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Terrible places to work - Amazon

  • 16-08-2015 01:22PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭


    So the New York Times published an article recently about the abhorrent work practices and treatment of staff at Amazon. I would highly recommend a read - some of the things going on are incredible.

    Some choice quotes:
    At Amazon, workers are encouraged to tear apart one another’s ideas in meetings, toil long and late (emails arrive past midnight, followed by text messages asking why they were not answered), and held to standards that the company boasts are “unreasonably high. "Amazon is where overachievers go to feel bad about themselves". “When you’re not able to give your absolute all, 80 hours a week, they see it as a major weakness.”
    Amazon employees are held accountable for a staggering array of metrics, a process that unfolds in what can be anxiety-provoking sessions called business reviews, held weekly or monthly among various teams. A day or two before the meetings, employees receive printouts, sometimes up to 50 or 60 pages long, several workers said. At the reviews, employees are cold-called and pop-quizzed on any one of those thousands of numbers.
    Everyone has access to the "Anytime Feedback Tool," which lets employees criticize or praise their coworkers discretely. The feedback makes it to upper management, and can often be used in Amazon's standard weekly or monthly performance reviews. Employees are also routinely ranked, and managers are forced to fire a certain amount of the lowest-scoring workers every time to fulfill quotas.
    Perhaps worst of all is Amazon's approach when its employees need help. The Times has uncovered several cases where workers who were sick, grieving, or otherwise encumbered by the realities of life were pushed out of the company. A woman who had a miscarriage was told to travel on a business trip the day after both her twins were stillborn. Another woman recovering from breast cancer was given poor performance rankings and was warned that she was in danger of losing her job.

    Sounds like an absolute nightmare workplace. I value my myself and my self worth too much to work in a place like that. Has anyone ever worked for a similar company here?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Multinationals are terrible companies to work for in the main.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    No. And someone would be getting a belt of a pickaxe-handle if I did. Lunatics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Massimo Cassagrande


    Happily no. Also, happily, I never intend working for Amazon. God invented a simple phrase which can protect you totally from employers like that- "Fcuk off."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Multinationals are terrible companies to work for in the main.

    Not in my experience. There are a certain amount of head-case outfits, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,913 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Yeah reminds me of a certain cpu manufacturer's Focal process!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jaymcg91


    Multinations on the whole don't sound great but Amazon take it to the next level - even if you read the comments section in the NYT you'll ex employees and people who have worked with Amazon before saying how awful they are.

    The way they make out that they're changing the world - guys you're figuring out how to get toilet roll to somebody 17 minutes quicker - get over yourselves.
    A woman who had breast cancer was told that she was put on a “performance improvement plan” — Amazon code for “you’re in danger of being fired” — because “difficulties” in her “personal life” had interfered with fulfilling her work goals. Their accounts echoed others from workers who had suffered health crises and felt they had also been judged harshly instead of being given time to recover.

    Awful.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Oi Amazon Faaaaack off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    Once the CEO is rich and the governments get some tax and there are jobs created no one gives a ****.

    The CEO of Amazons net worth is 34.7 billion USD, I am sure he could easily put 4.7 billion into making his company a great place to work and pay everyone a fair wage and the guy would still be worth 30 billion.

    But these bastards a too greedy to spend an extra 10$, fair enough when Amazon was starting out or what ever, cash might have been tight, but there is no excuse now at the moment and its just ****ing greedy.

    Sure also look at Tesco, billions wrote off this year and last year and there still doing really well, that money could have been giving to employees but nah as usual greedy bastards at the top.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Just don't apply to work there then.
    Stop enabling **** companies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Impossible to buy anything on Amazon due to extortionate postal fees.
    Maybe they could work on that in their next tare down meeting,or whatever they're called.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Elessar wrote: »
    .............
    Sounds like an absolute nightmare workplace. I value my myself and my self worth too much to work in a place like that. Has anyone ever worked for a similar company here?

    Saw something on how they run their warehouse, and even on that level it seemed kafka-esque. I've worked for a large dysfunctional company, but in theory it wasn't meant to be that way, and you could shield yourself in ways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I hear working in the Amazon is fierce harsh and dangerous.

    Mozzies are relentless, stifling beat, dangerous pygmy tribes, poisonous snakes, poisonous tree frogs, jaguars, but the biggest fcuk off of the lot goes to them wee fish yokes that swim up your japs eye when you're swimming in the water, they get right up the little soldier, and then wedge themselves there with two little barbs, making every piss from there on in feel like your passing broken glass.

    Amazon me hole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Sounds like a North Korean work camp


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Tame enough.

    Do you all work in cotton wool factories?


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There was also a report that one of their factories gets so hot that they have medics stationed near all the exits, to take care of anyone that suffers from the heat, instead of paying for A/C.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Specialun


    Worked in multi nationals for years..pay well but shocking work cultures..some disgracefull things happened in some


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    Jeff Bezos believes that conflict is good for business. And that's how his company is set-up. I'd say he'd easily beat out Jobs for "Worlds biggest Arsehole CEO of the modern Age". And Jobs was an utter ****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Let me know when their suicide rate exceeds that of Apple.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    biko wrote: »
    Let me know when their suicide rate exceeds that of Apple.

    Foxconn?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭matrim


    I've read the reports about poor conditions in their warehouses but anyone I know working in their Ireland office seem to like it. Maybe a difference between their different sections.

    Their interview process is a pain. I applied to them before and had 3 phone interviews with the guys from the US, 2 with guys in Ireland and was about to progress to a face to face interview when I got offered a different job so didn't bother to continue with Amazon because there were supposed to be at least 2 more rounds


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Clem H Fandango


    biko wrote: »
    Let me know when their suicide rate exceeds that of Apple.

    Not Apple, Foxconn, one of the suppliers of components to many other companies such as Samsung, Huawei and LG.
    That is like saying KFC has a high suicide rate because chicken farmers are off topping themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Foxconn?

    Foxconn that also build the Amazon Fire and at least some of the Kindles.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Jeff Bezos believes that conflict is good for business. And that's how his company is set-up. I'd say he'd easily beat out Jobs for "Worlds biggest Arsehole CEO of the modern Age". And Jobs was an utter ****.

    "Google" might have its benefits but from what I heard it was less than pleasant in that sense as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭Rabo Karabekian


    biko wrote: »
    Just don't apply to work there then.
    Stop enabling **** companies.

    Yeah, it's the employees that are the problem here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭Elessar


    Nodin wrote: »
    "Google" might have its benefits but from what I heard it was less than pleasant in that sense as well.

    Yeah I personally know a few lads that work in Google and it's not all roses and free dinners. There's a tonne of pressure to meet targets, I know one lad who had a breakdown with the stress. Makes you think, especially when you work in IT yourself..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    Nodin wrote: »
    "Google" might have its benefits but from what I heard it was less than pleasant in that sense as well.

    Huge hours but it's actually fine. Lots and lots of perks to keep you hooked. Apple is fine as well. Less perks and pay compared to Google. Amazon is toxic at every level. Although I've heard the call centre in cork is okay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Berserker


    biko wrote: »
    Just don't apply to work there then.

    Easier said than done. I work in IT and companies here, small and large, promise you the sun, moon and stars to get you in the door but it becomes apparent pretty quickly that they are a disaster to work for. You can't walk out the door for a few months or it will reflect badly on you when you start interviewing for a new job, which means that you end up stuck in a nightmare job for six months or so. IT consultancy and American IT resourcing companies are ones to avoid from my experience. I have heard some horror stories where developers have been up working until 4am. If the developer doesn't meet these demands then they are not "engaged".

    Word spreads about these companies after a while but you can still get stung with a new company that enters the market. I 've been caught myself. I run a mile when I hear a company say that they are "fun" places to work. I tend to avoid companies that like to bring lunch, dinner etc into the office for you as a "treat" too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭yes there


    Tried to recruit me during the summer but was well are of their working conditions although they did a good job at tempting me. This just confirms it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    No, but they keep opening more and more fulfillment centers across the US. Now wheres my order!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭Heroditas


    Yeah reminds me of a certain cpu manufacturer's Focal process!

    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Get an IR there in the Irish site and they'll pretty much show you the door. In the US, you're fired.


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