Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

5starpool · 20-09-2015 06:56PM

Vicxas wrote: »

We've gone from - 10 sh1t to - 8.

The boos from the kop were a big sign that even the faithful are tired of this malaise and uninspiring football.

Oh I agree. I don't think we'll pull out of the tailspin before he gets sacked. I think we should change the manager now but we won't. I would still prefer if performances and results did improve to the point we weren't having this debate though.

Boos at the end were a very bad sign for him, but it's not quite at the Rodgers out chants for the match going fans though. If we don't beat Villa it may well be that time though.

Caovyn Lineah · 20-09-2015 06:56PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

How far do we let it go though? You said it yourself you'd be calling for Rodgers out if the performances remain this way until Christmas so you're contradicting yourself there.

Not at all.

If things haven't turned around by Christmas then he will have had a fair crack at it with his own players. He will deserve the chop.

As it stands, it would be borderline ridiculous to get rid of him. Especially when you consider the alternatives because it sure as **** won't be Klopp or Ancelotti.

MD1990 · 20-09-2015 06:57PM

It was said by a few in the summer. Milner can be a decent player. But to gurantee him a CM position,150k a week, & Vice Captain was a very poor decision. Not signing a proper CM will kill our season.

SlickRic · 20-09-2015 06:58PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Thats so funny. "loyal to Liverpool FC" me ar$e. What part of LFC exactly are you loyal to? The owners who you've slagged off? The players who you want to discard without reference to their contractual entitlements once they are deemed to be no longer required such as Lovern, Borini and Enrique? Clearly not the manager. What part of LFC are you actually loyal to i.e. that you get behind and actually support? Do you believe in the YNWA values? If so you'd get behind poorly performing players and staff not sit on the sidelines whinging and moaning like anyone with influence on these matters would actually care. We shouldn't just sing YNWA we should live it. Supporters should support through thick and thin. If the owners decide BR needs to be replaced we should support them in that decision and get behind the new manager. The king is dead long live the king and all that. Until then let's positively critique management decisions and player performances but let's not forget we're supposed to be supportive.

Fúck sake.

Who isn't supporting the team?
Who doesn't want them to do well?

Just because I think Rodgers is a broken docket doesn't mean I don't support the club.

I fúcking hate when it's assumed you must agree and go along with what the club is doing in order to support them. Bollocks to that.

I want the players to do well. I'm on record as saying I think there are good players in that squad. I don't think they're being given the best chance to succeed because Rodgers is out of his depth now.

Nobody wants the players to do well, and the club to win games, more than me.

20-09-2015 06:58PM

Averaging a point per game since March.

Enough said

duffman13 · 20-09-2015 06:59PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Thats so funny. "loyal to Liverpool FC" me ar$e. What part of LFC exactly are you loyal to? The owners who you've slagged off? The players who you want to discard without reference to their contractual entitlements once they are deemed to be no longer required such as Lovern, Borini and Enrique? Clearly not the manager. What part of LFC are you actually loyal to i.e. that you get behind and actually support? Do you believe in the YNWA values? If so you'd get behind poorly performing players and staff not sit on the sidelines whinging and moaning like anyone with influence on these matters would actually care. We shouldn't just sing YNWA we should live it. Supporters should support through thick and thin. If the owners decide BR needs to be replaced we should support them in that decision and get behind the new manager. The king is dead long live the king and all that. Until then let's positively critique management decisions and player performances but let's not forget we're supposed to be supportive.

Liverpool have been underperforming for at least the last year. They've put together some runs but at some point in time it's OK to question the leadership of your club. It's no slight on you as a fan having the best interest of the club at heart.

Rodgers has had a summer where he bought freely and got a few players in, yet there has actually been no marked improvement after 6 games in the league if anything you appear to have gotten worse. A lot of Pool fans said they would give him time and granted 6 games isn't a lot but to play as clueless as they have this season means serious questions need to be asked.

Football clubs are seen by fans in numerous different ways, your way is not wrong as is nobody elses. I choose to look at my club objectively without tinted glasses on as to what we stand for, you appear to think differently however you are very much in the minority. Liverpool are a club who should be in the business of challenging for things, they have an outlay which suggest they should be top 4 or 5. This again doesn't like it will be achieved. I know as a manager in a completely different sector if I kept missing my numbers to an extent that Rodgers is I'd be out the door at this stage.

Osmosis Jones · 20-09-2015 06:59PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Not at all.

If things haven't turned around by Christmas then he will have had a fair crack at it with his own players. He will deserve the chop.

As it stands, it would be borderline ridiculous to get rid of him. Especially when you consider the alternatives because it sure as **** won't be Klopp or Ancelotti.

Ridiculous to get rid of a manager who has won nothing and is now in his 4th season, how so?

5starpool · 20-09-2015 06:59PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

We didn't win nothing else matters.

Don't be silly. It's the most important metric, but not the only one, at least for me anyhow.

Ultimately winning ugly is better than losing prettily, but when you have been losing ugly, drawing playing better is a straw to clutch at.

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2015 07:00PM

SlickRic · 20-09-2015 07:00PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Not at all.

If things haven't turned around by Christmas then he will have had a fair crack at it with his own players. He will deserve the chop.

As it stands, it would be borderline ridiculous to get rid of him. Especially when you consider the alternatives because it sure as **** won't be Klopp or Ancelotti.

He's had his own players for the last 15 months.

Gbear · 20-09-2015 07:01PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Everyone will have thought today was better. You'd have to be blind not to.

The malaise is unacceptable though.

And as much as we looked decent for a while today, we still looked bereft of clear ideas in the final third.

I don't think we ever looked short of ideas.

We engineered plenty of space, the overlapping was good, the short passing was good, the movement was good.

We were never really just passing the ball backwards and forwards while scratching our heads.

The execution was the problem.

Sturridge's touch was understandably loose. When he's sharp, he can easily turn those little snippets of possession he picks up in the box to thundered curling strikes into the back of the net.

Milner had a few nice chances made for him but he couldn't pull them off.
Coutinho butchered half a dozen opportunities, including the open goal he should've created for Ings.
A few times we had players on the touchline but we couldn't find the right man, even if they were unmarked.

This isn't something I even really blame the players for.
The final ball is thus far something that doesn't appear to be in Milner's skillset - I think a shorter game in Midfield or around the box would be the best use of him, rather than trying to be Steven Gerrard.

MightyMandarin · 20-09-2015 07:01PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Thats so funny. "loyal to Liverpool FC" me ar$e. What part of LFC exactly are you loyal to? The owners who you've slagged off? The players who you want to discard without reference to their contractual entitlements once they are deemed to be no longer required such as Lovern, Borini and Enrique? Clearly not the manager. What part of LFC are you actually loyal to i.e. that you get behind and actually support? Do you believe in the YNWA values? If so you'd get behind poorly performing players and staff not sit on the sidelines whinging and moaning like anyone with influence on these matters would actually care. We shouldn't just sing YNWA we should live it. Supporters should support through thick and thin. If the owners decide BR needs to be replaced we should support them in that decision and get behind the new manager. The king is dead long live the king and all that. Until then let's positively critique management decisions and player performances but let's not forget we're supposed to be supportive.

What a load of nonsense.

I'm loyal to the club, players and manager. But when it's as clear as day that they're not good enough, then get rid of them. Deeming them as not up to our standards is not being disloyal; it's being realistic. I respect them all as men, but if they're not good enough for LFC, then I'll say it.

And I'd actually spin your claims of being disloyal to the club back on you, Caovyn and the rest of the Rodgers dickriders. If you're loyal to the club, you know what our standards are, i.e. challenging for top trophies with top teams. We have only done this once in Rodgers' 4 years. If you're happy with a 25% success rate, then you clearly do not have the best interests of the club in your opinions. You have the best interests of Brendan Rodgers in your opinions.

All I'll say is, the best we can hope from this season with Rodgers in charge is a Europa League spot. We are a million miles from 4th spot with him in charge. If anyone thinks this is good enough, then they're not a Liverpool supporter. And enough of this 'wait till Christmas' bullsh*t. The way we're going, we'll be well out of contention for 4th by then.

darced · 20-09-2015 07:02PM

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SM01 · 20-09-2015 07:04PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Thats so funny. "loyal to Liverpool FC" me ar$e. What part of LFC exactly are you loyal to? The owners who you've slagged off? The players who you want to discard without reference to their contractual entitlements once they are deemed to be no longer required such as Lovern, Borini and Enrique? Clearly not the manager. What part of LFC are you actually loyal to i.e. that you get behind and actually support? Do you believe in the YNWA values? If so you'd get behind poorly performing players and staff not sit on the sidelines whinging and moaning like anyone with influence on these matters would actually care. We shouldn't just sing YNWA we should live it. Supporters should support through thick and thin. If the owners decide BR needs to be replaced we should support them in that decision and get behind the new manager. The king is dead long live the king and all that. Until then let's positively critique management decisions and player performances but let's not forget we're supposed to be supportive.

This really is strongly worded, sanctimonious, nonsensical bluster.

5starpool · 20-09-2015 07:05PM

Hah, just saw this tweet.

Nate ‏@NateGuildea 19h19 hours ago
Liverpool's leading scorer in European football in our current squad is Lucas Leiva, this is the greatest stat in the history of football.

Chris_Bradley · 20-09-2015 07:06PM

I'd say if Liverpool don't beat Villa, Rodgers will be sacked.

Caovyn Lineah · 20-09-2015 07:06PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Ridiculous to get rid of a manager who has won nothing and is now in his 4th season, how so?

So if he had win a tin pot carling cup last season nobody would be calling for his head right now? That's nonsense of the highest degree and you know it.

mav79 · 20-09-2015 07:07PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Not at all.

As it stands, it would be borderline ridiculous to get rid of him. Especially when you consider the alternatives because it sure as **** won't be Klopp or Ancelotti.

This kind of statement is ridiculous, all you have to do is look at how Dortmund are doing with practically the same team under Tuchel compared to how they were playing under Klopp. Sometimes a change is needed and imo keeping Rodgers is not going to change how the team is performing.

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2015 07:08PM

We got lucky against Stoke & Bournemouth.

We got exactly what we deserved from the Arsenal, West Ham, Bordeaux & Norwich games.

Gbear · 20-09-2015 07:08PM

darced wrote: »

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Very very thin ice.

If this is a false dawn and we can't build on this performance to something genuinely good then he's gone.
If he reverts to the puzzling lineups from earlier in the season he's gone.
If we're good but don't get the results we deserve he's still gone.

Caovyn Lineah · 20-09-2015 07:09PM

mav79 wrote: »

This kind of statement is ridiculous, all you have to do is look at how Dortmund are doing with practically the same team under Tuchel compared to how they were playing under Klopp. Sometimes a change is needed and imo keeping Rodgers is not going to change how the team is performing.

Feck it, Rodgers out Tuchel in.

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2015 07:14PM

The FSG board room should look at wholesale changes.

Ayre out replaced by Nicola Cortese.

Rodgers team out and if Klopp isn't FSG choice then Emery and Monchi should be looked at big time.

Fowler87 · 20-09-2015 07:16PM

5starpool wrote: »

Hah, just saw this tweet.

Against Bucharest in 2010 Uefa Cup in case anyone (like me) is bothered.

Fowler87 · 20-09-2015 07:18PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Averaging a point per game since March.

Enough said

Time to go BR

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2015 07:19PM

Tipsy McSwagger · 20-09-2015 07:19PM

Next 5 games:

Aston Villa (H)
Everton (A)
Tottenham (A)
Southampton (H)
Chelsea (A)

We will probably draw against Villa and lose the other 4 games.

Caovyn Lineah · 20-09-2015 07:20PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Next 5 games:

Aston Villa (H)
Everton (A)
Tottenham (A)
Southampton (H)
Chelsea (A)

We will probably draw against Villa and lose the other 4 games.

I say we will win all 5 of them 6-0

mosstin · 20-09-2015 07:22PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I don't listen to his pre or post match interviews anymore. I don't listen to his press conferences. He's been saying the same things for the past 12 months and we've been getting incrementally worse.
It'll all be over soon enough.

Jon Stark · 20-09-2015 07:22PM

Gbear wrote: »

Coutinho's all round game is still very good. He's a huge part of putting teams on the back foot.

But his decision making has been ****ing atrocious this season.

He's putting too much pressure on himself to be the match winner.

This is the kind of thing I loath about this thread.

Coutinho's decision making has always been suspect. His inconsistency isn't new either. But it's new now that it suits the trend on the thread,

What a farce.

K-9 · 20-09-2015 07:26PM

3 draws and 2 losses in the last 5 games.

Very hard to defend that mediocrity.

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