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Promiscuous relationships - good idea?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 367 ✭✭justchecked


    If you make a pact with your partner that she can have one night stands with as many men (or women) as she likes and you can do the same with as many women as you like but you will stay together would this actually make a relationship better in your view?

    Or is it total no, no?

    Cos I can see the side of the argument that this strategy might be preferable to maintaining a relationship than "accidents" further down the road. It's more based on honesty and trust starting out like this. No?

    Not going to work.
    If I saw no username I'd still be sure that it was a man who wrote this question.

    Women work differently - sure they like to shag, and thats groovy baby, but they don't think in the way men do, which is shag shag shag, its got tits shag it.
    The idea of being able to shag around is more attractive to a male who wishes to carelessly sew his seeds hither and thither and then have a beer job done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    "So I boned this hot guy/girl last night and they had the best body..." Isn't going to go down too well with the majority of people.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you make a pact with your partner that she can have one night stands with as many men (or women) as she likes and you can do the same with as many women as you like but you will stay together would this actually make a relationship better in your view?


    How come the female partner gets to sleep with men and women, but the male partner only gets to sleep with women?

    Seems a little unfair that one gets twice as many potentials as the other. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    If I wanted to sleep with other people I wouldn't get into a relationship in the first place!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Candie wrote: »
    How come the female partner gets to sleep with men and women, but the male partner only gets to sleep with women?

    Seems a little unfair that one gets twice as many potentials as the other. :(
    Yea. She should only be allowed sleep with women too!


    :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    It depends OP.On a looks scale of 1-10,would you rate you self higher than your ladyfriend?Or would she be considered the more attractive half of the union?If she is,be a man,put your foot down,voice your disgust at her lacklustre morals and put the issue to bed,for want of a better term.If,however most people would consider you to be the more attractive of you both, go and fill your boots.Your wife sounds really nice.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 367 ✭✭justchecked


    It depends OP.On a looks scale of 1-10,would you rate you self higher than your ladyfriend?Or would she be considered the more attractive half of the union?If she is,be a man,put your foot down,voice your disgust at her lacklustre morals and put the issue to bed,for want of a better term.If,however most people would consider you to be the more attractive of you both, go and fill your boots.Your wife sounds really nice.

    she could be a wreck and he could be a model, she'd still hands down win in number of shags.

    sex is a casual choice for women. theres never scarcity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭Kaiser Sosay


    Destined to never end well and best avoided imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    she could be a wreck and he could be a model, she'd still hands down win in number of shags.

    sex is a casual choice for women. theres never scarcity.
    I agree with the first part,but the phenomenon of hoardes of young women hitting the town together of an evening with the sole intention of bringing someone home and getting their hole at the end of the night is not a new one. Ever been to Waterford? Unless the chap in question is extremely socially awkward his odds of getting the ride are on a par with most women,if he knows the nature his game(Which any gentleman toying around with the notion of an open relationship most definitely should)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    she could be a wreck and he could be a model, she'd still hands down win in number of shags.

    sex is a casual choice for women. theres never scarcity.

    Never understood this reasoning. At the end of a Friday night in Coppers, the number of straight women getting their hole is the same as the number of straight men.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    newacc2015 wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with open relationships. You get all the emotional support from your SO and still the thrill of sex from sleeping with other people. You cant expect to have the same adventurous sex from the same person for 30 years. It will feel repetitive and like a chore after a while. Some couples just need to mix it up

    The risk of STIs is minimised with condoms. So that really shouldnt be a concern. You are statistically more likely as a gay man to get HIV from an "exclusive relationship", than having a ton of one night stands. A cheating partner is most likely to give you HIV, having sex with strangers using condoms. Open relationship should have rules to cover the likes of this

    First Ive heard about that. Care to enlighten us as to why this might be?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭anothernight


    It actually works very well for some couples. Having permission to have sex with other people doesn't actually mean having sex with everyone. There's as many types of open relationship as types of 'regular' relationships. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Overall, women can get sex more easily than men (so much nuance when you drill down though) but to say any woman who is "wrecked" would get more sex than any male model is just nonsense.
    If something is such a true phenomenon, it doesn't need ludicrous exaggerations to articulate it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I would hate to have an open relationship because Im too insecure and self conscious. Id be worried they'd find somebody more attractive than me and want to be in a relationship with them instead..so I'd rather just not go there.
    Apart from the fact that I think sex is a very private thing and I don't enjoy having sex with anybody whom I don't have an emotional attachment with .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,850 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Never understood this reasoning. At the end of a Friday night in Coppers, the number of straight women getting their hole is the same as the number of straight men.

    Yeah, but some men take home the majority of the women because they're total legends and the slags can't get enough of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    she could be a wreck and he could be a model, she'd still hands down win in number of shags.

    sex is a casual choice for women. theres never scarcity.

    mod: less of the sexism if you'd like to continue posting in the thread


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 367 ✭✭justchecked


    Overall, women can get sex more easily than men (so much nuance when you drill down though) but to say any woman who is "wrecked" would get more sex than any male model is just nonsense.
    If something is such a true phenomenon, it doesn't need ludicrous exaggerations to articulate it.

    No theres no real nuance about it, and I was correct in my initial post.
    Its not a phenomenon its fact and the explanation need not be exaggerated to prove it.

    Nor is it sexist. Its a general truth, sure you'll find the odd exception, but overall it stands as fact.

    If you don't believe me go do some basic research on mating strategies and sexual economics.

    Not that you should need to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    No theres no real nuance about it, and I was correct in my initial post.
    Its not a phenomenon its fact and the explanation need not be exaggerated to prove it.

    Nor is it sexist. Its a general truth, sure you'll find the odd exception, but overall it stands as fact.

    If you don't believe me go do some basic research on mating strategies and sexual economics.

    Not that you should need to.

    There is nuance to it. At a very basic level a Melissa Mc Carthy lookalike does not have easier access to sex than someone who looks like Zayn Malik. That's just nonsense. Those are extreme examples but you can't say that any woman will definitely have easier access to sex than any man without accounting for age, appearance, personality and location.

    Even beyond that, evolutionary psychology is not the hard science that people are determined to present it as.

    I'm ok looking, and I when I was single I used to go out on the pull and could be very forward about it. Struck out, frequently.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 367 ✭✭justchecked


    There is nuance to it. At a very basic level a Melissa Mc Carthy lookalike does not have easier access to sex than someone who looks like Zayn Malik. That's just nonsense. Those are extreme examples but you can't say that any woman will definitely have easier access to sex than any man without accounting for age, appearance, personality and location.

    Even beyond that, evolutionary psychology is not the hard science that people are determined to present it as.

    I'm ok looking, and I when I was single I used to go out on the pull and could be very forward about it. Struck out, frequently.

    Thats taking the nuance thing a bit far.

    I mean technically we can say that a female model on an isolated island in the pacific proves that theres nuances which disproves my earlier post.

    But if you take away extremes the general rule will be evident.
    This rule exists because of physiological differences, and differences in reproductive capacity between the genders.

    As for appearance and personality, again extreme cases excluded, neither are really required for a woman to obtain sex.


    In my humble opinion, and this is not intended to be in any way a sexist remark and I apologize 1000 times if anyone should perceive it as such, we're all equal and deserve equal treatment ....

    but if you have ever struck out as an adult female, and you live somewhere other than a remote deserted island and are in any way still fertile... then in my humble opinion which can be wrong .... it was through your own choice alone, granted there are exceptions, but as a general rule if you're female and legal age then sex is/was available to you on a 24/7 basis.

    The above paragraph is not intended to offend and I apologize if it did. Everyone is 100% equal in all ways, no exceptions, even people from Sligo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    I don't think it's sexist and I do agree it's easier for women to "acquire" sex, but no way do I believe any woman who's not visually/sexually appealing to men will get sex more easily than a male model, which is what you said.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    The risk of STDs is always overstated. If you can't be good be careful. If you're sleeping around do the responsible thing:

    Use a condom
    Get regular tests

    The vast majority of STDs are easily treated. The chances of HIV are very low indeed if you practise safe sex.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 367 ✭✭justchecked


    I don't think it's sexist and I do agree it's easier for women to "acquire" sex, but no way do I believe any woman who's not visually/sexually appealing to men will get sex more easily than a male model, which is what you said.

    Then we disagree.

    Also I think it was who'd tally the higher number of shags.

    Women, in general, take a man through more than a visual checklist so our male model will overall require a longer time period per shag.

    Men generally have a shorter checklist so in any given day all other things being equal, our unattractive lady will have a quicker rate/higher number.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Thats taking the nuance thing a bit far.

    I mean technically we can say that a female model on an isolated island in the pacific proves that theres nuances which disproves my earlier post.

    But if you take away extremes the general rule will be evident.
    This rule exists because of physiological differences, and differences in reproductive capacity between the genders.

    As for appearance and personality, again extreme cases excluded, neither are really required for a woman to obtain sex.

    An unattractive woman is not going to have an easier time getting sex than a very attractive man! Next time you're in a club look for the best looking man and the worst looking woman, see who has more people hanging off them.
    In my humble opinion, and this is not intended to be in any way a sexist remark and I apologize 1000 times if anyone should perceive it as such, we're all equal and deserve equal treatment ....

    but if you have ever struck out as an adult female, and you live somewhere other than a remote deserted island and are in any way still fertile... then in my humble opinion which can be wrong .... it was through your own choice alone, granted there are exceptions, but as a general rule if you're female and legal age then sex is/was available to you on a 24/7 basis.

    The above paragraph is not intended to offend and I apologize if it did. Everyone is 100% equal in all ways, no exceptions, even people from Sligo.

    Here, I'm not saying you're sexist, just wrong, and I'd trust my own experience over your opinion, no offence meant. I'm an adult female, and in my late teens and early twenties I sometimes could not get sex in a city when I went looking for it. Now probably if I had deliberately sought out young and/or very physically unattractive men I may have had better luck, but you could say the same for men, and at that point what IS the point? Better off going home and taking care of things myself.

    This actually came up on reddit some time back, and men were saying that women had come up to them very blatantly offering sex, but they thought there had to be some catch/had a girlfriend/weren't attracted to her, so they turned her down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    Get a room guys. With the permission of your other halves, of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    Definitely wouldn't enter into an open relationship, wayyyyyyyyyy too much room for some kind of power imbalance to form or it to turn into some kind of contest.

    A few years down the line when you've (hopefully) got a very good idea of what each other are like it, I could imagine it being quite workable. The idea of having to keep regularly having sex with someone a few years down the line seems a bit hellish to me so if the relationship was otherwise fairly healthy and the solution was letting them look around elsewhere, go for it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 367 ✭✭justchecked


    An unattractive woman is not going to have an easier time getting sex than a very attractive man! Next time you're in a club look for the best looking man and the worst looking woman, see who has more people hanging off them.



    Here, I'm not saying you're sexist, just wrong, and I'd trust my own experience over your opinion, no offence meant. I'm an adult female, and in my late teens and early twenties I sometimes could not get sex in a city when I went looking for it. Now probably if I had deliberately sought out young and/or very physically unattractive men I may have had better luck, but you could say the same for men, and at that point what IS the point? Better off going home and taking care of things myself.

    This actually came up on reddit some time back, and men were saying that women had come up to them very blatantly offering sex, but they thought there had to be some catch/had a girlfriend/weren't attracted to her, so they turned her down.


    I can almost guarantee that you had access to sex on every single one of those nights that you went home alone.
    Street prostitution most probably existed in whichever city it was that you were in, so not only could you probably have obtained sex as matter of choice you potentially could have been paid for it. Not that you'd even have to go to that extreme.
    The point is exactly what I said it was - sex is a casual choice for women.

    I think what yourself and cwk can't conceive is an idea of sex with any readily available partner, I think the minute this idea arises in womans minds an involuntary defense mechanism goes off and the subject digresses to how the men available were young, drunk, unsuitable for various reasons etc.

    But I never speculated on suitability of partners, just raw numbers. Thats what you need to try to imagine, without following the instinct to be disgusted at the concept.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    But if men were willing to take 'any available partner' then they could get sex too, hell they could find paid-for sex easier than a woman could. And if a man is attractive, his pool of available partners is going to go up. And if a woman is unattractive, her pool of available partners is going to go down. A very attractive man has more chance of sex than an unattractive woman. An unattractive man has more chance of a sexual relationship with an attractive woman than vice versa.

    My point is, this is a situation with nuance and lots of it. Perhaps resist the instinct to see all situations in this arena as black and white ones wherein women have a perpetual sexual advantage and you'll be able to accept that


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 436 ✭✭Old Jakey


    she could be a wreck and he could be a model, she'd still hands down win in number of shags.

    sex is a casual choice for women. theres never scarcity.

    If a woman wants the ride all she has to do is look pretty and stand at the bar. Or just go on Tinder.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 367 ✭✭justchecked


    But if men were willing to take 'any available partner' then they could get sex too, hell they could find paid-for sex easier than a woman could. And if a man is attractive, his pool of available partners is going to go up. And if a woman is unattractive, her pool of available partners is going to go down. A very attractive man has more chance of sex than an unattractive woman. An unattractive man has more chance of a sexual relationship with an attractive woman than vice versa.

    My point is, this is a situation with nuance and lots of it. Perhaps resist the instinct to see all situations in this arena as black and white ones wherein women have a perpetual sexual advantage and you'll be able to accept that

    Unless you're bringing non heterosexual sex into the equation then your first sentence is simply incorrect.
    A heterosexual male will normally only in very rare cases be paid for sex by a woman
    If you truly want to be pedantic about my initial analogy then I'll point you in the direction of male sexual performance and recovery time limitations.

    "A very attractive man has more chance of sex than an unattractive woman."

    - This I disagree with. If I was an unattractive female dropped in a random city I could get laid within an hour. (simply walk to the right street corner if nothing else).
    And although this is also achievable for a very attractive male, without the advantage of celebrity/pre-approval, it remains not equally achievable*.


    *for heterosexual sex.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Old Jakey wrote: »
    If a woman wants the ride all she has to do is look pretty and stand at the bar.
    Thought she could get the ride even when wrecked-looking? Even more chance than a male model?


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