Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Figsy32 · 13-07-2015 03:32PM

Horse84 wrote: »

Christy o'connor says here that Lawton's man marking job didn't pay off at all. On the Sunday game and in other reports he's being lauded. The stats suggest that kelly still had a huge influence on the game. Does the truth lie somewhere in between or what do people think?

What I liked about Lawton is that he made Kelly work for everything he got. Kelly is always going to get on ball and chip on with a few scores but he stopped him from taking complete control and creating goal chances. As important again was it allowed Ellis to play sweeper. That's his job done IMO.

youngbob · 13-07-2015 03:38PM

Horse84 wrote: »

Christy o'connor says here that Lawton's man marking job didn't pay off at all. On the Sunday game and in other reports he's being lauded. The stats suggest that kelly still had a huge influence on the game. Does the truth lie somewhere in between or what do people think?

If you went by stats alone Harnedy was the same as O Donnell scored 2pts & 4 assists but their impact on the game was very different. Stats only tell part of the story it's the effort that you put in or the impression that the fans think you're putting in that lifts the team. ODonnell is a fine player but he does a raw deal at times because of the impression people have of him. Kelly is an unmarkable player but Lawton stayed with him most of the time & his tracking back to make THAT tackle lifted the whole back line, 140mins no goal conceded

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-07-2015 04:42PM

Horse84 wrote: »

Christy o'connor says here that Lawton's man marking job didn't pay off at all. On the Sunday game and in other reports he's being lauded. The stats suggest that kelly still had a huge influence on the game. Does the truth lie somewhere in between or what do people think?

He was the man I suggested double mark kelly before the game in put marker on him but Lawton cuts the space in front him

Kelly is outstanding four points from play is not bad hold him to but not Lawton problem in he cleaned and hurlers ball after ball and was option puck outs on short ones

Cork ideally would had man marker but such clare too many with few options for Cork
It was great sign of scarification for the end product in cork said look well sacrifice few points but no goals and once goals weren't conceded cork never loose most games as ability score points point any team

Cork showed evolution from all ireland final two years ago when cork man man marked cork marked space and it paid off and Galway won't have many forwards clare mark in canning and manion only ones man marked so Cork should be okay

Lawton was terrific but statics against him five points showed he and correctly so didn't following him around thurles cork marked the centre at all times

Cork like Cusack said in the sunday game has to be kicked and screamed to develop a system and jbm tool four years see change but at last we have one

Whatever happens here on Cork have stick with it and will be better next year however problem is jbm goes landers may not remain

Landers has brought change as he's huge friends jbm and jbm listened him

Sixteen years ago cork were hammered by tippeary in challenge in cork eve waterford game

He wanted to resign

Landers and Cusack persuaded him to stay

Landers brought in by jbm this year

Jbm listened to mark and have no doubt landers made huge change system

I had concern would he be up it in rush from minors but he's been brilliant
All league I said he'd improved cork power play breaking the tackle

After that it was negates as Cork system was orthodox to point and no system

Landers implementation change and it's clear he's huge difference as jbm four years refused consistently embrace it

Jbm deserves credit for changing now better late than never but should been done earlier but jbm faith Lawton Ellis Harnedy and cahalane shows he's management is awesome

It was never about man management with jbm
It was tactical innovation
Now at last ist time four years i see signs tactically innovation and man management cork hurling

It's risk happened too late but key is signs clear signs way forward cork hurling

If jbm goes this year it crucial mulchay doesn't take over as he won't play this system

When jbm goes pat mulchay landers Hartnett and fitness trainee in cody or Wallis way forward for Cork instead other managment

Matthew terrific trainer and done superb work Saturday but like any set up they bring in new trainer

Jbm hopefully can get cork over Galway and we'll take it game by game

If jbm stayed next year with landers it would not be too bad but I think jbm will leave himself after this year win or not all ireland

He was seriously going to walk last year year

He owes cork hurling nothing
Think players know could be last year and certainly didn't want to go out early

Jbm deserved critsed for lack tactic but no one can deny he's left cork hurling much better position than when he took over and he's no under age success

youngbob · 13-07-2015 05:45PM

I know for a fact Adian Walsh said to JBM 2wks after last years semi final that he'd commit to the hurlers if JBM stayed on. loyalty works both ways. I was talking to one of the backroom staff & he say JBM was very low after the game but didn't want to end his term on such a beating.

DylanAFC · 13-07-2015 06:29PM

Quick question to anybody familiar with fitzgerald stadium. Which colour terrace ticket do I buy for behind the goal. Haven't been there in years. Cheers.

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-07-2015 06:36PM

A very good read in the Echo tonight by Derek daly on Cork football

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-07-2015 06:38PM

youngbob wrote: »

I know for a fact Adian Walsh said to JBM 2wks after last years semi final that he'd commit to the hurlers if JBM stayed on. loyalty works both ways. I was talking to one of the backroom staff & he say JBM was very low after the game but didn't want to end his term on such a beating.

That was well known that Walsh rated the senior management over the football one

Figsy32 · 13-07-2015 06:56PM

DylanAFC wrote: »

Quick question to anybody familiar with fitzgerald stadium. Which colour terrace ticket do I buy for behind the goal. Haven't been there in years. Cheers.

O'Connor "Red" is behind one goal!

CORKDOUBLE · 13-07-2015 09:49PM

Looking at the Cork team against Clare there are no All-Ireland Minor or u21 medal winners there ...but how many of the lads have Intermediate medals ? Its not the most important All-Ireland title but it has served Cork very well in a time that we are not winning the "big ones" Minor, U21, or senior....Anthony Nash has 4 medals , Cormac Murphy last year won one Brian Lawton , Lorcan McLoughlin, Luke Farrell have medals as a matter of interest how many more have won All-Ireland Intermediate medals ? Bill Cooper ?

zetecescort · 13-07-2015 09:57PM

Steven Moylan has one I think

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-07-2015 10:14PM

zetecescort wrote: »

Steven Moylan has one I think

Cooper lost in all ireland final I don't think so

Moylan has one that's them I think

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-07-2015 10:15PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Looking at the Cork team against Clare there are no All-Ireland Minor or u21 medal winners there ...but how many of the lads have Intermediate medals ? Its not the most important All-Ireland title but it has served Cork very well in a time that we are not winning the "big ones" Minor, U21, or senior....Anthony Nash has 4 medals , Cormac Murphy last year won one Brian Lawton , Lorcan McLoughlin, Luke Farrell have medals as a matter of interest how many more have won All-Ireland Intermediate medals ? Bill Cooper ?

Nash as sub keeper minor fourteenth years ago has one

DylanAFC · 13-07-2015 10:32PM

Figsy32 wrote: »

O'Connor "Red" is behind one goal!

Cheers pal. Are they selling these online cos I can't seem to find them? Blue and green is all I see!

Figsy32 · 13-07-2015 10:35PM

DylanAFC wrote: »

Cheers pal. Are they selling these online cos I can't seem to find them? Blue and green is all I see!

No idea. I got them in Super Valu for the last game.

Orizio · 14-07-2015 05:54AM

Horse84 wrote: »

Christy o'connor says here that Lawton's man marking job didn't pay off at all. On the Sunday game and in other reports he's being lauded. The stats suggest that kelly still had a huge influence on the game. Does the truth lie somewhere in between or what do people think?

Thought Kelly went missing for large parts of the game. The times he got the ball he was excellent but in the air Lawton dominated. In general Kelly didn't have the influence on the game that you'd expect or that he was capable of. Lawton did his job, particularly when you consider he isn't a man-marker at all and it was his second championship start.

zetecescort · 14-07-2015 12:49PM

Limited number of stand tickets on sale at PUR tomorrow

http://www.gaacork.ie/news/362853/Munster_Football_Final_Replay_Covered_Stand_Tickets

Hurleratheart · 14-07-2015 03:02PM

Wasnt at Munster football final

Were Corn Mhuri draws for coming yearin programme

can someone post up pleas if there

Froggyno11 · 14-07-2015 04:09PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree totally

I think cork would won with Kingston as he can and would score under pressure
I belive this team would got better with games and pressure off having got all Ireland series
I think ring done we'll overall two years and been unlucky with injuries both years
Last year Cork full team still lost Limerick but this year one loss Kingston huge
Cork craved leadership last few minutes and it hard fault lads when none had experience last year
No surprise casey goal and grimes catching very important ball and flangan having strong last quater with Loughlin are all played last year
That leadership and expirence made huge difference
Away from home it is especially needed

As for old failing I agree and Meyler was correct and had balls say it club scene cork is poor but we both know a thing won't be done change it
Wallis said it four years ago and some laughed at him
And four years on we have dismal absolutely ditr championship compare it to kk
The minors two years are going to be good there winning all competitions there in so far so key is they have good management in two years
Talk is and it may or not be true is ring won't be there but few from development squads will be

The rock I hope doesn't get it as he's record is not proven but he wants it have no doubt he just didn't give that interview recently for sake it
He was trying to forget the past as he wants the job

Declan Fitzgerald doing good under sixteen so he's good coach
I'd leave ring there myself

Another year another Minor defeat
That Cork minor team beat that Limerick team comfortably every year from 14 to 17..
There has to be a reason why this age group isn't developing after 16/17
We are under performing at this age year after year with no change...
My second year in a row leaving the Gaelic Grounds hugely disappointed, the last two minor teams would of been rated in the top 3 in the country yet failing to even make a Munster Final.....
Knowledge of the players is a problem, to leave Darragh Fitz and David Lowney, (two serious hurlers) isolated at the edge of the square a huge mistake, with our 2 full back options maning the wings at the time, it was unfair to have these two players so close to the full back line,(Lowney at corner back) and Fitz playing a deep sweeper, madness how this could be done in such a important game....
Not a easy job on the sideline but if I can remember we had a similar situation last year also...
Until we will change we will have no success at minor level, its a pity because there is huge work being put into the development of these players from 14 to 16...

thinkstoomuch1 · 14-07-2015 05:59PM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/fans-inspired-cork-past-clare-declares-seamus-harnedy-342341.html

Great interview

He's really doing everything you would expect from as a future captain

He's made considerable difference to cork and missing the ist game showed with the two display the latest two games shows he importance to cork

Take Wexford he was immense and as soon as he correctly was taken off cork went out of the game
Against clare man of the match
He's sheer presence he's really imo like canty was to cork football the heartbeat cork hurling team in yes so many vital player like cooper Walsh Ellis now Lawton getting to that level, Horgan lehane but Harnedy is like everything roles in to one

He's the timmy macarthy innocent nature of the field in quiet and laid back but hugely unselfish work does for team mates, like timmy a big game player, he's warrior niall mac, in a brave heart he'll go through fire and water for he's team, and then tomas mulchay, pace the strong running with the elegance and guile and composure to score goals or points but can also be versatile and play anywhere in the front six

In he's later years you will see him revert to centre back type of role or sweeper really as he's hurling intelligence second to none and equal to most greats

One thing Cork hurling will be truly grateful to jbm is not just winning a all ireland with Cork but he's the man that brought in Harnedy

You always knew he'd something special it's like meeting the love of your life you just know it's the same in a hurling concept Harnedy was just it
After he's man match performance debut v clare I said a star was born
There's no second season syndrome with he's performance as he's attuide simply won't allow it
Every single game he plays he talk about the values of cork jersey in the way he plays

When he's bad game he's still okay he's standard is so high

CORKDOUBLE · 14-07-2015 11:29PM

Everyone from Kerry 100% certain they will win the replay ...they are full sure we blew our chance the last day ....the lads have it all to do again can we put two very good performances together like the hurlers in the last two weeks if we can we have a chance ...

DanielODonnell · 15-07-2015 02:02AM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

The county that fought the British empire?? The entire country fought the British empire in case Cork are trying to take the credit for that. Indeed Tipperary have far more claim to being the heartbed of the resistance than Cork do. I don't see why they'd want to remember bloody Civil war fighting in the county either as some sort of badge of honour.

The rebel flags are brought in behind the goals by a gang of late teens, early 20s kids who think its cool. People grow out of it and the next gang of kids finally away from their parents at games take it up. Flags of Chev Guevara don't have some long standing tradition and proud tradition with Cork GAA. Some are a mildly amusing play on the 'rebel' tag, others are just brought in cos they're red and unusual. If it causes offense at the moment, then get rid of them. It's not that big a deal, the kids will still do plenty of jumping around behind the goal and everyone will be happy. The term 'Red Army' to describe Cork GAA fans is LOL worthy too

Those nicknames should be taken with a pinch of salt, other examples would be Meath being "the royals" and Tyrone "red hands", there are many more examples of county nicknames not being completely historically accurate.

ciarriaithuaidh · 15-07-2015 04:26PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Everyone from Kerry 100% certain they will win the replay ...they are full sure we blew our chance the last day ....the lads have it all to do again can we put two very good performances together like the hurlers in the last two weeks if we can we have a chance ...

Eh, I don't know who you've been talking to, but I haven't heard a single Kerry person say that since the drawn game. There has been quite a lot of questioning of tactics and team selection actually in Kerry quarters AND it was obvious that Cork are fitter than Kerry right now the last day, which means anybody "100% certain Kerry will win the replay" is not really taking the facts into account.

There's a few rumours that there's going to be a lot of changes to the Kerry team again also, which is not ideal for a replay in my eyes, BUT I would expect an improved performance from Kerry.

Cork camp has been very quiet since the drawn game which is a good sign for them.

CORKDOUBLE · 15-07-2015 05:48PM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Eh, I don't know who you've been talking to, but I haven't heard a single Kerry person say that since the drawn game. There has been quite a lot of questioning of tactics and team selection actually in Kerry quarters AND it was obvious that Cork are fitter than Kerry right now the last day, which means anybody "100% certain Kerry will win the replay" is not really taking the facts into account.

There's a few rumours that there's going to be a lot of changes to the Kerry team again also, which is not ideal for a replay in my eyes, BUT I would expect an improved performance from Kerry.

Cork camp has been very quiet since the drawn game which is a good sign for them.

Have to disagree be honest Kerry are sure of this replay they feel that Cork blew there chance and they wont get a second one .....I have met lots of Kerry people and they are not too worried about this ...

thinkstoomuch1 · 15-07-2015 11:27PM

http://www.the42.ie/kerry-cork-munster-2217904-Jul2015/

Also key result for Cork hurling is Galway beat Wexford handy in the Leinster intermediate final and Cork opponents in the all ireland final in august

It's a good Galway team with a lot of the under twenty ones playing and expirencr ex senior keeper Callan

One to watch is minor from few years ago Brian molloy and Ciarán o brien needs to start full back for Cork as he's the best option to hold him

Galway will look for revenge in cork beat them last year in the semi

You would imagine gaelic-grounds be the venue for Cork Galway

ciarriaithuaidh · 15-07-2015 11:50PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Have to disagree be honest Kerry are sure of this replay they feel that Cork blew there chance and they wont get a second one .....I have met lots of Kerry people and they are not too worried about this ...

Either you're making that up or the only Kerry people you've met haven't a clue, simple as.

Snickers Man · 16-07-2015 01:48PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Some few politically correct liberals (who no doubt know nothing about GAA or could name any player maybe except Gooch) were phoning into Radio Kerry today trying to have the Confederate Flag banned from Killarney for the Replay.

I have never heard such nonsense in my entire life

Cork are known as the Rebel County, the county that fought the British Empire and where some of the fiercest and bloodiest of the fighting during the Irish War of Independence took place, similarly it was where the first shots of the Irish Civil War took place. .

I don't agree with banning the Confederate Flag from your supporters. In the context of a Cork sporting crowd the flag has one meaning only: that of a rebel.

In an American context it means something else. And the argument for restricting its use is, and should be, different over there.

But things have to be taken in their context.

For example, In the context of northern Ireland, a certain tune is known as The Famine Song, and contains the racist/sectarian line "The Famine's over. Why don't you go home"

However would that be grounds for banning the well loved Beach Boys tune the Sloop John B in the US because its tune is used with alternative lyrics for such sectarian purposes in IReland? OF course not.

A similar case could be made against the American Military tune Marching through Georgia, which in the hands of Rangers fans is refitted with the charming lyric "We're up to our necks in Fenian blood, surrender or you;ll die!"

It would be nonsense to ask Americans to silence these tunes for fear of offending easily offended Irishmen. (Most of whom would probably be bloody Corkmen)

So let them fly their Rebel flag.

ProudDUB · 16-07-2015 04:28PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

I don't agree with banning the Confederate Flag from your supporters. In the context of a Cork sporting crowd the flag has one meaning only: that of a rebel.

In an American context it means something else. And the argument for restricting its use is, and should be, different over there.

But things have to be taken in their context.

For example, In the context of northern Ireland, a certain tune is known as The Famine Song, and contains the racist/sectarian line "The Famine's over. Why don't you go home"

However would that be grounds for banning the well loved Beach Boys tune the Sloop John B in the US because its tune is used with alternative lyrics for such sectarian purposes in IReland? OF course not.

A similar case could be made against the American Military tune Marching through Georgia, which in the hands of Rangers fans is refitted with the charming lyric "We're up to our necks in Fenian blood, surrender or you;ll die!"

It would be nonsense to ask Americans to silence these tunes for fear of offending easily offended Irishmen. (Most of whom would probably be bloody Corkmen)

So let them fly their Rebel flag.

No they shouldn't. If something is racist and offensive, it is racist and offensive, regardless where it takes place. Is it ok for me to run down O'Connell St waving a swastika & doing Nazi salutes, just because I am not in Germany and there are no Jewish people around?

If I tell people that the context matters and that I am waving the swastika because it used to be a Hindu symbol of something or other & Adolf just happened to borrow once upon a time....do you really think that people would say "well that's ok then, off you & wave your lovely flag".

I seriously doubt it.

I have joint US and Irish citizenship. I lived in Georgia until 2011. I have family and close friends who are African American. I know first hand how deeply painful & divisive these old Confederate symbols are for them. What is just as painful is the callous "well, it's a part of our culture, so up yours mate" bravado that often accompanies any objection to the flag. Then there is the casual dismissals of concerns as being political correctness ran amok. It's not, it's people finally developing a bit of cop on.

My sister comes home from the US every summer. She brings her two African American daughters with her. What about them? What do we say to them, if they are walking thru the city centre after a game and they see loads of Cork fans waving a rebel flag. What are they supposed to think and feel? Am I supposed to say "Ah shure its all just a bit of harmless craic." Well b0ll0cks to that I say " !

As this is a GAA forum, I'd imagine most posters here are white and are Irish. We have no clue what it is like to grow up in a racially divided society, or to have family members who bear the scars to this day, of being denied opportunities because of segregation and the Jim Crow laws. Do people here even know what the Jim Crow laws are? Well, go off and do some research and then come back on here and defend the waving of Confederate flags, in Ireland, in the US or anywhere else. I wish you luck. You'll need it.

Pretty fast · 16-07-2015 04:35PM

Dear oh dear oh dear.

zetecescort · 16-07-2015 08:02PM

Team Cork Senior Football

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)

2. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s) Capt.

3. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)

4. James Loughrey (Mallow)

5. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)

6. Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)

7. Stephen Cronin (Nemo Rangers)

8. Alan O’Connor (St. Colum’s)

9. Fintan Goold (Macroom)

10. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)

11. Donncha O’Connor (Ballydesmond)

12. Kevin O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)

13. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)

14. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)

15. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)

Subs:

16. Paddy O’Shea (St. Vincent’s)

17. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)

18. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)

19. Conor Dorman (Bishopstown)

20. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)

21. Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues)

22. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)

23. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)

24. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)

25. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)

26. Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)

Selectors: Brian Cuthbert (Bishopstown) - Manager, Owen Sexton, (Kilbrittain), Ciaran O’Sullivan (Urhan), Don Davis (O’Donovan Rossa), Ronan McCarthy (Douglas).

thinkstoomuch1 · 16-07-2015 10:16PM

I hope this is a dummy team and while some think it is im not sure it is in cuthbhertt doesn't do such teams

If this team starts considering kerry dropped Fitzgerald got equaliser shows in one move difference between kerry and Cork
Kerry judge on whole game and seen as doc took him goal two created another one fitzmaurice was ruthless drop Fitzgerald and Murphy geaney mahony and maher hugely huge strengthen kerry and it shows kerry learn from mistake cork dont in half back line all fine players not defensive balance and Gould all he's skill and commitment I genuinely genuinely don't mean be harsh on him but look he's not good enough against kerry as many games replay showed and kelly can't even start

Seriously if this team starts I'm not having a go management for sake it but the dog on street knows kelly awesome last day and involved all cork good play yet dropped

Having him on the bench to spring no good were six points down kerry have momentum won't give up
Derek daly echo Saturday gave great piece and gave management credit but said Saturday is big test and Cork need new script

If this team starts were playing running game and it won't work v kerry and weather meant be bad so running game isn't suited to this and kerry lack pace be negated

If this is dummy team and kelly and clancy and course deane start we have chance
I have no doubt kerry are not great great and can be beatable and looked tired last day but same team I love be wrong but I can't see same cork team winning it when kerry made changes will be fitter and also kerry made subs faster last day

If cork start this team we have nothing to belive they will make sub fast as by making no change from the drawn game it shows imo lack ability see weak spots in the team and aren't ruthless enough to make changes imo

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