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Vicxas · 01-09-2015 03:10PM

EoinHef wrote: »

Been reading up on this the last day or two,be interested to see how it plays out. If its black and white and async compute wont run on nvidia hardware,nividia will have really screwed the pooch. Its only one aspect on DX12,but from the disscusion im reading its a fairly big part of it.

And that without even factoring in the fact that they would have known it and still advertised full DX12 compatibility. All that rubbish they spoke about working closely with MS on DX12 could have been/probably was b****x.

Its still a bit early to judge though imo,theres more data needed and one or two benchmarks certainly dont make up an adaquete sample size.

One thing it wont do is help people trying to get rid of maxwell cards over the next year or two second hand,if proven to be accurate id say it will really push down the value of maxwell based cards

It cant be 100% true though, if it is its complete and utter stupidity from Nvidia.

They have known about DX12 for how long now?! And they just blind refuse to support it (essentially) or Async!? something just doesnt add up

Links234 · 01-09-2015 03:39PM

Well, MGSV is the first preorder I've done in a long, long time and damn, no regrets at all!

It is incredidble, it works perfectly and there's no issues. Say what you want about Konami, they know how to deliver a working product, on time.

Revoker88 · 01-09-2015 03:42PM

Vicxas wrote: »

It cant be 100% true though, if it is its complete and utter stupidity from Nvidia.

They have known about DX12 for how long now?! And they just blind refuse to support it (essentially) or Async!? something just doesnt add up

Yeah i want to let the story develop a bit more before making my opinion also. Going one way or the other would seem a little premature at this stage for me. Not enough data out there yet for a clear conclusion.

At the moment its people going round in circles and crazy claims etc on reddit and various comment sections and boards. But from what reasoned debate ive been able to tease from the swathes of dross there seems to be some truth in it but there is just not enough data to really get to exactly whats going on.

Nvidia's response,if any,will be interesting.

dreamers75 · 01-09-2015 03:56PM

Links234 wrote: »

Say what you want about Konami, they know how to deliver a working product, on time.

Bought Zeros the other day and it wouldnt launch

And dont get me started on Pro Evo....you got lucky with MGSV

gizmo · 01-09-2015 04:02PM

Vicxas wrote: »

It cant be 100% true though, if it is its complete and utter stupidity from Nvidia.

They have known about DX12 for how long now?! And they just blind refuse to support it (essentially) or Async!? something just doesnt add up

The devil is in the detail or, to be more precise, feature levels and the tier-based capabilites required for each one.

In the case of async compute, as far as I can see, it's not actually part of the DX12 specification, it's merely exposed via D3D12, so nVidia could claim "full support" for DX12 thanks to Maxwell 2.0 being FL 12_1 compliant, but not natively support said functionality. As for things that are in the spec, AMD are somewhat more honest in this respect when they say that no current chipset offers "full support" for DX12. This is probably in reference to the fact that GCN don't support FL 12_1 since support for Rasterizer Ordered Views and Conservative Rasterization is mandatory at that level.

nesf · 02-09-2015 05:15AM

Didn't we have plenty of problems with cards years ago that were "DX10 ready" or whatever but which lacked the grunt to actually make use out of new DX10 bells and whistles in real world scenarios and the whole thing was just pointless marketing crap?

gizmo · 02-09-2015 10:19AM

nesf wrote: »

Didn't we have plenty of problems with cards years ago that were "DX10 ready" or whatever but which lacked the grunt to actually make use out of new DX10 bells and whistles in real world scenarios and the whole thing was just pointless marketing crap?

It appears to be an attempt by the respective marketing departments to both simplify the technical aspect of the various feature levels and hide any hardware-based inadequacies of the cards currently available. The article over at ExtremeTech summarises as follows..

The issue has been further confused by claims that Maxwell is the only GPU on the market to support “full” DirectX 12. While it’s true that Maxwell is the only GPU that supports DirectX 12_1, AMD is the only company offering full Tier 3 resource binding and asynchronous shaders for simultaneous graphics and compute. That doesn’t mean AMD or Nvidia is lying — it means that certain features and capabilities of various cards are imperfectly captured by feature levels and that calling one GPU or another “full” DX12 misses this distinction. Intel, for example, offers ROV at the 11_1 feature level — something neither AMD nor Nvidia can match.

Ultimately it appears that while Maxwell 2 features higher DX12 feature level support than GCN, the latter has a more pronounced architectural advantage when it comes to real world performance using the new functionality exposed. As EoinHef said above, it's a little too early to call this either way and the only thing really guaranteed for now is the large amount of **** that's going to get flung by fans on both sides.

Turtwig · 02-09-2015 01:35PM

First off thanks a bundle to everyone who contributed opinions and suggestions on how I could fix my GTA V problem. Sorry I wasn't able to reply all your helpful stuff earlier. It might be my graphics card, obviously I cannot rule out anything with certainty.

As things stand, I've found a way to get rid of all the pop-in it's not anywhere near a perfect solution though. First though a brief recap:

First thing I did was reduce VRAM usage down to the bare minimum. Set everything, including resolution, to ridiculously low settings. No difference, texture pop in still occurred in built up areas when driving fast. At some particular moments all the textures would disappear. So I cranked everything back up to near max. The amazing thing here is that all this did was cause notable frame drops in areas with large amounts of grass. Reducing a few textures details and grass quality solved this. In other words, I can run the game near max with no frame rate slow down and it plays perfectly until I drive fast, for a while, in an urban area. Particularly, that place with lots of motorway overpasses just before the main international airport. Once in those sort of areas textures can take quite some time to load in. However, if I pass the game to check the map, or just well pause the game, textures have loaded into the game for a bit of a distance and I'd have to drive for a few moments again at high speed until the issue re-occurs.

From googling (someone here also linked to similar) I checked the integrity of the files on Steam. Again, no difference. I tried switching the CPU priority to 'High' this reduced the effects somewhat but didn't entirely get rid of the problem. Amazingly, altering the CPU affinity to restrict GTA V to just 3 processers, leaving one free, "fixes" the problem. The solution comes at a cost. There is noticeable micro stutter in the frame rate when playing. Switching to adaptive Vsync, or capping to 30fps, doesn't really do anything to remove it. The game is definitely playable with the stutter, it's just not as as smooth to look at it. Seeing as I'm so close now to having it run smoothly, I'm not going to give this up. Trying to figure out why the fack restricting a core actually makes things better?

Googling led to the theory that leaves the CPU free to load textures from the SSD drive. So, I guess my next step is to free up drive space and optimise the SSD for maximum performance. (As things stands it's currently 91% full)

Overheal · 02-09-2015 04:37PM

Tom Clancy Humble Bundle up, and it looks like a steal

Turtwig · 02-09-2015 05:02PM

That list is absolutely superb!

Kiith · 02-09-2015 07:59PM

They aren't including a server browser for Battlefront. What an idiotic decision by Dice.

http://www.pcgamer.com/star-wars-battlefront-has-no-server-browser/

Vicxas · 02-09-2015 08:08PM

Kiith wrote: »

They aren't including a server browser for Battlefront. What an idiotic decision by Dice.

http://www.pcgamer.com/star-wars-battlefront-has-no-server-browser/

I smell CoD-esque peer to peer crap ahoy.

d31b0y · 03-09-2015 06:50AM

Overheal wrote: »

Tom Clancy Humble Bundle up, and it looks like a steal

What's everyone's feeling on uplay? I'm worried that if I buy this bundle, it will sit within uplay to be forgotten about forever.
EDIT: just saw the bargain thread and it seems uplay is a bag of mickeys.

Wossack · 03-09-2015 09:00AM

better then it was, but its the worst of the origin/steam/uplay trio

wouldnt make me stop buying ubi games however..

Dard23 · 03-09-2015 09:25AM

d31b0y wrote:

What's everyone's feeling on uplay? I'm worried that if I buy this bundle, it will sit within uplay to be forgotten about forever. EDIT: just saw the bargain thread and it seems uplay is a bag of mickeys.

Don't beat the average just get the basic pack, at least then it's costing nearly nothing and you have a few days to use Uplay and decide for yourself if you wanna fork out for the rest.

john the one · 03-09-2015 11:31AM

d31b0y wrote: »

What's everyone's feeling on uplay? I'm worried that if I buy this bundle, it will sit within uplay to be forgotten about forever.
EDIT: just saw the bargain thread and it seems uplay is a bag of mickeys.

It would want to be a very special game for me to buy from the uplay store. I uninstalled all my uplay games as its absolutely woeful.

Turtwig · 03-09-2015 11:34AM

To be fair it is a special list and Uplay is no where near as bad as people are making out. I say this as someone who had Conviction steal save files in me over and over. Steam, Origin and Uplay all had growing pains. The only thing annoying about Uplay is that it launches after you've launched steam. But then again at least it still cooperates with steam unlike origin. Although I have to say I rather like Origin.

Overheal · 03-09-2015 10:36PM

I've played UPlay games (Anno 2070 eg.) never had a conniption with the service.

john the one · 04-09-2015 04:44AM

Overheal wrote: »

I've played UPlay games (Anno 2070 eg.) never had a conniption with the service.

Nah nor did I until recently. I'm not a hater to uplay, I just won't use it unless something special draws me back.

Like, surely they know it's a horrible interface so that annoys me more than it actually being a horrible interface.

Anyways, I'm stopping commenting, don't wanna be known as the guy who hates on uplay!

Wossack · 04-09-2015 10:35AM

huh, I was certain your username was short for 'john the one who hates on uplay' :pac:

dreamers75 · 04-09-2015 09:41PM

Have my PC 10 months an only found out about the AMD Super Resolution today, it can run games in 1440p and higher and downsample them.

I quite happy with 1080p monitor but this option is genius

Revoker88 · 04-09-2015 09:53PM

Most games now i run with the gpu control panel controlling the settings. Really does help performance in my case aswell. Running 1440p myself so im not using downsampling but ive found using gpu controlled settings for AA,texture resolution,post processing etc to be very effective.

Im on a 970,so need to squueze out performance where i can at 1440p and found using the control panel very effective. Geforce experience optimization is terrible though,some absolutely crazy settings it comes up with some times. If i use it to "optimise" Arma 3 i get sub 30 fps gameplay,good job Nvidia!!

But used manually through control panel application setting i get a good boost in image quality without performance loss,sometimes better image and better performance. Really shows up some unoptimized settings in some games.

Oh and Ive found vsync to work a lot better when controlled from the control panel as well,adaptive works really well at 1440p 96Hz,far from getting 96Hz stable in a lot of games i play but drops in framerate are handled ver well with adaptive vsync from what ive seen. Even got rid of hitching in GTA V for me.

salamanca22 · 04-09-2015 10:48PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Have my PC 10 months an only found out about the AMD Super Resolution today, it can run games in 1440p and higher and downsample them.

I quite happy with 1080p monitor but this option is genius

It was only introduced a month or so back.

dreamers75 · 04-09-2015 10:53PM

salamanca22 wrote: »

It was only introduced a month or so back.

that makes me feel better, cheers :pac:

Links234 · 04-09-2015 10:58PM

Does anyone else find that trailer music can really interest them in a game? I remember being seriously hyped for Dishonored, and it was the music that was the big hook for me initially:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcSc4uBc3nQ

Likewise, Styx:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hzz2AdLZgg

dreamers75 · 04-09-2015 11:03PM

I recall being so excited for a game that a trailer for the game annoyed me greatly.

Skerries · 05-09-2015 10:45AM

the game or the trailer annoyed you?

pablomakaveli · 05-09-2015 11:33AM

Links234 wrote: »

Does anyone else find that trailer music can really interest them in a game? I remember being seriously hyped for Dishonored, and it was the music that was the big hook for me initially:

I felt that way about Dead Island. Brilliant trailer, really mediocre game.

nesf · 05-09-2015 05:44PM

Links234 wrote: »

Does anyone else find that trailer music can really interest them in a game?

Of course, poor sound design can make it really hard to get behind a game you know you want and good sound design can make you pay attention to a game that you would otherwise give no attention. It's like Blizzard cinematic trailers, I know people who never play Blizzard games but who will always want to be told when a new trailer comes out.

My father (really not a gamer) after watching this asked "Why haven't they made a movie about this?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCr7y4SLhck

It's very standard fantasy/LOTR style music but it's still good for this trailer I think.

nesf · 05-09-2015 05:48PM

Whereas this was way too "try-hard" for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecv0bT9DEo

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