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Irish state now will now accept a trans persons own declaration of their gender

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  • #542
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You could create a 3rd area a Transgender area for changing and all that. Would that not solve the problem ?

    A literally 'other' transgender individuals in a physical way... I doubt it.


  • #543
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    A literally 'other' transgender individuals in a physical way... I doubt it.

    But Transgender is acknowledged ? so where is the harm in using that word for a room for Transgender people to change in ?


  • #544
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,192 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Muckracker wrote: »
    It's a mental illness. These people need help. They shouldn't have their delusions pandered to.

    I'd say the same thing about bigots.


  • #545
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    The practicalities of gender change and of the associated paperwork may turn out to be complicated.
    Have health insurance and life companies been consulted? How many times can a person change his/her/his/her gender? Does a debt remain after a change if the original application specified a different gender?

    And so on..


  • #546
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You could create a 3rd area a Transgender area for changing and all that. Would that not solve the problem ?
    Why not give us our own water fountains while you're at it?


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  • #547
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    But Transgender is acknowledged ? so where is the harm in using that word for a room for Transgender people to change in ?

    Because "transgender" is not itself a gender. How would allowing transgender folk to change in the relevant changing room not be simpler?

    Well obviously non-segregated changing rooms would be simpler again but I think we're a ways from that yet.


  • #548
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You could create a 3rd area a Transgender area for changing and all that. Would that not solve the problem ?

    Or you could be adult and realise that there is not a single iota of sexuality about using the jacks or getting changed.


  • #549
    de5p0i1er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭de5p0i1er


    It's great to see that this country has moved on from the days were we were told our opinion by the church and are accepting people for who they are and not what some old fashioned set of rules written by people in ivory towers with no understanding of real world problems.


  • #550
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    de5p0i1er wrote: »
    It's great to see that this country has moved on from the days were we were told our opinion by the church and are accepting people for who they are and not what some old fashioned set of rules written by people in ivory towers with no understanding of real world problems.

    today we are told what opinion to hold by another group in ivory towers


  • #551
    Two Sheds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Two Sheds


    de5p0i1er wrote: »
    It's great to see that this country has moved on from the days were we were told our opinion by the church and are accepting people for who they are and not what some old fashioned set of rules written by people in ivory towers with no understanding of real world problems.
    'Bread and circuses'! Your govt. will give you such distractions while it connives to invent ways of nailing you to lifelong servitude or poverty.


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  • #552
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Links234 wrote: »
    Why not give us our own water fountains while you're at it?

    :pac:


  • #553
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    P_1 wrote: »
    Or you could be adult and realise that there is not a single iota of sexuality about using the jacks or getting changed.

    Name calling classy, Transgender people have no effect on my life I would not care one bit if they changed in an area I was in. Neither would I worry about a gay man beside me in a shower.


  • #554
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Name calling classy, Transgender people have no effect on my life I would not care one bit if they changed in an area I was in. Neither would I worry about a gay man beside me in a shower.

    You would swear the way some people go on that all lgbt people are sex crazed attackers waiting to pounce in changing rooms

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #555
    OneOfThem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭OneOfThem


    With how prominent they've been in the news as of late, my brain auto corrected 'Irish state' to 'Islamic state' in the thread title.

    Jaysus, that's a turn up for the books, I was thinking.


  • #556
    RWCNT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Name calling classy

    What name calling though?


  • #557
    OneOfThem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭OneOfThem


    Should just have unisex toilets and changing rooms in this day and age I reckon. Time people grew up.


  • #558
    zeffabelli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    You would swear the way some people go on that all lgbt people are sex crazed attackers waiting to pounce in changing rooms

    Not really and that's a bit histrionic.

    My boy is hitting an age where he is too old to go into the ladies but too young to go into the gents by himself. Or relevant changing rooms.

    It's not that the women would view a nine year old boy as a sex crazed attacker, but he just doesn't belong there. He should not be exposed to naked women and their daughters changing and they don't feel comfortable with males there once they hit a certain self conscious age.

    It has nothing to do with sexual predation.


  • #559
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You could create a 3rd area a Transgender area for changing and all that. Would that not solve the problem ?
    No, because then you'd have men and women changing in the same area anyway.

    The solution is to get rid of gender segregation completely. Take existing changing rooms, make one the "changing room" that's open and full of lockers as they are right now, and the other is the "changing cubicles", where you can go take up a private cubicle so your sensitivities aren't hurt and you don't accidentally see someone else naked. And anyone can choose to use either.

    When the queues start forming for the cubicles, people will just start using the changing room.


  • #560
    zeffabelli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    seamus wrote: »
    No, because then you'd have men and women changing in the same area anyway.

    The solution is to get rid of gender segregation completely. Take existing changing rooms, make one the "changing room" that's open and full of lockers as they are right now, and the other is the "changing cubicles", where you can go take up a private cubicle so your sensitivities aren't hurt and you don't accidentally see someone else naked. And anyone can choose to use either.

    When the queues start forming for the cubicles, people will just start using the changing room.

    This would be offensive to the Muslim community. And to many other parts of the community.

    We already have gender segregation in school and in many girls still can't wear trousers, in ours the boys are made play gaa and the girls are forbidden to.

    Your vision is disconnected from the realities of life in this country and all to accommodate a teeny weeny portion of the population.


  • #561
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    seamus wrote: »
    No, because then you'd have men and women changing in the same area anyway.

    The solution is to get rid of gender segregation completely. Take existing changing rooms, make one the "changing room" that's open and full of lockers as they are right now, and the other is the "changing cubicles", where you can go take up a private cubicle so your sensitivities aren't hurt and you don't accidentally see someone else naked. And anyone can choose to use either.

    When the queues start forming for the cubicles, people will just start using the changing room.

    Do you really think people are ready for that.


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  • #562
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,139 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    This would be offensive to the Muslim community. And to many other parts of the community.

    We already have gender segregation in school and in many girls still can't wear trousers, in ours the boys are made play gaa and the girls are forbidden to.

    Your vision is disconnected from the realities of life in this country and all to accommodate a teeny weeny portion of the population.

    whereabouts in the 1970's do you live?


  • #563
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    This would be offensive to the Muslim community.
    Tough sh*t. Religion is a choice. Gender and sexuality are not.


  • #564
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    This would be offensive to the Muslim community. And to many other parts of the community.

    We already have gender segregation in school and in many girls still can't wear trousers, in ours the boys are made play gaa and the girls are forbidden to.

    Your vision is disconnected from the realities of life in this country and all to accommodate a teeny weeny portion of the population.

    We're (well supposed to be anyway) a secular republic. In a secular republic all citizens are equal regardless of their gender and superstitious sensibilities should not be pandered to


  • #565
    strelok
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭strelok


    eh, no. in a secular republic the government shouldn't have any official religion or any religious tests to hold office or serve

    secular republic does not cover swimming pools catering to muslim clientelle


  • #566
    zeffabelli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    seamus wrote: »
    Tough sh*t. Religion is a choice. Gender and sexuality are not.

    Wow such tolerance.


  • #567
    zeffabelli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    P_1 wrote: »
    We're (well supposed to be anyway) a secular republic. In a secular republic all citizens are equal regardless of their gender and superstitious sensibilities should not be pandered to

    This is not a secular republic. Stop kidding yourself.

    What gets me about these threads is the tolerance is all one direction.


  • #568
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    This is not a secular republic. Stop kidding yourself.

    What gets me about these threads is the tolerance is all one direction.

    I don't tolerate boy bands music :pac:


  • #569
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Wow such tolerance.

    How does the shoe fit? We've had to put up with it long enough although unlike yourselves we're happy just being left alone and would rather not force our way of life on you.


  • #570
    Muckracker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭Muckracker


    Links234 wrote: »
    Why not give us our own water fountains while you're at it?

    Not a bad idea.


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  • #571
    strelok
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭strelok


    P_1 wrote: »
    How does the shoe fit? We've had to put up with it long enough although unlike yourselves we're happy just being left alone and would rather not force our way of life on you.

    http://sandiegofreepress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/red-star-hammer-sickle.jpg
    :D


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