Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

Cosmo Kramer · 20-07-2015 10:47AM

washman3 wrote: »

To answer both your questions :
(1) the guy stated that AOS is well on his way to being his county/country greatest. Gooch,Donoghue,Brogan,Connolly or indeed Donaghy would've scored half a dozen goals today.

(2) its the attitude rather than the opinion of the internet poster that reflects why Mayo have fall at the final hurdle. its an attitude shared by many posters and many within the county that ultimately woks its way into the mindset of the squad.

I've seen it many times over the years in Limerick hurling, players compared to Mick Mackey after a display in a league game or a championship game against mediocre opposition only to fall flat on their arses against Tipp, Kilkenny or Cork in big games.
There is one particular Limerick journalist (also an RTE commentator) who for years has warned fans against placing young players on pedestals, yet is lampooned for doing so by the majority in Limerick.
A true case of shooting the messenger.

Dublin and Kerry face plenty of teams of a similar or poorer standard than Mayo faced today in their own provinces on a regular basis so, like other posters here, I want to see you back up answer 1) with evidence of where the players you mention have demonstrated the scoring ability you claim.

In relation to 2) all I can say is you obviously know little or nothing about the current Mayo panel.

Fr Tod Umptious · 20-07-2015 01:08PM

washman3 wrote: »

To answer both your questions :....,,

(2) its the attitude rather than the opinion of the internet poster that reflects why Mayo have fall at the final hurdle. its an attitude shared by many posters and many within the county that ultimately woks its way into the mindset of the squad......

This is typical of the rubbish that people from outside Mayo use to try and explain some sort of neurological complex that has prevented Mayo teams from winning and All Ireland.

If we as Mayo people express confidence in the team we are accused of being a hype merchants and that hype will inevitably infect the squad and ruin them.

On the other hand if we Mayo people express concern or try to identify areas that need improvement in a performance we are accused of negativity and that will inevitably infect the squad and ruin them.

HighKing33 · 20-07-2015 01:20PM

Mayo have a great team, serious competitive footballers who have grown up with passion for the game. They are a joy to watch most of the time. Most supporters in the country would be happy with that. Success will come just as it did with the minors.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 20-07-2015 02:45PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

This is typical of the rubbish that people from outside Mayo use to try and explain some sort of neurological complex that has prevented Mayo teams from winning and All Ireland.

If we as Mayo people express confidence in the team we are accused of being a hype merchants and that hype will inevitably infect the squad and ruin them.

On the other hand if we Mayo people express concern or try to identify areas that need improvement in a performance we are accused of negativity and that will inevitably infect the squad and ruin them.

You really can't win on this front. No what attitude we have, it's apparently to blame for every problem with Mayo football.

Ascii · 20-07-2015 02:56PM

Happy with the victory over all....five in a row is a great achievement.
Worried about the defence. Caff and Tom C were caught ball watching on a few occasions and often left their man goal side of them all to easily. Fair dues to Clarke for helping keep the scoreline in shape. Don't think Tom C has the pace needed. IMO Barrett/Keane/Zippy are our best back three...albeit they have not had a competitive outing together.

Feel the time is up for McLoughin. He has not found the form of 2012/2013 and has been below par since. In a game where barrett, leeroy and donie all scored in what was a pure shootout its disappointing that our half forward did not register a white flag. Think its time to put Doherty out with Diarmuid as the wing forwards. This would free up the corner for Ronaldson or freezer who would thrive well off AOS breaking ball and take some of the pressure off COC.

I would question them bringing on dillion for moran when the game was won. Dillion had 7 medals his pocket and it would have been better to give the experience and shooting time to Sweeney or Gallagher or some of the younger fringe players.

Thoughts anyone ??

naughto · 20-07-2015 03:06PM

Ascii wrote: »

Happy with the victory over all....five in a row is a great achievement.
Worried about the defence. Caff and Tom C were caught ball watching on a few occasions and often left their man goal side of them all to easily. Fair dues to Clarke for helping keep the scoreline in shape. Don't think Tom C has the pace needed. IMO Barrett/Keane/Zippy are our best back three...albeit they have not had a competitive outing together.

Feel the time is up for McLoughin. He has not found the form of 2012/2013 and has been below par since. In a game where barrett, leeroy and donie all scored in what was a pure shootout its disappointing that our half forward did not register a white flag. Think its time to put Doherty out with Diarmuid as the wing forwards. This would free up the corner for Ronaldson or freezer who would thrive well off AOS breaking ball and take some of the pressure off COC.

I would question them bringing on dillion for moran when the game was won. Dillion had 7 medals his pocket and it would have been better to give the experience and shooting time to Sweeney or Gallagher or some of the younger fringe players.

Thoughts anyone ??

Agree regards mcloughin should not be on the starting 15.I also think Andy would be a better sub than for him starting as he does not have the legs for it and slows up the play to much.it was a great win but and its a big but or back line are going to cost us.Vaughan needs to stay back I no he scored 3points yesterday but was very lazy getting back.

blinding · 20-07-2015 03:13PM

naughto wrote: »

Agree regards mcloughin should not be on the starting 15.I also think Andy would be a better sub than for him starting as he does not have the legs for it and slows up the play to much.it was a great win but and its a big but or back line are going to cost us.Vaughan needs to stay back I no he scored 3points yesterday but was very lazy getting back.

I agree about Andy's Lack of legs

. Better now as an experienced sub if thats what is needed.
McLoughlin is well off form for a while now. Has Vaughan got that discipline that is needed for defensive cover. I don't think Cunniffe is secure enough for a full back line.

Best of Keane, Cafferky, Higgins, Barret for me in the full back line. Higgins was not at his best yesterday but I suppose that Full Forward line is Sligo's best line.

seligehgit · 20-07-2015 07:26PM

Ascii wrote: »

Happy with the victory over all....five in a row is a great achievement.
Worried about the defence. Caff and Tom C were caught ball watching on a few occasions and often left their man goal side of them all to easily. Fair dues to Clarke for helping keep the scoreline in shape. Don't think Tom C has the pace needed. IMO Barrett/Keane/Zippy are our best back three...albeit they have not had a competitive outing together.

Feel the time is up for McLoughin. He has not found the form of 2012/2013 and has been below par since. In a game where barrett, leeroy and donie all scored in what was a pure shootout its disappointing that our half forward did not register a white flag. Think its time to put Doherty out with Diarmuid as the wing forwards. This would free up the corner for Ronaldson or freezer who would thrive well off AOS breaking ball and take some of the pressure off COC.

I would question them bringing on dillion for moran when the game was won. Dillion had 7 medals his pocket and it would have been better to give the experience and shooting time to Sweeney or Gallagher or some of the younger fringe players.

Thoughts anyone ??

Definitely agree that unfortunately Kevin McLoughlin's form does not justify a place in the first 15.Hoping he can turn this major slump in form around.

Alan Freeman could greatly benefit from Aidan O Shea's breaking ball if Jason Doherty was brought out to the half forward line.

Certainly it was a fit of mawkish sentimentality bringing Alan Dillon on for another medal,he did quite well.But there would have been a greater benefit giving one of the experienced members of the squad a run out.

Do not believe it is in Donal Vaughan's DNA to call a halt to his offensive forays but his lack of mobility hampers his ability to get back quickly even when he has the inclination to do same.

I'd have a full back line of Cunniffe,Keane and Zippy.Ger Cafferkey is struggling too greatly to start I believe and Kevin Keane may in spite of his obvious lack of mobility be best able to deal with the aerial and physical threat of a Kieran Donaghy like full forward.

The best question is what type of a defensive set up to put in place or who to play as a sweeper if we encounter an aerial bombardment or lest we be foolish enough to go toe to toe with a Dublin like team?Previous attempts at a sweeper system have not garnered great rewards.

I believe the current management have no such plans in place and their underlying philosophy is we'll score more than you irrespective of what we concede.:eek:

mrfg · 20-07-2015 11:16PM

washman3 wrote: »

It was a brilliant performance, nobody denying that.
My point is that other top forwards would've matched that score today due to the poor quality of the opposition.
The difference is Gooch, JOD, Connolly, Murphy etc will do it on big days against big teams. AOS up to now has not. simple as.

This is not true that AOS has buckled against the better teams, last year Kerry kicked him into the ground and had 2/3 men on him constantly and he still played wee, remember his perforfance against Donegal in 2013

washman3 · 20-07-2015 11:21PM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Dublin and Kerry face plenty of teams of a similar or poorer standard than Mayo faced today in their own provinces on a regular basis so, like other posters here, I want to see you back up answer 1) with evidence of where the players you mention have demonstrated the scoring ability you claim.

In relation to 2) all I can say is you obviously know little or nothing about the current Mayo panel.

Dublin hammered Longford a few weeks ago. They could have won that game by another 12-15 points if the really wanted to. Against Westmeath they just bided their time, then in the space of 3 minutes scored 2-3. But Westmeath must be commended because at least they came with a plan, ie to stay as close as possible to Dublin until half time. They deployed not 1 but 2 sweepers in front of goal. Unlike Sligo, who appeared to have no plan, just go out and go toe to toe with a superior physical side. Madness.
I watched Kerry play Tipp some weeks back, a side that really fancied their chances against the Kingdom. Can safely say that Kerry never had to come out of second gear, yet just brushed Tipp aside scoring points at will when on several occasions they could've carried ball and scored goals.
I watched both teams leaving the pitch, Tipp were shattered, Kerry had hardly broken a sweat. My point is that Gooch and co. know all that's needed at this stage is to get the job done. Their real focus is August/September.

The very fact that so many posters thanked your post again demonstrates the groupthink that exists in the county, which will in time, work its way through to the squad.

washman3 · 20-07-2015 11:31PM

mrfg wrote: »

This is not true that AOS has buckled against the better teams, last year Kerry kicked him into the ground and had 2/3 men on him constantly and he still played wee, remember his perforfance against Donegal in 2013

Then its a poor reflection on him that a player of his physique allowed that to happen. I attended the replay in Limerick and he was laid flat on his arse by young Paul Murphy, arguably the smallest player to ever play in a Kerry defence.
Contrast that to the display Donaghy gave in the Gaelic Grounds. Caused pandemonium every time a ball was played his way even though Mayo knew exactly what was coming after the drawn game. And he still was able to deflect a possible Mayo point away from danger in injury time on his own goal-line.

Cosmo Kramer · 20-07-2015 11:44PM

Has anyone's season ticket attendances updated on the website, both tickets on my account are still saying did not attend even though they were both used (and scanned) yesterday?

kippy · 21-07-2015 12:02AM

washman3 wrote: »

Then its a poor reflection on him that a player of his physique allowed that to happen. I attended the replay in Limerick and he was laid flat on his arse by young Paul Murphy, arguably the smallest player to ever play in a Kerry defence.
Contrast that to the display Donaghy gave in the Gaelic Grounds. Caused pandemonium every time a ball was played his way even though Mayo knew exactly what was coming after the drawn game. And he still was able to deflect a possible Mayo point away from danger in injury time on his own goal-line.

Well isn't he a great lad altogether for his county. Again O Shea has put in some great performances for Mayo over the years and is heading towards being one of the best players ever for Mayo.
I note despite a poor attempt at deflecting attention you've yet to give an example of any of those forwards scoring six goals in a single game for their county.
The attitude of fans is not why Mayo haven won an all Ireland.

washman3 · 21-07-2015 12:35AM

kippy wrote: »

I note despite a poor attempt at deflecting attention you've yet to give an example of any of those forwards scoring six goals in a single game for their county.
The attitude of fans is not why Mayo haven won an all Ireland.

Read my original post again bud. Its post #9230.
That where I state that Gooch, JOD and co. would have scored 6 goals against Sligo such was the ineptness of the defence. Then read my subsequent posts where I state that these guys focus is more on August/September and winning Sam and see that when a game is won at this time of year they just pop over the points rather than driving for more goals. Nowhere did I claim that I've ever witnessed any of these guys scoring 6 goals in a single game, which I assume you know, but it doesn't suit you petty agenda.
Read the posts.!!

kippy · 21-07-2015 07:33AM

washman3 wrote: »

Read my original post again bud. Its post #9230.
That where I state that Gooch, JOD and co. would have scored 6 goals against Sligo such was the ineptness of the defence. Then read my subsequent posts where I state that these guys focus is more on August/September and winning Sam and see that when a game is won at this time of year they just pop over the points rather than driving for more goals. Nowhere did I claim that I've ever witnessed any of these guys scoring 6 goals in a single game, which I assume you know, but it doesn't suit you petty agenda.
Read the posts.!!

I read the posts. They've never scored six in any game so suggesting they would against Sligo is nonsense. And as for August and September, you'll hardly find any county more focused on august and September over the past few years than Mayo. As I've said a hope of a ball, a bit of luck, a poor decision and one of any other number of variables is why they haven't crossed the line. Not the attitude of some supporters.
I'd like to know what my petty agenda is. Would you care to point it out?

yop · 21-07-2015 07:53AM

Don't feed, we know the calibre of posts from the past and again proves it, so just ignore.

Audioslaven · 21-07-2015 09:23AM

washman3 wrote: »

Read my original post again bud. Its post #9230.
That where I state that Gooch, JOD and co. would have scored 6 goals against Sligo such was the ineptness of the defence. Then read my subsequent posts where I state that these guys focus is more on August/September and winning Sam and see that when a game is won at this time of year they just pop over the points rather than driving for more goals. Nowhere did I claim that I've ever witnessed any of these guys scoring 6 goals in a single game, which I assume you know, but it doesn't suit you petty agenda.
Read the posts.!!

That's complete bollox. Any decent forward worth his salt will go for a goal if it is on. What difference does it make anyway. It's about wining games and Mayo did what they had to do. You cannot blame them for scoring all they did.
Mayo's focus has always been to get to August/September as well. They have been there the last five years.

glanlea · 21-07-2015 09:23AM

does any body think that mayo have left the cat out of the bag by playing AOS at full forward for two games they were going to win regardless. Should they not have kept him out the field and have him as a secret weapon for the dubs?

Cosmo Kramer · 21-07-2015 09:35AM

glanlea wrote: »

does any body think that mayo have left the cat out of the bag by playing AOS at full forward for two games they were going to win regardless. Should they not have kept him out the field and have him as a secret weapon for the dubs?

Possibly, but he also needed game time in the championship there as he is still learning the position. I don't think they could have expected it to possibly go as well as it did against Sligo. Regardless of whether it's Donegal or Tyrone next he was never going to get anything like the same space regardless, they'll both have three men on him by the time he lands with the ball so the focus now needs to be on having runners off him constantly so that he can distribute it as soon as he gets it, otherwise he'll just drive into traffic and cough up possession. Even then, we'll need more variety than just that tactic to progress further, the long ball to AOS alone won't be enough.

lostcat · 21-07-2015 10:45AM

glanlea wrote: »

does any body think that mayo have left the cat out of the bag by playing AOS at full forward for two games they were going to win regardless. Should they not have kept him out the field and have him as a secret weapon for the dubs?

Unless they have no intention of putting him FF in the latter stages?

Rawhead · 21-07-2015 11:08AM

glanlea wrote: »

does any body think that mayo have left the cat out of the bag by playing AOS at full forward for two games they were going to win regardless. Should they not have kept him out the field and have him as a secret weapon for the dubs?

It's all well and good knowing it's coming, it's another thing being able to deal with him. He won't get the same freedom against Eamon McGee or Rory Carroll, but on form (and he's in the form of his life) he is damn near unmarkable. He is the kind of player who causes opposition managers and full backs to spend long hours staring at the bedroom ceiling. While everyone is focusing on Aiden O'Shea, Cillian and Diarmuid (who is now favourite for young player of the year) are roaming around causing havoc.
I also think that management have not shown their hand defensively.

NabyLadistheman · 21-07-2015 11:20AM

Rawhead wrote: »

I also think that management have not shown their hand defensively.

Been thinking this myself. We know we are the best team in Connaught and without being arrogant about it knew we could go out and beat Sligo on our terms playing the way we usually do. With O'Shea and Cillian as focal points up top we actually have the perfect team to play a counter-attacking game against the Dubs down the line. (provided we progress of course)

People say the team hasn't really changed since the 2 boys came in. I disagree. Obviously O'Shea at full-forward is the biggest difference. Parsons excelling and young O'Connor is a year older and has progressed. We now also have a better goalie in Clarke. Our bench looks strong, lads coming in contributing. McLoughlin is crying out to be played as a sweeper along with somebody else. People keep on about our shaky full-back line but if we put 2 bodies in front of them against any of the big three our last line of defence will be perfectly fine!

I just hope our management team are thinking a step ahead on this because come the end of the season if we fall short after going man-to-man they will have to go. End of

ColeTrain · 21-07-2015 11:24AM

Connelly and Holmes have an unreal amount of options at the moment. Take the forwards, you have Conroy ( who is meant to be in great form at the minute ), Regan, Dillion, Ronaldson, Freeman.

Midfield can call on Barry Moran and Gibbons ( not sure if he's fit )

The backs then have Keane, Barrett and Durcan - who didn't start the last day.

A vs B games must be serious at the minute. It all bodes well.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 21-07-2015 01:44PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Midfield can call on Barry Moran and Gibbons ( not sure if he's fit )

As far as I know Gibbons is off the panel. I don't think we will see him this year.

I was thrilled to see the performance Mayo gave on Sunday. When you think about all that has happened in the years since the Longford disaster, we may have since been dominating Connacht but in the meantime we have nearly lost to London, squeezed past Roscommon and Sligo in subsequent finals and had to dig deep to overcome a resurgent Roscommon last year. Yet the players have kept plugging away and are showing clear improvement year on year, culminating in the biggest ever tally posted in a Connacht Final. Whatever happens this year they are a credit to themselves and the county. 'Psychological Damage' my arse. Hon Mayo!

Utopia Parkway · 21-07-2015 02:01PM

glanlea wrote: »

does any body think that mayo have left the cat out of the bag by playing AOS at full forward for two games they were going to win regardless. Should they not have kept him out the field and have him as a secret weapon for the dubs?

Without him at 14 they may not have even beaten Galway when you look back at that game. To be honest I could not believe how Sligo set up against him. Basically left a young lad isolated on him.

That said from now on you would expect him to come in for a lot of extra pre-match attention from the better sides.

Oldtree · 21-07-2015 03:36PM

What a fantastic performance. What stood out for me was the ball handling esp the sticky fingers

with the high balls. lovely.

naughto · 21-07-2015 03:52PM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Has anyone's season ticket attendances updated on the website, both tickets on my account are still saying did not attend even though they were both used (and scanned) yesterday?

Checked mine there it has being updated

ColeTrain · 21-07-2015 04:04PM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

As far as I know Gibbons is off the panel. I don't think we will see him this year.

I was thrilled to see the performance Mayo gave on Sunday. When you think about all that has happened in the years since the Longford disaster, we may have since been dominating Connacht but in the meantime we have nearly lost to London, squeezed past Roscommon and Sligo in subsequent finals and had to dig deep to overcome a resurgent Roscommon last year. Yet the players have kept plugging away and are showing clear improvement year on year, culminating in the biggest ever tally posted in a Connacht Final. Whatever happens this year they are a credit to themselves and the county. 'Psychological Damage' my arse. Hon Mayo!

Agree 100%, especially the part bit in bold.

The team have been through the wars down the years and yet they keep delivering performances like Sunday. Granted, it was a Division 1 team vs a Division 3 but they still deserve credit. The problem is when you give praise to Mayo after a good performance, you get shot down, more than likely because people are used to seeing us winning the majority of our games and not surprisingly are scared of any sort of hype.

After Sunday a lot of people were going on about the 2-11 conceded but also failing to realise that the game was over about ten minutes, of course we were going to get a bit complacent at the back. It was the same with our win over Roscommon last year, the amount of drivel spouted after that game was embarrassing! I thought we showed massive character to grind out a win, when you consider the terrible conditions, the blanket defence Roscommon used and the fact we were away from home against a team who were dying to beat us.

All in all, I hope the team enjoyed Sunday and it will definitely give them a good lift. Nobody will look any further than our quarter final, supporters and players alike. I think it's fair to say that no team will want to play us in the quarters. It's not that far away either, it'll be soon time to start planning to iron the jersey.

km79 · 21-07-2015 06:23PM

make sure he check here attendance from Sunday if he have a season ticket
my friend who drove me to the match has not had his updated.
he emailed them and was told no issues with scanners so basically tough luck !

glack · 21-07-2015 08:00PM

km79 wrote: »

make sure he check here attendance from Sunday if he have a season ticket
my friend who drove me to the match has not had his updated.
he emailed them and was told no issues with scanners so basically tough luck !

My sisters wasn't updated and mine was. We went through different gates but entered at the same time. Very frustrating as she should have 100% attendance.

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