work at 2pm yesterday and did 18 miles. I had hydrated well in the hours beforehand and I would have brought water with me had I been at home, and moreso having read about yesterdays tragedy, it makes me think, although no conclusions can be drawn about what happened him. Heres the splits,
7.49 out the road thinking I can do 8mins a mile today
7.35 warmed up now and sure don't the times always improve once you're loosening up, hey is that a dead donkey down there?? [memorising the place to let council now]
7.33 Two cyclists pass me on the far side going in the same direction, a motorist coming behind me overtakes them by coming over my side and scaring the bejaysus out of me as he squeezes between the bikers and me - air turns fowl as I shout at him he's a 'phuckin bo!!ox'
7.34 settled into a rythm now and reckon I'll hold this for 5 miles
7.33
7.26 plan abandoned, hope to hold now it to 13 miles to get an idea of a HM time
7.44
7.39
8.05 this was a long downhill, I ease off on these in training as I reckon they dont do the knees any good
7.32 dual carriageway here, maybe the fast traffic was helping me here? meh...
7.36 country backroads now, not even a dead donkey to distract me
7.43
7.29
7.53 few slower miles now as the road back to base takes it out on the legs and the energy is dipping
7.47
7.54 thru village and these miles all seem to be climbers until....
7.34 feeling like theres 2 quicker miles left in me I dig for them
7.30 I dont get this one, it was a quick mile but I was spent at the end and watchin the distance to register 18.00 miles so I could walk
Too fast mentors I know you say but thats based on my dream time of 3.59, but you have a different dream every night
, am going to now say 3.30 and still will be happy with sub4hrs. I get the theory that u should enjoy your first and work harder on the time in your 2nd, but theres just too much work involved in that first one that I'm getting the motivation to push. You cant hold me in contempt, I hold myself in contempt 0 -
Broke the rules yesterday on my 18mile long run again and did the whole thing fast, and without water and I used very fowl language at a passing motorist, and I saw a dead donkey dumped in a ditch.
The run was opportunistic, didnt think I'd get it in on Saturday, in fact I was working flat out from Thursday night thru to Saturday night with only 2 short sleeps in between. But I didnt want to run today Sunday, wanted to keep the Saturday as long run day, wanted to have a few scoops Saturday night and sleep-in Sunday, wanted to get it over so I could get back and finish work..... so I left the yard at work at 2pm yesterday and did 18 miles. I had hydrated well in the hours beforehand and I would have brought water with me had I been at home, and moreso having read about yesterdays tragedy, it makes me think, although no conclusions can be drawn about what happened him. Heres the splits,
7.49 out the road thinking I can do 8mins a mile today
7.35 warmed up now and sure don't the times always improve once you're loosening up, hey is that a dead donkey down there?? [memorising the place to let council now]
7.33 Two cyclists pass me on the far side going in the same direction, a motorist coming behind me overtakes them by coming over my side and scaring the bejaysus out of me as he squeezes between the bikers and me - air turns fowl as I shout at him he's a 'phuckin bo!!ox'
7.34 settled into a rythm now and reckon I'll hold this for 5 miles
7.33
7.26 plan abandoned, hope to hold now it to 13 miles to get an idea of a HM time
7.44
7.39
8.05 this was a long downhill, I ease off on these in training as I reckon they dont do the knees any good
7.32 dual carriageway here, maybe the fast traffic was helping me here? meh...
7.36 country backroads now, not even a dead donkey to distract me
7.43
7.29
7.53 few slower miles now as the road back to base takes it out on the legs and the energy is dipping
7.47
7.54 thru village and these miles all seem to be climbers until....
7.34 feeling like theres 2 quicker miles left in me I dig for them
7.30 I dont get this one, it was a quick mile but I was spent at the end and watchin the distance to register 18.00 miles so I could walk
Too fast mentors I know you say but thats based on my dream time of 3.59, but you have a different dream every night , am going to now say 3.30 and still will be happy with sub4hrs. I get the theory that u should enjoy your first and work harder on the time in your 2nd, but theres just too much work involved in that first one that I'm getting the motivation to push. You cant hold me in contempt, I hold myself in contempt
I'm exhausted just reading about your run!!!0 -
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I get the theory that u should enjoy your first and work harder on the time in your 2nd, but theres just too much work involved in that first one that I'm getting the motivation to push.
Isn't it funny how minds differ! I'm thinking exactly the opposite to you. I'm thinking that after all this hard work I'm fecked of I'm letting the enjoyment and the glory of the day be taken away by blowing up early or struggling in any way to finish. I'm really considering jogging the whole thing and putting no pressure whatsoever on myself. Finish with a big smile and take in the atmosphere.
I think I've worked so hard that I've come to realise that the marathon is not about that one day, nor about those 26.2 little miles, it's about all the days, all the hours, the millions of Feckin miles, all the sweat, all the tears, all the early nights, the earlier mornings, the Epsom salt baths, the sports massages, the black toenails, the blisters, the breakdowns, obsessiveness, the mini milestones, the limping, the realising what a stupid idea high heels are, the freaking out if you stand funny on a stone, the aches, the pains, the realising you're bat sh*t crazy. It's about getting to the start line knowing how hard you worked together there. I'm fecked if after all that, I'm going to miss a single minute of the atmosphere and the crowds and the cheering and my friends and family shouting my name just so I get get a certain time.
Next year I'll get a good time. This year I've decided I'm going to soak it all up and just enjoy it.
I may be choking up right now. I didn't even mean to type all that sorry.
Well done everyone on their races and long runs (including our very own boss lady who got a fantastic PB in her own HM this morning - sneaky woman ain't she
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I had the best long run tonight. The best run in fact that I've ever had and I'm absolutely buzzing
Sleep tight novices. This time five weeks is marathon - eve 0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »Isn't it funny how minds differ! I'm thinking exactly the opposite to you. I'm thinking that after all this hard work I'm fecked of I'm letting the enjoyment and the glory of the day be taken away by blowing up early or struggling in any way to finish. I'm really considering jogging the whole thing and putting no pressure whatsoever on myself. Finish with a big smile and take in the atmosphere.
I think I've worked so hard that I've come to realise that the marathon is not about that one day, nor about those 26.2 little miles, it's about all the days, all the hours, the millions of Feckin miles, all the sweat, all the tears, all the early nights, the earlier mornings, the Epsom salt baths, the sports massages, the black toenails, the blisters, the breakdowns, obsessiveness, the mini milestones, the limping, the realising what a stupid idea high heels are, the freaking out if you stand funny on a stone, the aches, the pains, the realising you're bat sh*t crazy. It's about getting to the start line knowing how hard you worked together there. I'm fecked if after all that, I'm going to miss a single minute of the atmosphere and the crowds and the cheering and my friends and family shouting my name just so I get get a certain time.
Next year I'll get a good time. This year I've decided I'm going to soak it all up and just enjoy it.
I may be choking up right now. I didn't even mean to type all that sorry.
Well done everyone on their races and long runs (including our very own boss lady who got a fantastic PB in her own HM this morning - sneaky woman ain't she)
I had the best long run tonight. The best run in fact that I've ever had and I'm absolutely buzzing
Sleep tight novices. This time five weeks is marathon - eve
Fecking bit of dust in the my eye there 0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »I think I've worked so hard that I've come to realise that the marathon is not about that one day, nor about those 26.2 little miles, it's about all the days, all the hours, the millions of Feckin miles, all the sweat, all the tears, all the early nights, the earlier mornings, the Epsom salt baths, the sports massages, the black toenails, the blisters, the breakdowns, obsessiveness, the mini milestones, the limping, the realising what a stupid idea high heels are, the freaking out if you stand funny on a stone, the aches, the pains, the realising you're bat sh*t crazy. It's about getting to the start line knowing how hard you worked together there. I'm fecked if after all that, I'm going to miss a single minute of the atmosphere and the crowds and the cheering and my friends and family shouting my name just so I get get a certain time.
I had the best long run tonight. The best run in fact that I've ever had and I'm absolutely buzzing
Have to say whoopsadaisydoodles, thats a great post there. Bat sh*t crazy is what we all have in common, coz theres feckall glory, fast or slow, like who remembers who comes 10th?, just the glorious feeling it must be to get over the line after 26.2 miles. Haven't done it yet, hope to though.
You also mentioned obsessiveness, its motivating you like its motivating me too.....0 -
[Deleted User] wrote: »Isn't it funny how minds differ! I'm thinking exactly the opposite to you. I'm thinking that after all this hard work I'm fecked of I'm letting the enjoyment and the glory of the day be taken away by blowing up early or struggling in any way to finish. I'm really considering jogging the whole thing and putting no pressure whatsoever on myself. Finish with a big smile and take in the atmosphere.
I think I've worked so hard that I've come to realise that the marathon is not about that one day, nor about those 26.2 little miles, it's about all the days, all the hours, the millions of Feckin miles, all the sweat, all the tears, all the early nights, the earlier mornings, the Epsom salt baths, the sports massages, the black toenails, the blisters, the breakdowns, obsessiveness, the mini milestones, the limping, the realising what a stupid idea high heels are, the freaking out if you stand funny on a stone, the aches, the pains, the realising you're bat sh*t crazy. It's about getting to the start line knowing how hard you worked together there. I'm fecked if after all that, I'm going to miss a single minute of the atmosphere and the crowds and the cheering and my friends and family shouting my name just so I get get a certain time.
Next year I'll get a good time. This year I've decided I'm going to soak it all up and just enjoy it.
I may be choking up right now. I didn't even mean to type all that sorrL y.
Well done everyone on their races and long runs (including our very own boss lady who got a fantastic PB in her own HM this morning - sneaky woman ain't she)
I had the best long run tonight. The best run in fact that I've ever had and I'm absolutely buzzing
Sleep tight novices. This time five weeks is marathon - eve
This should be bottled/printed/framed/whatever.
I get that the training had been put in and the time should follow. Doesn't always work out like that though. A million and one things outside of training can dictate whether or not you get the time your training deserves.
If it's your first time experiencing take it in. I don't think I appreciated the support until the last few years being part of the crowd.0 -
[Deleted User] wrote: »Isn't it funny how minds differ! I'm thinking exactly the opposite to you. I'm thinking that after all this hard work I'm fecked of I'm letting the enjoyment and the glory of the day be taken away by blowing up early or struggling in any way to finish. I'm really considering jogging the whole thing and putting no pressure whatsoever on myself. Finish with a big smile and take in the atmosphere.
I think I've worked so hard that I've come to realise that the marathon is not about that one day, nor about those 26.2 little miles, it's about all the days, all the hours, the millions of Feckin miles, all the sweat, all the tears, all the early nights, the earlier mornings, the Epsom salt baths, the sports massages, the black toenails, the blisters, the breakdowns, obsessiveness, the mini milestones, the limping, the realising what a stupid idea high heels are, the freaking out if you stand funny on a stone, the aches, the pains, the realising you're bat sh*t crazy. It's about getting to the start line knowing how hard you worked together there. I'm fecked if after all that, I'm going to miss a single minute of the atmosphere and the crowds and the cheering and my friends and family shouting my name just so I get get a certain time.
Next year I'll get a good time. This year I've decided I'm going to soak it all up and just enjoy it.
I may be choking up right now. I didn't even mean to type all that sorry.
Well done everyone on their races and long runs (including our very own boss lady who got a fantastic PB in her own HM this morning - sneaky woman ain't she)
I had the best long run tonight. The best run in fact that I've ever had and I'm absolutely buzzing
Sleep tight novices. This time five weeks is marathon - eve
You've hit the nail on the head. Thank you.0 -
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Well done all on all of your races and runs this weekend!!!
Ok, so I've been very lazy with writing run reports so far and given that I have enjoyed and learned lot's from reading all of yours, I think it's only fair that I do one.
Had a nice early night so when I was woken by my toddler at just before 6am, I was grand to get up and get some extra breakfast/fuel into me. I had been sick with a chest infection/sore throat for the last few days and had really hoped that the early night would have got rid of the last of it but unfortunately I didn't feel great. Usually I really look forward to races and spend the morning feeling nervously excited but this time I just felt like 'this is going to be tough - you probably shouldn't be doing this.' Not a great start...
Started off with a pint of hot water with lemon and manuka honey, which I then followed with three slices of my paleo banana bread (made up of mostly almonds, eggs and bananas!). This was then followed with a nutribullet of a concoction of fruit and greens with chia seeds and coconut water. Finally, in the car on the way to the park, I had a naked bar and a beetroot shot :eek: I think it would be fair to say that I was well fuelled.
Arrived at the park at bout 9.30. Saw Toulouse at the bag drop and said a quick hello. Chatted to a few club mates and then after seeing the Q for the toilets made a quick trip into the middle of the deep dark forest for a final wee Anybody else find they wee a lot on the morning of a race???
Did a few little strides and then trotted off to the start line where I took my place with the 1.40 pacers. If I hadn't been feeling sick, the plan would have been to go out with the pacers and then push on at mile 8/9 but I had a feeling that I would be struggling to stay with them at all.
Finally we were off and as others reported, it was very congested. Just like in the 10 mile, I lost a gel at the first roundabout, despite having bought yet another fuel belt the day before. I wasn't too worried though as i had two more. One of the pacers kindly told me I was about to lose another gel when I was halfway down the Kyber so I ended up carrying one and shoving the other one in the small part on the belt with the zip.
By the time we were at mile 2, I knew that this was not going to be a race that I would enjoy (I really enjoyed the 10 mile) and decided to take the two gels I had as I approached the first two water stations and hope that I a) didn't need the third one I had lost or b) found it when I returned to the main road. Didn't feel great taking the gels but everything has been tasting off this week so it wasn't really down to the gels as such.
At mile 7/8 I was actually thinking of just stopping. Thoughts of 'this isn't the main thing' and 'ah you poor thing, go home to bed' were going through my head. Had a little moan to one pacer that my hip was a bit sore and then the other a mile later that I had a chest infection
No sign of them taking out their worlds smallest violins so I shut up and pushed on.
As we returned to the roundabout on Chesterfield Avenue, to my delight and luck, there was my slightly squashed but intact lost gel. I grabbed it and spent the remainder of Chesterfield Avenue sipping it. When we turned on to Conyingham (too tired to figure out how that is spelt) road, I would usually try to push on and pass people one by one but I struggled to stay within a few feet of the pacers.
Turned in Chapelizod Gate and knew that we were so close and that I am usually strong on hills so I made a conscious effort to be light on my feet a 'float' up the hill. Probably didn't quite look like I was floating but before I knew it I was up it and still with the pacers. They pushed on a bit now (or maybe I slowed) but I knew they were only a few seconds ahead so I tried to distract myself and just get through the last mile. Couldn't help thinking that the pacers big red balloons were like that movie IT :eek: Decided I should probably focus on the Half Marathon and started to push on a bit again.
Finally in the home stretch, I knew I was safely just under the 1.40 so I'm not sure whether I didn't have it in my to do a sprint finish or just didn't feel up to it but anyway passed the line and with delight got my medal from club mate and off I went to meet the group.
Just thinking back over the race and I will never again run if I know I'm not well. I was probably as tired in the 2nd mile as I was in the last mile and felt crap when I got home. Taking antibiotics now and not running until Wednesday to give myself a rest. Thankfully I feel much better today.
Now I have the dilemma of what pacing group to go out with for the actual marathon. I know I could have done a better half yesterday if I hadn't been sick so maybe I could go with the 3.30 group? Or do I aim lower and go with the 3.40 and maybe enjoy it a bit more? Although the enjoyment of getting 3.30 would last longer than the actual running of the marathon.... Hmmm, sure I'm sure there will be plenty of advice on this in the next few weeks!0 -
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Overall, I was a small bit disappointed (like 1%) but after talking to frash afterwards, he has the same difficulty with the last two miles that I had which made me feel a little better (sorry, frash! )
Glad I made you feel better
I was still feeling pretty sh1t about it myself at the time!
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Thanks for all the long detailed race reports - sorry but this one will probably be a bit shorter.
I went into this HM with a PB of 2:02:41 in the same race last year and a 2:03:57 from the recent RnR HM in August (on a tougher course) so was hopeful & optimistic to finally break the 2 hour barrier.
Up at 7:40 to get the usual breakfast of champions into me before 8am (porridge with banana & hazelnut yogurt).
Hit the road early hoping to get a decent parking space but ended up about a mile away from the start so did a very gentle jog up. Still early so did another very gentle mile warm up so that was 2 slow miles & then some stretching.
I got right to the front of wave 3 and attached my invisible bungy cord to MarthaStew & Joe (they didn't notice - too busy chatting I think).
Mile Pace Cumulative Comment
1 8:50.3 8:50.3 Seemed rude not to take advantage of the opening downhill section.
2 9:10.5 18:01 Slowed slightly on the uphill and my bungy cord shortened but still all good.
3 9:04.1 27:05 On pace for the next few miles.
4 8:58.2 36:03
5 9:00.8 45:04
6 9:04.8 54:09
7 9:03.4 1:03:12 Met Toulouse, Mrs Mc & PJD here somewhere – well able to chat – still on pace – all good and going to plan.
8 9:07.3 1:12:20
9 8:58.9 1:21:18
10 8:51.9 1:30:10 Think this was the downhill before exiting the park as I remember sprinting a bit here to shorten the bungy cord.
11 9:28.0 1:39:38 Talked to Joe here somewhere. Told him I was feeling it and concerned about the upcoming hill. He said we were on pace & that they’d built up some time to allow for that hill.
12 11:50 1:51:28 MarthaStew is well ahead now with Joe holiding up the back. ‘Don’t let me pass’ he says. ‘Stay with me if you want that sub-2’. ‘Don’t let me pass’. He passed me. Nothing I could do. Almost came to a stop I was so p1ssed off but plodded along dejected.
13 12:35 2:04:03 More of the same on the next mile up the hill. Didn’t care about a PB any more. Passed a man being put into an ambulance. Didn’t realise at the time but that was the guy who died. He would have been 24 yesterday.
14 2:13.7 2:06:17 2:06:24 is the chip time
Nice to meet a lot of you there for the flapjacks (recipe please!).
Seems odd not writing this & reading other reports when I know what some of you look like! It's not so anonymous any more!
Got home & read about John McHugh dying - kind of put my non sub-2 into perspective.
I said to DG after that I couldn't imagine running another 13.1 miles after that put looking at my times I'd be running at least a minute slower on the big day (PMP=10:18) so you'd have to be able to maintain that for longer plus there's the taper whereas the schedule before the HM was full enough.
Anyway that's it (a longer report than I thought it would be!)
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For comparative purposes, I'm showing my Limerick Vs Dublin attempt before all the training for DCM
{ugh, fix table
Table doesn't want to work and I have work to do so f it!}
Limerick|Pace|Elev|Dublin|Pace|Elev
1|8:48|-27|1|9:08|-45
2|9:10|5|2|9:06|-11
3|9:23|41|3|8:55|-33
4|9:26|-6|4|9:05|26
5|9:35|-24|5|9:14|6
6|9:43|-11|6|9:15|25
7|10:15|16|7|9:06|-40
8|9:49|-32|8|9:04|3
9|10:29|40|9|8:53|-28|
10|10:56|4|10|9:01|-105
11|11:04|-10|11|9:38|-2
12|11:00|-19|12|11:05|44
13|10:35|8|13|11:10|95
.1|8:11|-5|.1|7:13|0
The consistency has improved by leaps and bounds, no doubt, and the Dublin had those large hills near the end, which Limerick didn't have. I've no doubt I could have scraped the sub 2 if not for those! Next time, as I said!
Again, I really must thank everyone for the support given to get to this point. I never thought I'd be able to get close to being able to run 13.1 miles, let alone be a bit annoyed I didn't do it in a certain time! 0 -
I think for my next half, I'm just going to start with the 1:50 pacers and fall back, rather than trying to stick with the 2 pacers.I reckon even pacing works better.
Starting off too fast could just knacker you out.Perhaps, I've tried twice to keep up with them and failed both times!
Next time though, I should be a lot fresher. No one in this group was at peak HM condition I would imagine. The mini taper helped, but we had just just two fairly intensive weeks beforehand.For comparative purposes, I'm showing my Limerick Vs Dublin attempt before all the training for DCM
{ugh, fix table
Table doesn't want to work and I have work to do so f it!}
Limerick|Pace|Elev|Dublin|Pace|Elev
1|8:48|-27|1|9:08|-45
2|9:10|5|2|9:06|-11
3|9:23|41|3|8:55|-33
4|9:26|-6|4|9:05|26
5|9:35|-24|5|9:14|6
6|9:43|-11|6|9:15|25
7|10:15|16|7|9:06|-40
8|9:49|-32|8|9:04|3
9|10:29|40|9|8:53|-28|
10|10:56|4|10|9:01|-105
11|11:04|-10|11|9:38|-2
12|11:00|-19|12|11:05|44
13|10:35|8|13|11:10|95
.1|8:11|-5|.1|7:13|0
The consistency has improved by leaps and bounds, no doubt, and the Dublin had those large hills near the end, which Limerick didn't have. I've no doubt I could have scraped the sub 2 if not for those! Next time, as I said!
Again, I really must thank everyone for the support given to get to this point. I never thought I'd be able to get close to being able to run 13.1 miles, let alone be a bit annoyed I didn't do it in a certain time!
Morning chrisald, fwiw I agree with the others, focus on starting conservatively and finishing strong, especially the longer the distance. On a shorter race, you can risk going out hard and holding on...but for anything above and including 10 miles...it's gonna end in tears! :eek:
Recover well this week and well done again!
I had a great chat with my club captain on the way back from Cork yesterday. His advice was 'patience, patience, patience'....and he's right y'know 0 -
Fixed your table: [ TABLE ] and [/ TABLE ] tags, and make sure to start the header row right behind the opening [ TABLE ] tag.
Limerick|Pace|Elev|Dublin|Pace|Elev
1|8:48|-27|1|9:08|-45
2|9:10|5|2|9:06|-11
3|9:23|41|3|8:55|-33
4|9:26|-6|4|9:05|26
5|9:35|-24|5|9:14|6
6|9:43|-11|6|9:15|25
7|10:15|16|7|9:06|-40
8|9:49|-32|8|9:04|3
9|10:29|40|9|8:53|-28|
10|10:56|4|10|9:01|-105
11|11:04|-10|11|9:38|-2
12|11:00|-19|12|11:05|44
13|10:35|8|13|11:10|95
.1|8:11|-5|.1|7:13|0
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Did anyone hear a guy take a phone call at about mile 3 I think. Was hilarious. All I heard was "oh hi, no can't talk now, I'm actually in Dublin running the half marathon, will call you later"
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