Grain price.

Brown Podzol · 24-05-2015 12:33AM

Pitted sugar beet mixed with a pit of maize silage,ton for ton and 100kg soya hulls a couple of weeks ago. Beet was €45/ton, washed,chopped and delivered.

Dawggone · 24-05-2015 05:20AM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Pitted sugar beet mixed with a pit of maize silage,ton for ton and 100kg soya hulls a couple of weeks ago. Beet was €45/ton, washed,chopped and delivered.

Decent pit of fodder there Brown!
The sbeet was damn good value at that price.
Did you buy the maize or repit your own?
You will be needing a good bit of soya to balance that!

Blackgrass · 24-05-2015 05:42AM

If june goes to plan will be a big harvest again this year nice bright 19 degree days with decent rain would be welcome. Crops are clean and first time since mid 00's going by records haven't lost area to Bg at a cost, but compared to the neighbours who skimped on early cover now spending much more on rouging teams to run fire brigade after a big spring flush in April feel pretty vindicated. At 40/40/20 split for W/S/forage-grass just winter millingwheat and wosr so a help as reduce risk in back end. Alot more proteins in spring with malt barley and a few 'trials'. Big boss is happy so alls well in the world, El Nino due to hit so should see some price increase. *wishful thinking

Dawggone · 24-05-2015 05:50AM

Blackgrass wrote: »

If june goes to plan will be a big harvest again this year nice bright 19 degree days with decent rain would be welcome. Crops are clean and first time since mid 00's going by records haven't lost area to Bg at a cost, but compared to the neighbours who skimped on early cover now spending much more on rouging teams to run fire brigade after a big spring flush in April feel pretty vindicated. At 40/40/20 split for W/S/forage-grass just winter millingwheat and wosr so a help as reduce risk in back end. Alot more proteins in spring with malt barley and a few 'trials'. Big boss is happy so alls well in the world, El Nino due to hit so should see some price increase. *wishful thinking

Potential Barnbuster?
I reckon that cloudy days with 19/20degree Heat are the best for grain fill.
Are the heavy rains that are falling in the southern plains in the U.S. a result of El Niño?
Well done on the BG!

Blackgrass · 24-05-2015 06:02AM

Dawggone wrote: »

Potential Barnbuster?
I reckon that cloudy days with 19/20degree Heat are the best for grain fill.
Are the heavy rains that are falling in the southern plains in the U.S. a result of El Niño?
Well done on the BG!

Can't say as not a meteoroligist

, but ozzy is really starting to burn up and this year its apparently to hit hard going by forecasters, in reality it's not until the following year as carryover stock gets used that prices shift but last few years of El nino has shown a trend. There's a few patches of bout 20 acres we'll rouge over bit by bit for a week over a few days, it's not a case of get the flail/glyphos out though.

Brown Podzol · 24-05-2015 08:03AM

Dawggone wrote: »

Decent pit of fodder there Brown!
The sbeet was damn good value at that price.
Did you buy the maize or repit your own?
You will be needing a good bit of soya to balance that!

Distressed price. Had been contracted and buyer failed to complete. My own maize, it might never happen again, to have maize leftover and beet available this time of year. Spring calvers and tightly stocked, so will be fed from August/sept , the grass will supply a lot of the protein. As they get housed I will still restrict the pro as they will be milked to within 45 days of calving so will want them to dry off in the condition I want them to calve in.

frazzledhome · 24-05-2015 09:37AM

Beautiful soil there Dawg, envy

Do you not grow sbeet where you are now? Is it grown in your area?

Best beet I ever saw was in Holland and Denmark. I used to love growing it, do every thing right in good ground and you could look forward to a good harvest. One crop that doesn't like shortcuts

Blackgrass · 24-05-2015 09:43AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Beautiful soil there Dawg, envy

Do you not grow sbeet where you are now? Is it grown in your area?

Best beet I ever saw was in Holland and Denmark. I used to love growing it, do every thing right in good ground and you could look forward to a good harvest. One crop that doesn't like shortcuts

Out east in east anglia they grow alot near the few remaining factories they were starting to hit Dutch yeilds but not they reckon alot of land is knackered from growing too close together in rotation, we're ha a little tough for it about here.

Dawggone · 24-05-2015 11:10AM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Distressed price. Had been contracted and buyer failed to complete. My own maize, it might never happen again, to have maize leftover and beet available this time of year. Spring calvers and tightly stocked, so will be fed from August/sept , the grass will supply a lot of the protein. As they get housed I will still restrict the pro as they will be milked to within 45 days of calving so will want them to dry off in the condition I want them to calve in.

That's what we do here. Dry off 60 days before calving in good bcs, then good hay. Working well so far. That pit of forage will have them in good order.

Dawggone · 24-05-2015 11:12AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Beautiful soil there Dawg, envy

Do you not grow sbeet where you are now? Is it grown in your area?

Best beet I ever saw was in Holland and Denmark. I used to love growing it, do every thing right in good ground and you could look forward to a good harvest. One crop that doesn't like shortcuts

Don't grow sbeet as too far from factories. Did a field a few years ago for the craic and got 88t/ha untared. Sold it to fattening unit. Tare would be low as dry sandy soil harvested with dust flying.

Sbeet was the only reliable, paying tillage crop.
Soil here is a deep sandy loam so would suit well. The last owners were getting 3 crops per year but we've cut back to two, and as the show gets bigger we'll cut back to one/yr, with more use of cover crops.

Dawggone · 24-05-2015 11:24AM

Blackgrass wrote: »

Out east in east anglia they grow alot near the few remaining factories they were starting to hit Dutch yeilds but not they reckon alot of land is knackered from growing too close together in rotation, we're ha a little tough for it about here.

How short a rotation?
I grew beet every third year without any problems....did have to go heavy with the beet compound though.

Blackgrass · 12-06-2015 12:48AM

This makes me smile, another example of the mysterious phantom glitch that's only every been seen on our sprayer according to deere where it's decide to shut of a section or whole boom on occasion for about 50-60m. Atleast pre-ems work just about to flail it as Bg just flowering on top few sites.
This is Bg and if guys back home don't go 'balls to the wall' to prevent seed return even if it means wholecrop for free their land will become uncropable as some who laughed at us for 5 years are now finding vs after making serious changes. It's only a fraction of where we've come from. Good seed beds(good pre-emergence action), not planting risk fields with history of high no's and rotation change.

Dawggone · 01-07-2015 08:46PM

Tucking into wheat here last few days.
The potential barnbuster has not materialized due to high temperatures and drought.

So far results have been variable. Light shallow soils yielding 6ton/ha.
Deeper land yielding 7.6ton/ha.

Specs.
Moisture sub 14%
Spec weight 78 to 80 kg/hl.
Protein 12.4% and over.
Hagbergs all over 340.

Price rising fast, so good news.

Blackgrass · 01-07-2015 09:12PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Tucking into wheat here last few days.
The potential barnbuster has not materialized due to high temperatures and drought.

So far results have been variable. Light shallow soils yielding 6ton/ha.
Deeper land yielding 7.6ton/ha.

Specs.
Moisture sub 14%
Spec weight 78 to 80 kg/hl.
Protein 12.4% and over.
Hagbergs all over 340.

Price rising fast, so good news.

All good bar last line considering.
Keep it in a shed for 6 months just remember them euro's buying less in return. Knocked 15-16£/ton on uk wheat to match :mad:.

Dawggone · 01-07-2015 09:35PM

Blackgrass wrote: »

All good bar last line considering.
Keep it in a shed for 6 months just remember them euro's buying less in return. Knocked 15-16£/ton on uk wheat to match :mad:.

Feck yes! Forgot about that.
Must be hitting hard with ye guys...

Greengrass1 · 01-07-2015 10:20PM

Blackgrass wrote: »

This makes me smile, another example of the mysterious phantom glitch that's only every been seen on our sprayer according to deere where it's decide to shut of a section or whole boom on occasion for about 50-60m. Atleast pre-ems work just about to flail it as Bg just flowering on top few sites.
This is Bg and if guys back home don't go 'balls to the wall' to prevent seed return even if it means wholecrop for free their land will become uncropable as some who laughed at us for 5 years are now finding vs after making serious changes. It's only a fraction of where we've come from. Good seed beds(good pre-emergence action), not planting risk fields with history of high no's and rotation change.

Lads have learned the hard way already.
One lad o know in Louth had a small bit in a field last yr and carried on.
field destroyed with it this yr all had to be wholecropped

Blackgrass · 01-07-2015 11:38PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Lads have learned the hard way already.
One lad o know in Louth had a small bit in a field last yr and carried on.
field destroyed with it this yr all had to be wholecropped

Grass it for atleast 5-10 years. (fairly fertile for yr 1-5 then drops 5-10 alot but can last 40!! just takes a few heads to get out of control). At that guy rent to is into grass measuring but shoulders of year kill us for grazing with heavy beef cattle- not enough white wooly things, with often 500- 1000 seed heads m2 popping(Spring b is bout 300 for reference) up you write off year 1 until June after intensive topping grazing but i've seen seed heads at 2'' tall if topped too early let regrow before BG flowers to becoming viable stage.
Just don't grow winter crops and if bad burn off or whole crop without remorse will cost many multiples in long run. We'll never be clear just too much of a bank built up but at 20% in grass/forage ideally get to 1/3 on heavy ground(problem ground).

Blackgrass · 01-07-2015 11:53PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Feck yes! Forgot about that.
Must be hitting hard with ye guys...

Don't worry bout us personally so long as big boss is happy, i'm happy.

It's the guys growing on smaller acres with feed wheat/ bad bg losing money last few tears on tenanted land i'd worry for. Landlords here included haven't realised rents of 150£+ just leaves them with vacant tenancies for local quadtrac crew or ad plant. Out east the only ones farming in 20 years will be the stupidly rich like Mr Dyson/mega farming companies-contract farmers with own land doing more work the way things are going. My boss is taking land back in hand as tenants-kids can't see future in it, the dad is being given a just 7 figure sum to walk away from a very long term lease in 12 months leaving one farming graduate daughter and school leaver son with pretty much no chance to farm (in uk atleast) as manager jobs are less and less.

Dawggone · 02-07-2015 05:39PM

Blackgrass wrote: »

Don't worry bout us personally so long as big boss is happy, i'm happy.

It's the guys growing on smaller acres with feed wheat/ bad bg losing money last few tears on tenanted land i'd worry for. Landlords here included haven't realised rents of 150£+ just leaves them with vacant tenancies for local quadtrac crew or ad plant. Out east the only ones farming in 20 years will be the stupidly rich like Mr Dyson/mega farming companies-contract farmers with own land doing more work the way things are going. My boss is taking land back in hand as tenants-kids can't see future in it, the dad is being given a just 7 figure sum to walk away from a very long term lease in 12 months leaving one farming graduate daughter and school leaver son with pretty much no chance to farm (in uk atleast) as manager jobs are less and less.

That's a fairly sad picture that you paint Blackgrass.
I don't know which is the better system...capitalist UK or socialist France. Either way it doesn't bode well for the next generation.
Dyson still buying up every available acre?

kevthegaff · 02-07-2015 06:29PM

Dawggone wrote: »

That's a fairly sad picture that you paint Blackgrass.
I don't know which is the better system...capitalist UK or socialist France. Either way it doesn't bode well for the next generation.
Dyson still hoovering up every available acre?

fixed your post

Blackgrass · 02-07-2015 11:22PM

Dawggone wrote: »

That's a fairly sad picture that you paint Blackgrass.
I don't know which is the better system...capitalist UK or socialist France. Either way it doesn't bode well for the next generation.
Dyson still buying up every available acre?

Yep, it's a bit bleak really.
Spend silly money to expand/sell to a builder for million quid acre/

is the way forward for average farm...
Capitalist Uk you say?!

. If you know anyone in Uk, further you get from the motorways/london the more sane land gets but out east certain types are hiding cash as 'farmers'. Mr Dyson has spent a few 100million at this stage and going but mainly in Lincs central-north unless large block all together. Big boss has said anything comes up 10 miles from base to 'be informed' as have foundations there already + taking on more back in hand in 12 months

Greengrass1 · 09-07-2015 12:36PM

Is this that so called black grass your always on about?

Blackgrass · 09-07-2015 10:00PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Is this that so called black grass your always on about?

I wish! looks like soft brome around flowering not sure from pic, BG has a few hundred seeds while that has a few dozen. BG has a tight seed head and would be fairly tall over the barley.
From dow agri site::

Blackgrass · 11-07-2015 05:15PM

This is Bg in barley GG, unfortunately.... I'm getting very very annoyed with Deere as they reckon the sprayer never has these phantom blips where decides to stop spraying for a few seconds , we'll look at the next few pics and see if you see a pattern...

Blackgrass · 11-07-2015 05:20PM

Another pic from the same time just by the field edge.

Blackgrass · 11-07-2015 05:24PM

A field never had much issue for wild oats suddenly one bag patch about 36m wide staggered over 8m long... Doesn't matter the sticker on the side of the machine, if it doesn't do a simple job it's scrap.

Dawggone · 12-07-2015 12:39PM

Yield returns so far.
Average across all wheat harvested so far...

Yield 8.1ton/ha
Moisture 11.1%
Bushel 78.4 kg/hl
Protein 12.9%
Hagberg 345.

Have had a few mishaps this weekend...
Top man nearly killed by a falling square bale straw. Lucky to get away alive. Will be out for 6 months. No permanent damage.
One of the balers burned out last night.
And I'm now awaiting the vet for confirmation of a possible outbreak of Bluetongue.

Lovely.

bogman_bass · 12-07-2015 12:50PM

That's a bad run of luck. You know what they say about bad luck coming in 3's......
hopefully thats the last of it for you.

Educate a simple beef man, What is the Hapsberg test (something to do with milling quality is it?) what score are you aiming for?

Dawggone · 12-07-2015 12:55PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

That's a bad run of luck. You know what they say about bad luck coming in 3's......
hopefully thats the last of it for you.

Educate a simple beef man, What is the Hapsberg test (something to do with milling quality is it?) what score are you aiming for?

Falling number or Hagberg is a measure of how close the grain is to germination or sprouting.

bogman_bass · 12-07-2015 12:56PM

and what number do you want it over or under?

Grain price.

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