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Liverpool FC News/Gossip/Rumours Summer '15

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  • #5522
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Why is Carvalho being mentioned? He is injured for months and will not sign for Liverpool anyway. You watch he'll be warehoused by Real Madrid or Chelsea.


  • #5523
    martyos121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,560 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    JohnDaniels wrote: »
    Carvalho though isn't just a dedicated destroyer. He is a weird hybrid that is quite rare in a player. Maddock says Rodgers is a long time admirier and I can see why. He is a deep play maker with great passing ability, can break lines and also is very displined while being good defensively with a tactical football brain.

    Would love to see him signed, but with Brendan in charge, I doubt it will happen. It's Brendan's decision and I will trust however he handles it but I'm pretty certain the club will be in much better shape this time next year if Carvalho is part of it, he is superb.

    You also have to consider that bigger clubs are after him, why would he choose us over the likes of Arsenal or Bayern Munich? More first team football is the only reason and he doesn't strike me as the type of lad who cares less about money than development.


  • #5524
    JohnDaniels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭JohnDaniels


    Augeo wrote: »
    Cant see it happening, be great though, he is the quarterback Gerrard crossed with mascherano (almost).

    I would be over the moon. I never stopped raving about him while watching the u21 championship this summer. I would give a less 1% chance of it happening though. You would think though if we shift Borini/Lucas/Balo/Enrique that we should have money in the kitty as net spend would be very low. Maybe the club would be willing to take a calculated risk on him while injured considering we never stood a chance with the likes of Real Madrid sniffing round before it. Everything crossed but I think it is a pipe dream.


  • #5525
    Dickerty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Why is Carvalho being mentioned? He is injured for months and will not sign for Liverpool anyway. You watch he'll be warehoused by Real Madrid or Chelsea.

    More than likely. But if they are not ready for him to be a major feature yet (and he's 23 now), maybe he's sign for a team with a record of improving players, and allowing them to leave when the time is right? Torres, Masc, Alonso, Suarez...

    Not saying I like it, but if we are to be a selling club to some extent, at least we can get a few years out of some of the best players in the world in their positions (as all of those 4 were).


  • #5526
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    corwill wrote: »
    I understand the wariness, but a tibia stress fracture is a pretty straightforward heal, AFAIK - http://www.espnfc.com/sporting-lisbon/story/2522352/arsenal-william-carvalho-ruled-out-for-three-months-sporting

    I read an article about stress fractures in general a few weeks ago while I was in a waiting room in a physios office. It said something about 39% of patients that get a stress fracture end up re-injuring that area again in their careers. The percentages go up, the smaller the bone that is fractured.

    Now I aint a doctor so I dont know about the Tibia from the ear but it sounds like something that could become a career problem. COULD being the operative word


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  • #5527
    tritium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    whatawaster wrote: »
    Carvalho would be a very good signing, even if he is injured

    Carvalho would possibly be one of the best signings we could make. I don't believe there's any chance of getting him however.


  • #5528
    corwill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭corwill


    Mr.H wrote: »
    I read an article about stress fractures in general a few weeks ago while I was in a waiting room in a physios office. It said something about 39% of patients that get a stress fracture end up re-injuring that area again in their careers. The percentages go up, the smaller the bone that is fractured.

    Now I aint a doctor so I dont know about the Tibia from the ear but it sounds like something that could become a career problem. COULD being the operative word

    Well, that's "Doctor" Corwill told!


  • #5529
    Iused2likebusts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    I'd have no problem with lucas going he isn't good enough for a team hoping to break the top 4. He can't cover the ground and doesn't get on the half turn enough to get the team playing forward.


  • #5530
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    A lot of hatred for Rodgers here - https://twitter.com/harikriss

    What I don't get, is that he hopes Rodgers fails (i.e. Liverpool get worse) so that he'll leave.. :confused:
    And telling Sakho to leave..


  • #5531
    bur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭bur


    Has Rodgers gone over why he doesn't see the value in defensive midfielders in any of the talks on his so called philosophy?


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  • #5532
    bur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭bur


    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    I'd have no problem with lucas going he isn't good enough for a team hoping to break the top 4. He can't cover the ground and doesn't get on the half turn enough to get the team playing forward.

    Positioning is the most important thing. The positioning of Milner and Henderson is exactly why we had no control over the game.

    Lucas and Can would be so much better as a two in midfield, even just on paper it actually would make a bit of sense instead of lumping two ordinary makeshift centre-mids in there.


  • #5533
    Iused2likebusts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    bur wrote: »
    Has Rodgers gone over why he doesn't see the value in defensive midfielders in any of the talks on his so called philosophy?

    Are out and out defensive midfielders really needed? Personally I don't think so just clever midfielders that can communicate and know when to go and when to stay. Football evolves having a dedicated DM is all the rage as it has been since makelele etc. That doesn't mean it's the only way to play. Lots of successful teams existed without DM's and chances are as the game evolves again specialist DM's may not be as popular.


  • #5534
    Potential Underachiever
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,993 ✭✭✭Potential Underachiever


    Allyall wrote: »
    A lot of hatred for Rodgers here - https://twitter.com/harikriss

    What I don't get, is that he hopes Rodgers fails (i.e. Liverpool get worse) so that he'll leave.. :confused:
    And telling Sakho to leave..

    Shame I had to endure reading some of that shyte! Shame you're posting that link and giving him more 'airtime'

    Pretty amusing that the first thing I see is a picture of Rafa on his profile, there are many of those fans still butthurt about Rafa that hate on BR because of it, also another shame.


  • #5535
    brevity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭brevity


    What's great about Lucas is he doesn't need to run about like Henderson & Milner. He reads the game.

    Covering the ground isn't much good if you are not doing it properly - which is precisely what Henderson does when he is in that position.

    Genuinely surprised that Lucas leaving is considered a non issue...for a team conceding 40-50 goals a season we need all the protecting we need.


  • #5536
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Watching Carvalho at the u21 tournament i could see why a top club is reluctant to pay 30m for him. Very good passing & comfortable on the ball but his off the ball work isn't good enough. Looks a bit lazy.


  • #5537
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    Potential Underachiever wrote: »
    Shame I had to endure reading some of that shyte! Shame you're posting that link and giving him more 'airtime'

    Pretty amusing that the first thing I see is a picture of Rafa on his profile, there are many of those fans still butthurt about Rafa that hate on BR because of it, also another shame.

    Yeah, sorry, I saw it somewhere else and was taken aback a bit. I agree though, I probably shouldn't have relinked.

    Appaently Adam Traore has signed for Villa - http://as.com/diarioas/2015/08/11/english/1439288484_250702.html

    Whether it's true or not is to be seen.


  • #5538
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    corwill wrote: »
    Well, that's "Doctor" Corwill told!

    I have no idea mate Im just regurgitating what I read. If you know better just say. I in no way claim to be in anyway knowledgeable about the subject.


  • #5539
    corwill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭corwill


    Mr.H wrote: »
    I have no idea mate Im just regurgitating what I read. If you know better just say. I in no way claim to be in anyway knowledgeable about the subject.

    At least you've read something on it, I was just going on something I half remember hearing.


  • #5540
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    corwill wrote: »
    At least you've read something on it, I was just going on something I half remember hearing.

    Sure thats the way we say most stuff on here. SOmething we heard lol. Fantastic player though Carvalho to be fair. Would love to see him here. But would hate to see the response once he picks up a knock :D


  • #5541
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,456 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Lucas must be kept.


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  • #5542
    brevity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭brevity


    https://twitter.com/LFCTS/status/631049163803881472

    Tony Barrett's full article on Rodgers http://t.co/SxvtQKZq5n


  • #5543
    Iused2likebusts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    brevity wrote: »
    What's great about Lucas is he doesn't need to run about like Henderson & Milner. He reads the game.

    Covering the ground isn't much good if you are not doing it properly - which is precisely what Henderson does when he is in that position.

    Genuinely surprised that Lucas leaving is considered a non issue...for a team conceding 40-50 goals a season we need all the protecting we need.

    Lucas was as much part of the problem he played in the stoke 6 1 game and the 4 1 arsenal game.


  • #5544
    brevity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭brevity


    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    Lucas was as much part of the problem he played in the stoke 6 1 game and the 4 1 arsenal game.

    Everyone was at fault for those games. Especially Rodgers.


  • #5545
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Surprised nobody has noticed how isolated Benteke was against Stoke. He barely got a kick. Exact same as Balotelli etc last season. The strikers Liverpool have do not suit the system being played. Apart from Sturridge who's clocking up more physio time than Darren Anderton.


  • #5546
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,456 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    It was a dreadfull performance and we were very lucky to cone away with the win.


  • #5547
    Potential Underachiever
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,993 ✭✭✭Potential Underachiever


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Surprised nobody has noticed how isolated Benteke was against Stoke. He barely got a kick. Exact same as Balotelli etc last season. The strikers Liverpool have do not suit the system being played. Apart from Sturridge who's clocking up more physio time than Darren Anderton.


    It's just one game, a tough away one at that, Kane and Rooney both looked isolated at the weekend too.


  • #5548
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,043 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    It was a dreadfull performance and we were very lucky to cone away with the win.

    It wasn't that dreadful to be fair. Dreadful was losing 6-1 there in May. Stoke barely had a decent chance this time. Granted neither did we. It was just a poor game decided by one moment of quality. Chelsea won some games the exact same way last season. Now if we continue to create little over the next 5 or 6 games then I'd start to worry.


  • #5549
    Dickerty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    It wasn't that dreadful to be fair. Dreadful was losing 6-1 there in May. Stoke barely had a decent chance this time. Granted neither did we. It was just a poor game decided by one moment of quality. Chelsea won some games the exact same way last season. Now if we continue to create little over the next 5 or 6 games then I'd start to worry.

    Agreed, it's a notoriously hard place to go and get points, and we haven't gotten Firmino into the team yet, he'll add a great deal of spark. We'll look a different team v Bournemouth, at home against a probably weaker side...


  • #5550
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    brevity wrote: »
    What's great about Lucas is he doesn't need to run about like Henderson & Milner. He reads the game.

    Covering the ground isn't much good if you are not doing it properly - which is precisely what Henderson does when he is in that position.

    Genuinely surprised that Lucas leaving is considered a non issue...for a team conceding 40-50 goals a season we need all the protecting we need.

    I think you are completely missing the point.

    Lucas doesnt need to run about like Hendo and Milner??

    - Yes he does
    They dont just run around like headless chickens you know. They constantly press players and force oppositions to conceded possession further up the field. Rather than concede a free kick on the edge of our own area. That is the point in "running about".

    Lucas sits back and reads the game and then tries to win the ball close to our area. The issue is if he mistimes the challenge (and often does by the way) it may stop an attack but it gives away a free kick in a good area where we concede a lot of goals from set pieces.

    A defensive midfielder does not fit Rodgers game plan and that is why Lucas leaving is a non issue.

    Lucas (despite how much I love him) has been at fault as often if not more than Allen and I doubt many would worry about Allen leaving.

    Lucas is replaceable but wont be replaced with a defensive rock


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  • #5551
    BoardsMember
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    There will always be people who don't appreciate a tactically astute DM. If Rodgers lets Lucas go, it confirms what I have suspected for a long time, that will confirm that Rodgers ass and elbow are not distinguishable to him.

    He persisted with Gerard in the quarter back role, which is really where a DM should be. When he put Lucas back in there we started to shore things up a little.

    While Henderson and Millner together might be able to protect the back 4, it's not their best position and from the evidence against Stoke, it looks like we might need an extra in midfield ala Can go make it work. I'm sure Rodgers has a philosophy that justifies it, but I'm not sure it would hold any water.


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