Windows 10

Bayberry · 31-07-2015 03:53PM

dbit wrote: »

Would not make sense ? explain that please ? MS would stand to save over a billion a year if they owned AMD for Xbox one

According to the Wikipedia page, AMD's total revenue in 2104 was just $5.5 billion. The only way Microsoft could save a Billion was if AMD was making a Billion profit on sales of XBOX CPUs just in 2014. Worldwide sales of the Xbox One since launch only reached 13 million in the last few weeks, and Xbox 360 sales never reached more than 10 million a year, so even if we give a generous figure of 15 million Xbox 360 and Xbox One sales worldwide last year, AMD would have to have made a profit of $667 PER BOX to generate enough profit for Microsoft to save a billion a year.

That's simple arithmetic that even a primary school pupil should be able to work out.

Note that if it costs AMD $100 to make a CPU and they sell it to MS for $10, MS wouldn't save $110*CPUs-bought by buying AMD, they'd only save $10*CPUs-bought.

, similarly they would earn massive over heads from Playstation ?

AMD lost money last year.

Then as i was hinting i would suspect they would try to hamper the Nvidia house with slow delays , patches and hot fixs being delayed and suggesting they may try to push market in AMD direction ? Im at a loss as to how this would not make sense ?

Seriously? How would Microsoft gain from knackering the installation of Windows for lots of people? Not to mention the absolute ****storm of anti-trust scrutiny that would shower down on them -

Win 10 is heavily colaborating with Xbox ........... Holo Lens , ....... and to corner a market in both pc and console to me seems fairly intuitive.

And you don't think that they can "corner that market" by playing AMD off against NVidia?

dbit · 31-07-2015 03:56PM

Bayberry wrote: »

According to the Wikipedia page, AMD's total revenue in 2104 was just $5.5 billion. The only way Microsoft could save a Billion was if AMD was making a Billion profit on sales of XBOX CPUs just in 2014. Worldwide sales of the Xbox One since launch only reached 13 million in the last few weeks, and Xbox 360 sales never reached more than 10 million a year, so even if we give a generous figure of 15 million Xbox 360 and Xbox One sales worldwide last year, AMD would have to have made a profit of $667 PER BOX to generate enough profit for Microsoft to save a billion a year.

That's simple arithmetic that even a primary school pupil should be able to work out.

Note that if it costs AMD $100 to make a CPU and they sell it to MS for $10, MS wouldn't save $110*CPUs-bought by buying AMD, they'd only save $10*CPUs-bought.

AMD lost money last year.

Seriously? How would Microsoft gain from knackering the installation of Windows for lots of people? Not to mention the absolute ****storm of anti-trust scrutiny that would shower down on them -

And you don't think that they can "corner that market" by playing AMD off against NVidia?

I would gauge the cost to be nearly 100 dollars per xbox one unit saving them around 12 billion per year ? (Edit not per year but over the sales span to date, and if projected forwards it implies to me massive savings .)

Plus all the other platfroms they can then manufacture for . I just think they might actually make a move on it , possibly i am horribly wrong , I just wanted to see what poeples opinions where on it . thanks to all.

Bayberry · 31-07-2015 04:01PM

dbit wrote: »

But what if they planned to ship and design all the cpu tech in house for smart phones , tablets and lappies ? I still think it would be a wise move , dangerous and precarious but makes good financial sense ?

Right, because they haven't been making billions every year for the last couple of decades making software that leverages CPU tech from both AMD and Intel, and GPU tech from AMD, NVidia and Intel. They'd do so much better by turning their backs on all that, and designing their own tech.

Just like they did with Nokia, really.

Whatever arguments there are that would make AMD a good buy for Microsoft (or anyone else - it's cheap, but that's because it's losing money) at the moment, deliberately anti-competitive behaviour against the existing players in the market at the moment is not on the list.

CatInABox · 31-07-2015 04:02PM

dbit wrote: »

I would gauge the cost to be nearly 100 dollars per xbox one unit saving them around 12 billion per year ? (Edit not per year but over the sales span to date, and if projected forwards it implies to me massive savings .)

Plus all the other platfroms they can then manufacture for . I just think they might actually make a move on it , possibly i am horribly wrong , I just wanted to see what poeples opinions where on it . thanks to all.

I had a response written out with references to Moore's Law, costings, and a fair amount of other stuff. Then I realised that this has nothing to do with Windows 10.

If you want, you could start a new thread on it.

sentient_6 · 31-07-2015 04:07PM

I use shortcuts alot, but win+d(minimise all back to desktop) is driving me crazy because the start menu keeps popping up, which isn't the way it has functioned until now.

CatInABox · 31-07-2015 04:09PM

sentient_6 wrote: »

I use shortcuts alot, but win+d(minimise all back to desktop) is driving me crazy because the start menu keeps popping up, which isn't the way it has functioned until now.

Weird, works as normal on mine.

31-07-2015 04:09PM

sentient_6 wrote: »

I use shortcuts alot, but win+d(minimise all back to desktop) is driving me crazy because the start menu keeps popping up, which isn't the way it has functioned until now.

Isn't the way it functions for me , WIN+D doesn't pop up the start menu.

Is that not the same as WIN+M that seems to do the same on mine.

Bayberry · 31-07-2015 04:11PM

dbit wrote: »

I would gauge the cost to be nearly 100 dollars per xbox one unit saving them around 12 billion per year ? (Edit not per year but over the sales span to date, and if projected forwards it implies to me massive savings .)

Do you know what a Billion is?

Or do you really think that Microsoft has sold 110 Million Xbox Ones since last November (They had only sold 10 million by then)?

And remember, if it costs AMD $90 to make a chip that they sell to MS for $100, Micorosoft doesn't save $100 per chip by buying AMD - the chip will still cost $90 to make, so there would only be a $10 per chip saving.

dbit · 31-07-2015 04:28PM

Bayberry wrote: »

Do you know what a Billion is?

Or do you really think that Microsoft has sold 110 Million Xbox Ones since last November (They had only sold 10 million by then)?

And remember, if it costs AMD $90 to make a chip that they sell to MS for $100, Micorosoft doesn't save $100 per chip by buying AMD - the chip will still cost $90 to make, so there would only be a $10 per chip saving.

The costings are strewn about i see lots of different guestimations to the pricing strucures . Accuracy on the figures can only come from one source and none of them seem that accurate . Still i think this could be a direction they might take and if they do I only wonder what it would mean for Nvidia . DX 12 is only delivered on Win 10 (For now) so for Catinabox it is kinda relevant to this thread. Im not saying i wan this i only see it as a possible way out for AMD who as you say are in trouble , And MS looming at the gates ............ to possibly pick up this injured firm and then push things a little differently in their favour . ( We all know MS business accumen doesnt operate like this nor has it in the past lolz)

31-07-2015 04:35PM

Almost set for a clean install and just want to check 2 things

1: How do I make sure all the metro apps I have on my account don't download and install when I re-install and enter my account details during the installation

I've uninstalled anything I don't want from the PC as it stands , I think that will do it

2: I need to remove an OS from a dual boot config, should I delete form MS config 1st or just do it during setup of win 10 went asked where to install it ?

Bayberry · 31-07-2015 04:48PM

dbit wrote: »

The costings are strewn about i see lots of different guestimations to the pricing strucures

But you're the only one pulling costs out of your arse - and nobody has challenged you on your made up numbers anyway, you've only been challenged on basic arithmetic!

12 million units at $100 a unit is $1.2 Billion, not 12 Billion.

Nobody (ever, in the whole world, not just in this thread) has ever claimed that AMD makes $100 profit on every $400 Xbox sold. And you don't need to be the CEO of a big company to recognize that you don't save the full cost of an item by buying the supplier, you only (potentially) save the profit margin. Suddenly your "12 Billion" goes down again, not to 1.2 billion, but to 120 million.

There's no point in speculating about anything like this if you can't get the simple arithmetic right - a deal that makes sense at 12 Billion doesn't make sense at 120 million.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp · 31-07-2015 05:18PM

We are seeing audio stutter across the board on our machines. Anyone else having the issue?

It's like it just drops out for a split second but very noticeable.

biggebruv · 31-07-2015 05:19PM

day3 still no update from the taskbar to install this F-king thing

Ken. · 31-07-2015 05:33PM

Brycen Victorious Sophomore wrote: »

We are seeing audio stutter across the board on our machines. Anyone else having the issue?

It's like it just drops out for a split second but very noticeable.

Yes, I made a post on this yesterday. It's so annoying. It'll happen 10 times in a minute and then be grand for half an hour then start happening again. At least I know now its not just me.

TallGlass · 31-07-2015 06:59PM

I am running a fairly new machine, have an SSD drive so I think its taking the brunt of an issue for some reason. The machine seems to be a bit choppy or laggy. But not on videos or anything like it, just opening web pages. Mine you it might just be Firefox, seems like it hasn't been fitted out for Windows 10 yet.

Other than that it's running great. I'll be honest and say mine was cracked but I had no issues with keys or anything. Mined you I was planning on paying to upgrade to 8, so might try 10 out and head up the ranks to professional. With the money from the planned upgrade.

citytillidie · 31-07-2015 08:03PM

Bayberry wrote: »

I upgraded an Asus laptop that came with Win8. I don't usually have a mouse plugged in, so I've gotten into the habit of using a 2-fingered scroll to scroll web pages (like this one) up and down, and when I tried Edge, I wasn't getting any scrolling.

After fostering about looking for solutions, I ended up going to the Asus website and downloading the Smart Gesture app. When I tried to install it, I was told that there was a version already running, so I went to Programs and Features and uninstalled the existing version. That prompted me to reboot, so I did. Then I installed the new version, which also prompted me to reboot, which I did. After the reboot, two-fingered scrolling was working in Edge, but it was upside down - when I used a 2-fingered scroll down on the touchpad, it was pulling the page down, so effectively scrolling back up to the top of the page. I'm used to a two-finger scroll down pulling the scroll-bar down, so that the page scrolls down to the bottom of the age (It's hard to describe...)

I had to open file manager and navigate into Program Files/Asus to find the SmartGesture program to change the scroll direction for two-fingered scroll, but at that point, everything was working nicely.

I also updated a Dell Venue Pro 8 tablet. The only problem that I've encountered so far on that is that when I run skype in Portrait mode, the camera is showing my face sideways. I haven't done an actual skype call to see what the other person sees, and whether their camera is displayed sideways on my screen yet, though.

Do you have the link for the gesture app?

Bayberry · 31-07-2015 08:25PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Do you have the link for the gesture app?

This is the version I got

But I've since read that Win10 is supposed to have built in gesture support - I've been meaning to uninstall SmartGesture and see if the built in gestures work for me, but I haven't have a chance to do that yet.

Tomagotchye · 31-07-2015 09:00PM

After the few days of me trying to get this one update to go through amid endless errors, it decided this evening randomly to just no longer need it. Now happily installing. About time

irishmover · 31-07-2015 09:20PM

dbit wrote: »

HAs anyone else had any opinions on the fact MS are advertising the new high fuluting DX 12 with fast api call support and listing only AMD products as compatailbe ? (nothing to do with the fact MS bought AMD recently ?) The delivery on the performance metrics looks impressive . The way in which DX12 is completly re-architected sounds super sexy , but what about all you Nvidia people . Will MS drag the balls out of it now and wait till the very cusp of each legal battle is reached ?? IE does nyone think MS will try to hamper or slowdown Nvidia development ??

Ridiculous claim nothing to back this post up, creating a discussion on a thread about something entirely different leading to the derailing of said thread now. I had to syphon out all the crap to see what people were posting about windows 10 in a windows 10 thread

dbit wrote: »

Lol i cannot stop laughing at you . what a child, this forum is for this exact type of discusion , if you can discredit people and their topics so easily it says tonnes about the person really. What ever .

This forum is, this thread is not. Nice personal attack.

dbit wrote: »

If you could read i was asking a question and looking for valid input on the suggested posts . but fire away be mean, nasty and try to make your self seem more intelligent . You go for your life kid.

Attacks my reading comprehension as opposed to my post. Calls me mean and nasty yet I did not name call, second time calling me a child, I attacked your post and not you.

Still waiting for you to back up your claims from the original post.

irishmover · 31-07-2015 09:26PM

sentient_6 wrote: »

I use shortcuts alot, but win+d(minimise all back to desktop) is driving me crazy because the start menu keeps popping up, which isn't the way it has functioned until now.

Windows D works normal for me.

Julez wrote: »

That's one thing I didn't do. I did UK English. I'll have to try again when I get home. Also, how do I know which editions I should install? I presume just Windows 10 home, but they had windows 10 home N and single language and stuff.

Did you manage to get your download working yet?

kingtiger · 31-07-2015 11:02PM

how was I offered the free upgrade on a Enterprise key for Windows 8.1?

I have upgraded all my other Windows devices with win 7 pro \ 8.1 pro OEMS

but my main rig is with an enterprise key, how is this possible?

MagicMarker · 31-07-2015 11:58PM

Can someone please tell me where the remote desktop is??? That search function in W10 is basically useless.

Wompa1 · 01-08-2015 12:04AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Can someone please tell me where the remote desktop is??? That search function in W10 is basically useless.

It hasn't changed....it's under Windows Accessories in the start menu. You can also do a Windows+R and type in mstsc.

The search is taking some getting use to. Due to the start menu sucking I have to use the search a lot. It works great, it's just getting use to using it for navigation that's strange.

If I type Rem...Remote Desktop is the first thing that comes up....not sure what you're seeing...

MagicMarker · 01-08-2015 12:19AM

Thanks for that, got it.

The search tool doesn't bring up anything for me, no matter what I type!

threein99 · 01-08-2015 01:06AM

Has anyone installed this on a Samsung rv511 laptop?

EoghanIRL · 01-08-2015 01:09AM

threein99 wrote: »

Has anyone installed this on a Samsung rv511 laptop?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications#sysreqs

Use this to check your specs if that's what you are wondering.

3rdDegree · 01-08-2015 02:35AM

Had an issue where Outlook would not send any mails. They just remained stuck in the Outlook and the error 0x800CCC13 was displayed. In case anyone else get's this also, fix is here:

http://www.msoutlook.info/question/cannot-send-after-windows-10-upgrade

Gone Drinking · 01-08-2015 07:08AM

I installed Windows 10 last night. It bombed out half way through with some graphics error but continued from where it left off once it restarted.

When I got into Windows 10, I noticed it was using the Intel HD onboard chip, rather than my Geforce 770m. When I tried to launch the GeForce experience options from the desktop, it said there's no supported devices for this software found.

I tried installing the latest GeForce driver but it also said the same thing. I ended up rolling back to 8.1

Upon rolling back to 8.1, I had the same issue! No GeForce graphics card detected. I rolled back to a restore point that was even further back and it was the same thing. It didn't reappear until I booted into the bios and looked for the graphics card there (it was seen in the bios). Once I went back into Windows it was seen again.

Weird. I've updated my GeForce drivers now on Windows 8. I'll try installing Windows 10 now that they're updated and see how I get on.

irishmover · 01-08-2015 08:13AM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I installed Windows 10 last night. It bombed out half way through with some graphics error but continued from where it left off once it restarted.

When I got into Windows 10, I noticed it was using the Intel HD onboard chip, rather than my Geforce 770m. When I tried to launch the GeForce experience options from the desktop, it said there's no supported devices for this software found.

I tried installing the latest GeForce driver but it also said the same thing. I ended up rolling back to 8.1

Upon rolling back to 8.1, I had the same issue! No GeForce graphics card detected. I rolled back to a restore point that was even further back and it was the same thing. It didn't reappear until I booted into the bios and looked for the graphics card there (it was seen in the bios). Once I went back into Windows it was seen again.

Weird. I've updated my GeForce drivers now on Windows 8. I'll try installing Windows 10 now that they're updated and see how I get on.

Did you try simply restarting your computer? I've a 980ti when I first got into win10 it was running on intel. I went and downloaded the win10 WHQL driver and it wouldn't apply it. I restarted my computer (first time since initial boot into desktop for win10) and it automatically downloaded the 353.62 driver.

Shred · 01-08-2015 08:48AM

I'm impressed so far, it's very smooth. I tested Xbox One streaming and it worked perfectly, did some (PC) gaming last night and no issues so far.

So I have a question:

I'm just waiting on my new case to arrive and then I will be building a new PC next week. What steps are involved in getting my fully activated W10 onto this (I have a retail W7 key)? I've had a look around and there are some mixed messages on the MS support forums, hopefully I don't need to go the route of installing W7 and upgrading again before I can do a clean W10 install.

Windows 10

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