Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

In football you are only as good as your last 4 games tops. I'm not defending Rodgers, he must know how important that clash was yesterday, to approach it the way he did, to surrender before a whistle was blown, to play with no fight with no intention to even try was unforgivable. He made that decision no one else, that decision to concede possession to play for a 0-0, to have no intention to play.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

By the way lads, what I'd love is for Klopp / Ancelotti to come in and us all to get behind him and strap ourselves in for the ride collectively. I feel like we've been arguing about managers ever since I started posting on here over eight year's ago with the thread constantly split into factions the whole way through.

Monk / Pardew would only split us again. I'm tired. I long for the good times under Rafa, or even the 2000 - 2002 period under Houllier.

I'd take a sabbatical from Football if Pardew was appointed.

Deadly serious.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Chelsea have conceded 17 goals in last 8 league games, it doesn't mean they should sack Jose. The East Bacon result was far worse than losing to Man U 3-1 , we had great chances to make it 1-1 before that penalty.

East bacon ??

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

to surrender before a whistle was blown, to play with no fight with no intention to even try was unforgivable.

Then just don't forgive him. He looks like he's on autopilot.

"Would you like to auto-fill the team sheet?"
"You have selected Yes"
"A lot of your players are not playing in their desired positions, do you wish to continue?"
"You have selected Yes"
"Would you like to choose a new approach for this game, or use the last used approach?"
"You have selected the previously used approach, KICK BALL IN GOAL"
"Warning, Lovren Selected, do yo wish to continue?"
"You have selected Yes, are you sure you would like to continue?"
"You have selected Yes, I'm trying to help you out here mate, so I'll ask you again..."

We had a perfect stage for Ings and Firmino to shine, a huge pitch a huge crowd an intense
atmosphere, both instructed to drop into midfield to play as close as possible to left and right back. To see that and to see Benteke so frustrated was embarrassing, United were vulnerable yesterday a more positive approach was needed.

You know what? Rodgers is managing a club in the 1% of the 1%. That is what Liverpool Football Club represents. He is competing at the absolute upper echelon of his field. As such, he deserved the praise he got when leading Liverpool to a title race, against the odds, and as such, he deserves the criticism and flak right now.

That's what happens when you're at the top. A king when it goes right, and out on your ass when you get it wrong. The stakes are high.

He may go on to be a league winning manager in time, or he may not. The likelihood of either is as of now, from our perspective, pointless conjecture. Simple fact of it is, he has now used up every excuse, every brownie point, or +1 life/Mario mushroom, that the 2013/2014 campaign brought him. To keep him much longer is to admit that you're no longer competing with those clubs of a once similar stature to Liverpool. That standards are slipping.

I was pissed when Rodgers was first signed, but I quickly changed my tone and put my support behind him. Largely on the fence the first year, but not knowing any plausible alternative, I was happy to give him time.

His 2nd year, was incredible. One of the best striking partnerships of the last decade, if not a lot more, brought us over 50 league goals and to the brink of a PL title.

Last season, was largely dour. Reminiscent of Rafa's last year, tbh. This season, Rodgers has once again shown that he no longer abides by the principles he shouted from the rooftops when he first came in. Death by Football has been replaced with play by fear. We don't attack like before as we're afraid of being exposed at the back. We play two strikers and a CAM, and put two of them out wide in a 4-3-3. Regularly. We take an attacking left back who shows promise, and replace him with a right footed center back in order to compensate for our laughing stock center back, Dejan Lovren.

These are not the the actions that I think Brendan Rodgers of 12/13 or 13/14 would condone, I genuinely don't. The pressure is now too much for him and his back is to the wall. Perhaps he doesn't have the wiggle room or the brownie points to get away with losing while playing well, but he's lost the confidence in himself, and the team, to do so regardless.

This is top tier stuff, and very few in any field, can handle it. He looks like he's just not ready for it in its entirety right now. It cannot be Liverpool Football Club's place to find out if he ever will be, because its already getting too late. If we want to be a Big Club, fighting for all honours, we need to start from the top down and get our attitude right. Too many ****ing cowards are around this club right now. Staff, players, management. Its in our ****ing core.

This can't go on.

ush wrote: »

How bad does it have to get before they move him on? Some very average teams have the perfect chance to take LFC apart. This is going to get a lot worse.

Some average teams have already taken us apart in recent months. Palace, Stoke, West Ham, Man U.

Ive also giving up on rodgers. I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt last season as a couple of things went against him like sturridge being injured. The start of this season has been dreadful that 1st half yesterday was embarassing. The set up of the team is all wrong. If he is going to play without wingers of which we only have Ibe anyway he needs to start moreno over gomez our attacking play is so predictable everything comes inside. Why sign benteke if you arent going to play to his strengths.
Im not sure any changes he makes are going to work as the balance in the squad is all wrong.
433 no wingers bar Ibe and then the left side has been players that are right footed.
If he switches to a diamond he has to play moreno(who has been poor) but there is no way Lucas can be the deepest midfielder as he doesnt have the legs to play in that system.
I honestly think he will be gone by the end of October. We are currently the worst team to watch in the league.
On yesterdays game Utd werent great but atleast they tried to play and you could see what they were attempting to do.

I wanted him gone after the Stoke game in May, but seeing as the club backed him to the tune of 80 odd million pounds over the summer, he should now get more than 5 games this season.

Patience isn't limitless though, and if there's no improvement in performances by November, I'd be looking to bring in Klopp.

Of course, a change in manager alone won't sort out our problematic recruitment policy, which is undoubtedly a factor in Rodgers' struggles.

s8n wrote: »

Why call them East bacon then ??

I presume it was an attempt at humour, I don't know though I didn't write it.

corwill wrote: »

When Reading gave him the bullet in 2009, they came in for a lot of criticism for not giving him time and jumping the gun. There was a quote from the Reading CEO, might have been Nigel Howe, from a while later that that I saw a few months ago that stayed with me, and I've been thinking about it a lot the last few weeks.

I tried googling for it there now, but couldn't find it. It was something along the lines that it wasn't so much the results that prompted the decision to sack Rodgers, but more the manner of the performances and the total confusion on the club's part at his team selections, tactics and game management. They literally could not understand what Rodgers's thinking was, and it disturbed them to the point that they couldn't trust him to turn it around.

Sounds dreadfully familiar.

...from a Reading fan

That's worrying...

Grayditch wrote: »

Then just don't forgive him. He looks like he's on autopilot.

"Would you like to auto-fill the team sheet?"
"You have selected Yes"
"A lot of your players are not playing in their desired positions, do you wish to continue?"
"You have selected Yes"
"Would you like to choose a new approach for this game, or use the last used approach?"
"You have selected the previously used approach, KICK BALL IN GOAL"
"Warning, Lovren Selected, do yo wish to continue?"
"You have selected Yes, are you sure you would like to continue?"
"You have selected Yes, I'm trying to help you out here mate, so I'll ask you again..."