Are there any landlords at all taking RAS anymore

Stheno · 24-08-2015 10:12PM

Silverbling wrote: »

If there was a solution to my problems by moving down the country I would take it but also why should we?

I was paying 4 figures a month in taxes, we have lived here for years, my kids should not have to move school because the government have lost the run of themselves

But you can't afford to live there now. Surely moving somewhere you can afford, and reorganising your support network is better than your kids living in a garage?

Silverbling wrote: »

€1400 is including the €975 rent allowance they they have now given me but no one will accept, I have paid taxes for 30 years and like your son am finding it very unfair, we are decent people

You know you can't actually pay over the 975 or you may lose the rent allowance?

Silverbling wrote: »

None of us should be in this situation but if am going to be homeless it will be in an area that my support network is in not somewhere I know nobody

So you will sacrifice your children, including one sick child, having somewhere secure to live in, so that you can stay in a particular area?

You could move to e.g. Kildare and find a decent place, and still be able to get to the likes of Crumlin fairly quickly if you needed to.

MouseTail · 24-08-2015 10:33PM

Silverbling wrote: »

I checked out moving down the country but no school places.....

Where did you check? I find it very very hard to believe there were no school places.

delthedriver · 24-08-2015 10:46PM

It is simple economics ! The law of supply and demand!

Demand is simply outstripping supply at this point in Dublin , Cork and Galway.

Some large towns are now showing some evidence of reduced supply and rising rents.

Really people need to cut their cloth and rent what they can afford, even if they have to join the commuters who bought houses outside Dublin before the crash.:)

Hollister11 · 24-08-2015 11:40PM

My dad took it from are tennant five years ago. The rent has been 900 for the last 5 years for a 3 bed semi in North Dublin. It's expiring soon, and he hopes to get rent of around 1000 if she stays. If she leaves he wants 1300.

Stheno · 24-08-2015 11:44PM

Hollister11 wrote: »

My dad took it from are tennant five years ago. The rent has been 900 for the last 5 years for a 3 bed semi in North Dublin. It's expiring soon, and he hopes to get rent of around 1000 if she stays. If she leaves he wants 1300.

1300 would be the market rate for North county Dublin and at the lower end tbh

Hollister11 · 24-08-2015 11:45PM

Stheno wrote: »

1300 would be the market rate for North county Dublin and at the lower end tbh

He would take less for the right tenant anyway. Once it covers the mortgage he doesn't care. He has been lucky that there has only been one bad tenant in 20 years in the game.

Pac2015 · 25-08-2015 09:27AM

maggiepip wrote: »

The landlord is paid directly by the council under RAS, 10% less than going market rate, I think youre thinking of plain rent allowance.

Isn't RAS not Rent Allowance Scheme ?

Pac2015 · 25-08-2015 09:29AM

Silverbling wrote: »

I have to live in this area because my son has a chronic lung problem, I checked out moving down the country but no school places and difficulties with his treatment

€1400 is including the €975 rent allowance they they have now given me but no one will accept, I have paid taxes for 30 years and like your son am finding it very unfair, we are decent people

I understand you want to live in a certain area because of your son but you won't find any houses I dont think in those areas for 1400 but if you were to travel a little further like Kingswood or Old Bawn or Kilnamanagh which are literally 15 mins down the M50 you would get something.

gabsdot40 · 25-08-2015 09:43AM

Silverbling wrote: »

I agree with you but that means that only 2 income families with a disposable income of 4k a month or more are suitable to live in certain areas of Dublin

What is wrong with this? Some parts of the city are more expensive to live in than others. That's just life!!!
I'd love to live in a 4 bedroomed detached house in the area I grew up in, (Knocklyon) but we could only afford a 3 bed semi in Blanchardstown so that's where I live.
Too much entitlement going on around here IMO.

athtrasna · 25-08-2015 09:51AM

Stheno wrote: »

You know you can't actually pay over the 975 or you may lose the rent allowance?

This is the most important statement in the majority of this thread. Highlights what people are up against if they can't find somewhere for 1400, then there really isn't any hope at 975. But that's the system and that's what you need to work within. Alas it means moving beyond your ideal area but that's how it is when using this particular state subsidy.

25-08-2015 10:02AM

athtrasna wrote: »

This is the most important statement in the majority of this thread. Highlights what people are up against if they can't find somewhere for 1400, then there really isn't any hope at 975. But that's the system and that's what you need to work within. Alas it means moving beyond your ideal area but that's how it is when using this particular state subsidy.

Plenty of places available for €975 in nice areas of the country. People move for jobs & career reasons but won't relocate for an effectively free roof over their head, absolute joke.

FishOnABike · 25-08-2015 10:21AM

"Plenty of places available for €975 in nice areas of the country. People move for jobs & career reasons but won't relocate for an effectively free roof over their head, absolute joke."

The problem being in those areas rent allowance is also much less, probably only 500 or 600 euro. The system is simply not fit for purpose.

Threshold did a survey sometime last year and could not find a single property within the rent allowance limits in the Cork area.

The current housing crisis is the result of the collective failure of successive governments (on all sides) to properly plan and manage the country's economy and society.

Serious long term measures need to be put in place to properly manage the supply of housing and until they are in place emergency measures are needed to address the current crisis.

1moreyr · 25-08-2015 10:23AM

Augeo wrote: »

Plenty of places available for €975 in nice areas of the country. People move for jobs & career reasons but won't relocate for an effectively free roof over their head, absolute joke.

It's all well and good saying that there are properties available in other parts of the country within the limits but will they accept RAS? I was in the same situation myself and houses that were within the limits in the middle of no-where would not accept RAS. I was looking for months before my contract ended and had no-where to go so we ended up staying with family for four months. Thankfully now we are happily settled.

RAS require certain standards (minimum D2 BER cert, electrical certs, fire alarms and carbon monoxide alarm) and lots of properties do not have these. The council are trying to implement standards that will come into effect in 2020 for all rentals but are making it harder for people to actually find accommodation.

gabsdot40 · 25-08-2015 10:26AM

As part of my job I visit people in their homes and I come across many council houses which are inhabited by 1 person or 1 couple, usually older people. I'm probably really heartless but I think these people should be given smaller homes, 1 bedroom flats eg to free up the 3 and 4 bedroom houses for families in need.
I personally know of a single woman, whose children have left home living alone in a 4 bedroom council house. This is a very poor use of a scarce resource IMO.

Lux23 · 25-08-2015 11:10AM

I think telling someone to move with kids a week before the new school term starts is a bit cheeky though. It must be horrible to be in that situation and to have some knowitall on the internet tell you how you need to move away from your business, family and kid's school.

Pac2015 · 25-08-2015 11:26AM

Lux23 wrote: »

I think telling someone to move with kids a week before the new school term starts is a bit cheeky though. It must be horrible to be in that situation and to have some knowitall on the internet tell you how you need to move away from your business, family and kid's school.

If the family moved to areas like Kingswood, Old Bawn or Kilnamanagh they would only be 15 mins from Dundrum / Sandyford the reality is that at 1400 they prob wont get anywhere suitable in those areas as the price of accommodation is alot more then that.
So if you have to look at areas outside your preference to get a home I think they need to do that it has to be better then sleeping on a mattress in a friends garage ??

I would not be pushed on moving to the country I don't see why they should have to go outside of Dublin just to other areas in Dublin.

Pac2015 · 25-08-2015 11:29AM

gabsdot40 wrote: »

As part of my job I visit people in their homes and I come across many council houses which are inhabited by 1 person or 1 couple, usually older people. I'm probably really heartless but I think these people should be given smaller homes, 1 bedroom flats eg to free up the 3 and 4 bedroom houses for families in need.
I personally know of a single woman, whose children have left home living alone in a 4 bedroom council house. This is a very poor use of a scarce resource IMO.

This is an issue for many councils however the problem here is that many people like this are willing to trade down if you like to make way for families with 2 & 3 kids but they are being offered 1 bed flats or 2 beds in really bad areas that has anti social problems and are I think what many people term as " kips " and are not willing to move to somewhere that they will be unhappy living.
I can understand this myself as I would not want to move to somewhere that I am going to feel unsafe and unhappy.

25-08-2015 11:34AM

Lux23 wrote: »

I think telling someone to move with kids a week before the new school term starts is a bit cheeky though. It must be horrible to be in that situation and to have some knowitall on the internet tell you how you need to move away from your business, family and kid's school.

Many people pay their mortgage or rent from the after tax income and have little left afterwards after buying/renting somewhere they can afford, no doubt preferring to live somewhere else, where they were brought up etc. But such is life.

I think people p1ssing and moaning about going homeless as a protest rather than move to somewhere else is more than a tad cheeky.

Stheno · 25-08-2015 11:35AM

Pac2015 wrote: »

If the family moved to areas like Kingswood, Old Bawn or Kilnamanagh they would only be 15 mins from Dundrum / Sandyford the reality is that at 1400 they prob wont get anywhere suitable in those areas as the price of accommodation is alot more then that.
So if you have to look at areas outside your preference to get a home I think they need to do that it has to be better then sleeping on a mattress in a friends garage ??

I would not be pushed on moving to the country I don't see why they should have to go outside of Dublin just to other areas in Dublin.

I checked daft this morning, there are no two bed properties even under the rent allowance limits anywhere in Dublin

Pac2015 · 25-08-2015 11:39AM

Stheno wrote: »

I checked daft this morning, there are no two bed properties even under the rent allowance limits anywhere in Dublin

I understand its really difficult my nephews mam was in the same situation with the rent allowance she lives in Darndale and could not get anywhere to take the rent allowance so eventually gave up and decided to stay living with her mam and save a deposit to rent private, she worked part time for the past two years but now will have to go full time if she wants to pay her own rent which she doesn't mind but my nephew is special needs only in a minor way and she would have preferred to keep working part time and find somewhere on the rent allowance but unfortunately she could not.

Jesus Wept · 25-08-2015 11:49AM

With rent allowance, you aren't allowed get a place that is over the limit. Well done if you managed to wrangle otherwise.

Skerries · 25-08-2015 12:00PM

gabsdot40 wrote: »

As part of my job I visit people in their homes and I come across many council houses which are inhabited by 1 person or 1 couple, usually older people. I'm probably really heartless but I think these people should be given smaller homes, 1 bedroom flats eg to free up the 3 and 4 bedroom houses for families in need.
I personally know of a single woman, whose children have left home living alone in a 4 bedroom council house. This is a very poor use of a scarce resource IMO.

are you suggesting something like the British room tax?

mayway · 25-08-2015 02:43PM

There's a total lack of empathy going on here. The schools are back in a few days and most people are saying that the OP should just move far away from where she is now because that is all she can afford.

I think that's wrong.

newacc2015 · 25-08-2015 02:48PM

mayway wrote: »

There's a total lack of empathy going on here. The schools are back in a few days and most people are saying that the OP should just move far away from where she is now because that is all she can afford.

I think that's wrong.

Its the norm in the US. If you a move street over, that happens to be in a new school district, you will have to move your children. I have American friends, who moved Schools several times due to moving around their city. I moved school several times and being forced to make new friends, developed people skills

You cant expect the tax payer to pick up the tab, every time someone doesn't want to be inconvenienced and move their children. Social housing is supposed to be a lifeline in difficult circumstances. Not a choice for life, like it has become in Ireland.

quadrifoglio verde · 25-08-2015 03:14PM

mayway wrote: »

There's a total lack of empathy going on here. The schools are back in a few days and most people are saying that the OP should just move far away from where she is now because that is all she can afford.

I think that's wrong.

when I was a child I'd have rathered move school every year than be homeless

Mrs OBumble · 25-08-2015 03:30PM

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It's unfortunate that after being a taxpayer for 30 years, the OP's personal circumstances have changed and he is now forced to rely on social welfare to survive. But they have.

Social welfare, including housing assitance, is a safety net (keeps you housed somewhere) not a thick luxurious mattress (keeps you housed in the neighbourhood of choice).

What's more there are schools in small towns that would be delighted to get a couple more pupils, because it helps keep them viable. Education is a human right. Enrolment is the school of your choice is not.

Schools being back in a couple of weeks is irrelevant: the OP has had plenty of time to get this sorted. It's unfortunate that the kids wil have a little more disruption than they would have had if the OP had acted earlier - but changing schools never killed anyone. There are perfectly good schools all over the country.

Lux23 · 25-08-2015 04:16PM

Augeo wrote: »

Many people pay their mortgage or rent from the after tax income and have little left afterwards after buying/renting somewhere they can afford, no doubt preferring to live somewhere else, where they were brought up etc. But such is life.

I think people p1ssing and moaning about going homeless as a protest rather than move to somewhere else is more than a tad cheeky.

I pay rent out of my wage and I struggle to meet all of my costs. But that's my problem, I don't feel the need to offer pointless and mean-spirited advice to people on the internet to alleviate how I feel about my particular situation.

syklops · 25-08-2015 04:30PM

Silverbling wrote: »

Where do you find landlords that prefer long term reliable tenants who will look after the house?

I was renting for 6 years and as far as I was concerned I had 2 years left on my lease. I started a business a couple of years ago and all my savings are in it.

I have excellent references but because I need to be in Dundrum/Sandyford area I have found nothing for €1400 which is my budget.

Myself and my children are sleeping on mattresses in 1 room in my friends converted garage to prevent us being homeless but it is only short term and the storage costs for my furniture are not cheap

There is a certain irony to it, the council have found my business online and asked me to be part of a focus group as my books have been assessed and I will be employing not only myself but others in 2 years time and they think ecommerce will be a key part of the future

So a self employed tax paying homeless person! only in Ireland

Off topic but have you looked at this one? http://www.daft.ie/dublin/apartments-for-rent/cabinteely/the-oval-tullyvale-cabinteely-dublin-1582748/

Thats in my estate(in fct it might even be in my building. Looks slightly larger than my place and is 100 euro cheaper than what Im paying. Right next to the luas and is 15-20 minutes to Sandyford, or less than 10 minutes by car.

Edit: Just noticed that one above is a 1-bed. Here is a 2-bed for 1300 in the same place: http://www.daft.ie/dublin/apartments-for-rent/cabinteely/tullyvale-cabinteely-dublin-1582462/

Del2005 · 25-08-2015 04:45PM

mayway wrote: »

There's a total lack of empathy going on here. The schools are back in a few days and most people are saying that the OP should just move far away from where she is now because that is all she can afford.

I think that's wrong.

And when the OP goes homeless next month and gets bounced around random hotels and B&Bs do you thing that will be good for the children and their schooling?

Everyone has to make hard choices and since there aren't enough rental properties in Dublin, and the other major cities, for private renters unfortunately people who are relying on the state will have to make the same tough choices people who aren't relying on the state make and rent a place they can afford, and stop moaning that not enough is being done for them.

Lux23 · 25-08-2015 04:54PM

syklops wrote: »

Off topic but have you looked at this one? http://www.daft.ie/dublin/apartments-for-rent/cabinteely/the-oval-tullyvale-cabinteely-dublin-1582748/

Thats in my estate(in fct it might even be in my building. Looks slightly larger than my place and is 100 euro cheaper than what Im paying. Right next to the luas and is 15-20 minutes to Sandyford, or less than 10 minutes by car.

Edit: Just noticed that one above is a 1-bed. Here is a 2-bed for 1300 in the same place: http://www.daft.ie/dublin/apartments-for-rent/cabinteely/tullyvale-cabinteely-dublin-1582462/

Has you emailed to check and see if they would take a RAS tenant?

Are there any landlords at all taking RAS anymore

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