Flightradar24 Thread Part II

fr336 · 07-08-2015 03:14PM

smurfjed wrote: »

OK, thats one reason, but why didn't they land overweight?

The plane would be way too heavy to land with full fuel tanks causing the aircraft to overshoot the runway and crash on landing or a ground fire when landing.

smurfjed · 07-08-2015 03:25PM

The plane would be way too heavy to land with full fuel tanks causing the aircraft to overshoot the runway and crash on landing or a ground fire when landing.

Wow, where did you get this idea from?

AGC · 07-08-2015 03:53PM

Why ask the question when you could just explain it?

fr336 · 07-08-2015 04:02PM

AGC wrote: »

Why ask the question when you could just explain it?

I'm, guessing someone's in a mood and looking to take it out on someone

Pat Dunne · 07-08-2015 05:13PM

fr336 wrote: »

I'm, guessing someone's in a mood and looking to take it out on someone

Ah give us break pal, your own wittering in the last few days has become fairly intolerable as well

fr336 · 07-08-2015 05:19PM

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Ah give us break pal, your own wittering in the last few days has become fairly intolerable as well

Last few days surely you mean years? :P

Pat Dunne · 07-08-2015 05:23PM

fr336 wrote: »

Last few days surely you mean years? :P

Yeah, that's some amount of horse manure from just one person. No smilie face!

fr336 · 07-08-2015 05:26PM

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Yeah, and that's some amount of horse manure for one just person. No smilie face!

Ah well I suppose I'll have to go and mope around and be depressed now you've said that, thanks for the feedback

bkehoe · 07-08-2015 05:36PM

fr336 wrote: »

The plane would be way too heavy to land with full fuel tanks causing the aircraft to overshoot the runway and crash on landing or a ground fire when landing.

Boeing would probably find this interesting to learn!

smurfjed · 07-08-2015 06:12PM

Actually this is what Boeing has to say about it....

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_3_07/AERO_Q307_article3.pdf

Pat Dunne · 07-08-2015 06:36PM

smurfjed wrote: »

Actually this is what Boeing has to say about it....

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_3_07/AERO_Q307_article3.pdf

Many thanks smurfjeb, a very good and interesting peice of information.

"Furthermore, service experience indi- cates that damage due to overweight landing is extremely rare."

It is fascinating as to the many peices of information that must be taken into account by the flight deck, before acting upon the final decision.

Skuxx · 07-08-2015 06:47PM

DLH404 squawking 7700 and turning around over Scotland! Same A/C that had a wheel well fire indication incident in Frankfurt a few days ago!

jimbis · 07-08-2015 06:48PM

Lufty 747 Squaking 7700, turning back at the Scottish coast/Irish Sea.

Manchester maybe?

PinOnTheRight · 07-08-2015 07:14PM

Skuxx wrote: »

DLH404 squawking 7700 and turning around over Scotland! Same A/C that had a wheel well fire indication incident in Frankfurt a few days ago!

Same indication again tonight.

rrpc · 07-08-2015 08:37PM

PinOnTheRight wrote: »

Same indication again tonight.

And they dumped fuel as well

I think this must be to do with the nature of the emergency. Both cases were suspected fires.

Noticed that the gear was down as well. Suspected wheel bay fire was the reason for emergency.

Shannon757 · 07-08-2015 10:25PM

Honeywell 757 was in Shannon today.

jimbis · 07-08-2015 11:12PM

rrpc wrote: »

And they dumped fuel as well

I think this must be to do with the nature of the emergency. Both cases were suspected fires.

Noticed that the gear was down as well. Suspected wheel bay fire was the reason for emergency.

Can anyone tell me why they have the gear down?
Is it a case of get them down now in case they lose the ability to do so after or for drag and more fuel burn?
Or something else?

PinOnTheRight · 07-08-2015 11:23PM

jimbis wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why they have the gear down?
Is it a case of get them down now in case they lose the ability to do so after or for drag and more fuel burn?
Or something else?

They usually lower it for landing...

Being serious though, but I believe the emergency checklist for wheel well fire indication would call for the gear to be lowered. The increased drag is also a secondary benefit, burning more fuel on the way to MAN. They had requested/informed Scottish that they'd need to be dumping fuel all the way to final approach.

jimbis · 07-08-2015 11:34PM

PinOnTheRight wrote: »

They usually lower it for landing...

Being serious though, but I believe the emergency checklist for wheel well fire indication would call for the gear to be lowered. The increased drag is also a secondary benefit, burning more fuel on the way to MAN. They had requested/informed Scottish that they'd need to be dumping fuel all the way to final approach.

Lol, I was expecting a reply like that

Sounds like they wanted to land very soon alight. If there was a fire in the wheel well would the fast wind help or hinder a fire?

smurfjed · 08-08-2015 06:53AM

I would hazard a guess that most wheel well fires happen after takeoff due to the residual heat in the brakes and tires, if the gear is retracted than its very hard for this heat to dissipate in an enclosed space, so the gear is extended to allow the airflow to cool the gear, plus you also avoid the damage that would be caused by an exploding tire in that enclosed space. Depending on the aircraft, you will find all sorts of fuel pumps, hydraulic pumps, flight controls etc in the wheel well, so it makes sense to try to protect these items.

While the aircraft will burn more fuel with the gear down, I would consider this a secondary result of putting the gear down rather than a reason to do so.

Finally, for a wheel well fire over an hour into a flight, I would guess that its a sensor problem as the heat would have dissipated, but as there is no way of confirming that, the full procedure would have to be followed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120

smurfjed · 08-08-2015 02:41PM

Images shared on Twitter showed the 442 tonne plane coming into land with its landing gear extended.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3189969/Lufthansa-plane-360-people-board-makes-emergency-landing-Manchester-Airport-warning-light-flashes-Frankfurt-New-York-flight.html#ixzz3iEMTbCxL
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I love this statement..... surely it would be more shocking if it came in to land WITHOUT the landing gear extended.

pepe the prawn · 08-08-2015 07:48PM

G-favs inbound to Shannon, pilot informed ATC that he had booked a taxi to collect them from einn at 19:30 but they wouldn't make it until 20:30, requested that Atc contact the taxi company to rearrange their booking... Amid a few giggles and sighs the atco agreed to the request

fr336 · 08-08-2015 08:56PM

pepe the prawn wrote: »

G-favs inbound to Shannon, pilot informed ATC that he had booked a taxi to collect them from einn at 19:30 but they wouldn't make it until 20:30, requested that Atc contact the taxi company to rearrange their booking... Amid a few giggles and sighs the atco agreed to the request

What time was this? :P

pepe the prawn · 08-08-2015 09:35PM

fr336 wrote: »

What time was this? :P

Around 19:45 local, 18:45z, it was on Shannon approach/tower feed, could hear the other Atco's laughing in the background

FWVT · 09-08-2015 07:39AM

Finnair from Helsinki doing only 230 knots groundspeed at FL380. What is the cruise speed of these? Headwind should only be arpund 60 kts at that level there.

FWVT · 09-08-2015 07:40AM

Finnair from Helsinki doing only 230 knots groundspeed at FL380. What is the cruise speed of these? Headwind should only be arpund 60 kts at that level there.

hobie14 · 09-08-2015 01:25PM

Anyone notice a KLM 777 KL745 arriving SNN this morning (about an hour or so ago) ..... CALI >AMS
Wonder why? .....

10/8 update .... Rumour has it was a splash and dash! ...... an expensive way to run a 777 I would think .....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/63232964@N06/20246416778/

cgill · 09-08-2015 07:11PM

EI-DUO has levelled off at FL150 and is holding over Roscommon/Sligo.

pepe the prawn · 09-08-2015 07:11PM

Shamrock 125 from Dublin to Chicago, currently holding at ENULA, south of Sligo, possible medical emergency onboard, crew are waiting for further information from the cabin before making a decision on whether or not to proceed..

cgill · 09-08-2015 07:16PM

EIN125 returning to Dublin

Flightradar24 Thread Part II

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