Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Hurleratheart · 09-07-2015 11:34PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Regarding kelliher also he's own Dublin got absolutely hosed by four fourteen to fourteen points laois ten years ago so much he got sacked as manager so he's hardly manager that can proclaim authority from the top table of tactical asutness with greatest respect him

Your right I'm sure

Prob just a loud mouth with a big ego and full of his own importence

thinkstoomuch1 · 09-07-2015 11:41PM

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Your right I'm sure

Prob just a loud mouth with a big ego and full of his own importence

He done brilliant work Dublin don't get me wrong with developing squads etc but no real management record

I'm fan he's but look of English or o grady said cunningjham was poor I'd say fair enough but this is just kelliher in fairness to him

No one doubting he's passionate to hurling but I'd say wanted local man as manager

thinkstoomuch1 · 09-07-2015 11:48PM

http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2005/0526/192917-kelleher/

Richmond Ultra · 10-07-2015 02:46AM

zetecescort wrote: »

should we ban Tyrone from using the red hand of Ulster as it may offend some? should we ban the Irish tricolour because the IRA used it? where do you stop if you start banning things like this?

Well regarding flags on this island you can't display a tri colour in the Brandywell stadium up in Derry for the soccer as it might offend somebody. This is despite the fact the stadium is in a nationalist area a few hundred yards from Celtic Park. Yet nobody complains when asked not to show the tricolour in the stadium. If soccer can do it then GAA can easily do it in my opinion.

windy shepard henderson · 10-07-2015 03:34AM

the red hand is actually an old irish symbol used by the o'neill clan in ulster in the middle ages , the loyalist version if you like has either a closed fist of a open hand locked in a star like symbol with a crown over head it which is compleatly different from the tyrone crest

i dont think there is in any way a right or left wing element attached to the gaa , yeah cork supporters bring confederate flags to games because it's the same color as the team

i imagine cyrill kavanagh and his mexican somberero cancels things out as far as us politics is concerned , its a fairly stupid argument if you ask me

zetecescort · 10-07-2015 08:57AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

the red hand is actually an old irish symbol used by the o'neill clan in ulster in the middle ages , the loyalist version if you like has either a closed fist of a open hand locked in a star like symbol with a crown over head it which is compleatly different from the tyrone crest

i dont think there is in any way a right or left wing element attached to the gaa , yeah cork supporters bring confederate flags to games because it's the same color as the team

i imagine cyrill kavanagh and his mexican somberero cancels things out as far as us politics is concerned , its a fairly stupid argument if you ask me

True enough and here is not the place for it but the controversy will only make more fans wave it. It's not like there was a couple of thousand flags in Killarney last week, one or two at most. People looking for things to offend themselves will always find it somewhere.

munsterlegend · 10-07-2015 09:39AM

There are plenty non controversial flags to wave rather than the Confederate Flag. Cork supporters don't mean any offence by flying it but its not something that should be flown in this day and age. what with sky and international coverage nowadays they will have no idea about cork being known as the rebel county.

Deco99 · 10-07-2015 09:58AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

There are plenty non controversial flags to wave rather than the Confederate Flag. Cork supporters don't mean any offence by flying it but its not something that should be flown in this day and age. what with sky and international coverage nowadays they will have no idea about cork being known as the rebel county.

This got brought up at home and when i said i didnt see what the big deal was, the reply came do you think it would be ok for Down supporters to fly Nazi swastika flags just because they are the same colour. That settled it for me, dont fly it, plenty of other flags.

Deco99 · 10-07-2015 09:59AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i imagine cyrill kavanagh and his mexican somberero cancels things out as far as us politics is concerned , its a fairly stupid argument if you ask me

I agree, ban them both.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 10-07-2015 03:10PM

The argument of flying it because Cork is the Rebel County is nonsense. The volunteers in Cork were fighting for Irish freedom. The Confederacy fought for the right to deny others their freedom. They have nothing in common and we should be glad this is the case.

thesultan · 10-07-2015 06:25PM

Do the Cork public feel confident going into tomorrow's game?

pluszap · 10-07-2015 08:31PM

YES

Clare v Cork: Kelly; McInerney, Dillon, Morey; Bugler, O’Connor, Browne; Ryan, Kelly; Conlon, Ryan, Golden; Honan, O’Donnell, McGrath

Scarecrow 2 · 10-07-2015 09:59PM

Thinkstoomuch

Ger Cunningham won a Waterford title with a star studded Ballygunner team. It would of being harder to lose the county with the team they had. They same applies to the fresher teams that have being under his watch in UCC.

I believe the UCC team this year has being the strongest team/ panel of players they have put together in past 5 years and he made a serious balls of that.

This Dublin job was going to make or break him imo if he really is as good as you say and he is under savage pressure into year 1 to even be there in year 2.

I think a big mistake of his was bringing in Ed Coughlan, with all reports saying he is no good, putting patches over players eyes at training. sounds to me the man needs to get a job in specsavers.

Shay Boland got Dublin minors 2 leinster titles and 2 all Irelands in a 2 year stint as minor manager. I know he is one of the 1st eople I would seek to meet if I was to go into Dublin as manager.

Delighted for Ronan Dwane winning Intermediate during the week. You slated him being appointed back along and nice to see your knowledge on coaches, players and teams (Waterford in particular) can be taking with a pinch of salt.

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-07-2015 10:40PM

Scarecrow 2 wrote: »

Thinkstoomuch

Ger Cunningham won a Waterford title with a star studded Ballygunner team. It would of being harder to lose the county with the team they had. They same applies to the fresher teams that have being under his watch in UCC.

I believe the UCC team this year has being the strongest team/ panel of players they have put together in past 5 years and he made a serious balls of that.

This Dublin job was going to make or break him imo if he really is as good as you say and he is under savage pressure into year 1 to even be there in year 2.

I think a big mistake of his was bringing in Ed Coughlan, with all reports saying he is no good, putting patches over players eyes at training. sounds to me the man needs to get a job in specsavers.

Shay Boland got Dublin minors 2 leinster titles and 2 all Irelands in a 2 year stint as minor manager. I know he is one of the 1st eople I would seek to meet if I was to go into Dublin as manager.

Delighted for Ronan Dwane winning Intermediate during the week. You slated him being appointed back along and nice to see your knowledge on coaches, players and teams (Waterford in particular) can be taking with a pinch of salt.

Usual stuff from yourselve with respect

One in a blue moon post as you don't say much any other times

I respect you're right to your opinion

But I won't take much heed your opinion on my posts that okay

As regards dwayne he as said done well however let's re jog your memory old chap

He with carrig and they were awful
Meelin well see this year
Cork development squads mixed results
Harty cup star studded team he didn't do great

And you will find if you care to look i said Ronan sheehan was one man intermediate set up that I rate highly and he done well

Also many here critsed dwayne now but you choose to pick one poster

And enlighten me please what year Dublin minors won all ireland

He got to final but didn't win
Compare him to cunningjham and they don't compare

We also seen many coaches top team do badly
Well see how Denis Walsh does Ballygummrr this year

As for coughlan you clearly have no under standing of science to slant he's method with a remark gets job spec savers
You just gave a masterclass in irony there with respect

I suppose you're the old school generation probably laugh at kerry using gps with senior football team

Ask mayo footballer or best football coach around in donie Buckley what he thought of ed coughlan

As for cunningjham look at what he done with two cork teams and many other ucc teams
You shouldn't cherry pick it devalues your post

Just my opinion of course

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-07-2015 10:57PM

Scarecrow 2 wrote: »

Thinkstoomuch

Ger Cunningham won a Waterford title with a star studded Ballygunner team. It would of being harder to lose the county with the team they had. They same applies to the fresher teams that have being under his watch in UCC.

I believe the UCC team this year has being the strongest team/ panel of players they have put together in past 5 years and he made a serious balls of that.

This Dublin job was going to make or break him imo if he really is as good as you say and he is under savage pressure into year 1 to even be there in year 2.

I think a big mistake of his was bringing in Ed Coughlan, with all reports saying he is no good, putting patches over players eyes at training. sounds to me the man needs to get a job in specsavers.

Shay Boland got Dublin minors 2 leinster titles and 2 all Irelands in a 2 year stint as minor manager. I know he is one of the 1st eople I would seek to meet if I was to go into Dublin as manager.

Delighted for Ronan Dwane winning Intermediate during the week. You slated him being appointed back along and nice to see your knowledge on coaches, players and teams (Waterford in particular) can be taking with a pinch of salt.

Sorry now but you said he got two all ireland in two years term

WRONG

Not an opinion but a fact
They reached two all ireland finals but lost both

You will find upon reviews there's a world difference between getting all Irelands as you put it than actually winning them

To simply put it he lost two finals and I think was beaten well in both or at least one

With the greatest respect but to use your words I will take your posts with pinch salt after trying to convince all he won Dublin two minor all Irelands

ballbag05 · 11-07-2015 08:35AM

Feeling nervous
Hope it doesn't piss down as forecast, might be cleared by 7, great value for money in two top class games to view, we've gotta push from the start like Wexford last week, overall fitness will tell and keeping the foot on the throat is a no brainer if we can, Kelly & Mcgrath the two main scoring threats, so if Ellis can mind his house in starving them, then hopefully we can proceed.
Rebels Abú

CORKDOUBLE · 11-07-2015 09:10AM

Darach Honan to me could be a real danger fully fit now at his best he reminds me of Setanta O Halpin he is 6ft 6 inches tall he adds a new dimension to the likes off O Donnell and McGrath ..this will be tough ....we can do it for JBM more so...

willietherock · 11-07-2015 10:53AM

Don't have any great hopes for the hurlers but am mystified by the growing Clare confidence. They were septic v Limerick, relegated in the league. Their form line is worse than ours. I hope the game isn't two tactical or we'll end up playing on Clare's terms. A lot of focus on what their forwards will do against us which is fair enough. But there backs are there for the taking big time. If your life depended on either JBM or Davy getting it right I know who I'd be picking.

Smith614 · 11-07-2015 11:01AM

In relation to Coughlan with the dubs, I remember reading an article in the examiner last yr about his methods and I remember commenting at the time that it was the biggest load of S**t I had read in a long time. If the Dubs are beaten today by Limerick it will be a very poor reflection on Cunningham. Disastrous league and disastrous champiuonship. He could be lookingfor a new job after today.

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-07-2015 11:17AM

willietherock wrote: »

Don't have any great hopes for the hurlers but am mystified by the growing Clare confidence. They were septic v Limerick, relegated in the league. Their form line is worse than ours. I hope the game isn't two tactical or we'll end up playing on Clare's terms. A lot of focus on what their forwards will do against us which is fair enough. But there backs are there for the taking big time. If your life depended on either JBM or Davy getting it right I know who I'd be picking.

Huge ask as clare are serious threat with so many forwards

I think galvin and Cunningham will start also

It will be tactical battle and it will be decided by tactics

Murphy marks McGrath who marks kelly

Donnell for mcdonnell
Walsh for connell

Kelly have be picked up by cahalane which could be trouble in cahalane good but not suited kelly but Lawton has drop back help out

Cork can win yes but horgan has step it up big time

As for other games today best luck Peter creedon tippeary football should win

Dublin have a chance v limerick but may be too early for them

I find it strange cunningjham proven record questioned by cork fans
Wouldn't worry bout Dublin criticism him as Kellher management was joke such he got sacked

But cunningjham didn't have disaster league in fact done well not getting relegated and league semi final

Ist Galway game draw
Next game was disaster but compared other manager there team longer in Ryan limerick and cunningjham Galway seem be going no where fast and probably one them could do well only after kk tipp rest group average they there long time and had bad defeats yet no critsim it's strange cunningjham get its full on just ist season with Dublin

He's easy critics by Dublin as he's outside man but I thought cork would be supportive him not he's cork man but he's record is good and proven

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-07-2015 11:20AM

willietherock wrote: »

Don't have any great hopes for the hurlers but am mystified by the growing Clare confidence. They were septic v Limerick, relegated in the league. Their form line is worse than ours. I hope the game isn't two tactical or we'll end up playing on Clare's terms. A lot of focus on what their forwards will do against us which is fair enough. But there backs are there for the taking big time. If your life depended on either JBM or Davy getting it right I know who I'd be picking.

I don't think their form line is worse than Cork in true test any team kk and they in knock out intense game league do die with players out in knowan park lost kk just point where Cork well beaten kk and clare were far from sceptic v limerick in three lads out and man off pushed limerick to point

Clare have problems but there tough nut to crack

They have problems but all Fitzgerald fault he's not bad as made out be, both him jbm under huge pressure and only one can win

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-07-2015 11:49AM

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/paul-galvin-pushing-for-kerry-return-after-overcoming-leg-injury-1.2281003

Good honest read from fitzmaurice imo

The huge worry is he's acknowledge they poor side line but he's right lot positives kerry too fact bad day ten different scorers and out blitzed cork ist half period second half so Cork have be wise

He right in examiner today he said much you try hide hype it's seep in and kerry huge favourite imo expecially breaking ball kerry no hunger

Everybody critsim kerry even their own bomber critsed fitzmaurice and rightly so huge worry imo in there's huge back lash in them and people expect cork perform now so we have have huge huge performance next week and all boxes have be ticked

Must win for both team in you loose possibly tricky qualifies with lethargic legs facing flying Dublin

Who ever looses imo season could be over so performance from Cork isn't good enough
We have to win

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-07-2015 11:59AM

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/toms-s-watching-game-with-micko-made-me-feel-i-missed-out-31366012.html

O se can't win either way when he spoke truths many Cork men other felt before game he was critsed when be fair results up sunday justified he's view yet now he'll be accused changing wind

He's right cork have came to the game now in have be consistent

Talk about o Connor has been practical over drive kerry all week and make no mistake kerry are going to target him big time

Cork simply have to support him as unfair if they don't

Kerry are simply lauding him praise in he's dominant presence etc huge pressure on him next day as there putting the onus on him

Cork have to be aware

Good new and immense credit is since Sunday cuthbhertt hasn't spoken much he let Davis speak regards the game

He made point regards referee and moved on

He's correct in keeping low building up replay

He's learned other games and all credit due he deserves huge credit in low key best approach for kerry

Hulk Hands · 11-07-2015 12:35PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Some few politically correct liberals (who no doubt know nothing about GAA or could name any player maybe except Gooch) were phoning into Radio Kerry today trying to have the Confederate Flag banned from Killarney for the Replay.

I have never heard such nonsense in my entire life and the Rebel Flag of the US Southern Confederacy has been associated with the "Red Army" of Cork Supporters for a long long time. The Imperial Japanese Navy Flag and the Flag of Canada has also been proudly flown by Cork supporters.

I would hope that plenty Cork supporters will fly this Rebel flag in Killarney next Saturday along with their other pageantry and assorted colours as they have always done for countless games in the past.

Cork are known as the Rebel County, the county that fought the British Empire and where some of the fiercest and bloodiest of the fighting during the Irish War of Independence took place, similarly it was where the first shots of the Irish Civil War took place. Corks Red and White Colours are known as the "Blood and Bandage" and Early GAA History was soaked in politics with county games being as much as clash of Political viewpoints as about the sport itself, bitter rivalries left over from wartime were fought on the field of play instead. E.g. Kerry won the Munster Final and a subsequent pardon of Political prisoners took place and the Kerry team which started in the subsequent All-Ireland Semi-Final had 13 new players all of whom were released from Prison as part of the Civil War pardon.

Racism in America is one thing, the unique cultural aspects of Irish sport should be respected and left alone, but the liberal agenda will try to force even this non-issue.

The county that fought the British empire?? The entire country fought the British empire in case Cork are trying to take the credit for that. Indeed Tipperary have far more claim to being the heartbed of the resistance than Cork do. I don't see why they'd want to remember bloody Civil war fighting in the county either as some sort of badge of honour.

The rebel flags are brought in behind the goals by a gang of late teens, early 20s kids who think its cool. People grow out of it and the next gang of kids finally away from their parents at games take it up. Flags of Chev Guevara don't have some long standing tradition and proud tradition with Cork GAA. Some are a mildly amusing play on the 'rebel' tag, others are just brought in cos they're red and unusual. If it causes offense at the moment, then get rid of them. It's not that big a deal, the kids will still do plenty of jumping around behind the goal and everyone will be happy. The term 'Red Army' to describe Cork GAA fans is LOL worthy too

sean mac · 11-07-2015 01:12PM

Hulk- the whole country fought the british empire,will you ever **** right off and learn your history from that time,it was a fight borne unequally in ireland with vast swathes of ireland ubtouched from conflict thru apathy and cowardice-was martial law applied nationwide?a nomsense argument about a nonsense issue which has no relevance to ireland

windy shepard henderson · 11-07-2015 02:02PM

both teams today will feel the other is there for the taking , and with that both counties will feel they will have a huge say in things later on in the year should whoever cross this path successfully

i personally dont think cunningham or galvin will start for clare , galvin did'nt look that sharp when he came on last week and cuningham only played a few minutes since his injury , my main worry would be lehane , as the line ups stand bugler will be marking him and he will kill him for pace in my opinion , morey is probably our weak link in the defense and probably marking horgan which should be very interesting in my own opinion seadna should be sweeper by right

best of luck today whatever happens lads and hopfully the result is'nt too kind to ye come half 8 :pac:

N20 · 11-07-2015 02:41PM

Smith614 wrote: »

In relation to Coughlan with the dubs, I remember reading an article in the examiner last yr about his methods and I remember commenting at the time that it was the biggest load of S**t I had read in a long time. If the Dubs are beaten today by Limerick it will be a very poor reflection on Cunningham. Disastrous league and disastrous champiuonship. He could be lookingfor a new job after today.

I remember it, it was self indulgent and questionable
I must read it again

N20 · 11-07-2015 02:48PM

Scarecrow 2 wrote: »

Thinkstoomuch

Ger Cunningham won a Waterford title with a star studded Ballygunner team. It would of being harder to lose the county with the team they had. They same applies to the fresher teams that have being under his watch in UCC.

I believe the UCC team this year has being the strongest team/ panel of players they have put together in past 5 years and he made a serious balls of that.

This Dublin job was going to make or break him imo if he really is as good as you say and he is under savage pressure into year 1 to even be there in year 2.

I think a big mistake of his was bringing in Ed Coughlan, with all reports saying he is no good, putting patches over players eyes at training. sounds to me the man needs to get a job in specsavers.

Shay Boland got Dublin minors 2 leinster titles and 2 all Irelands in a 2 year stint as minor manager. I know he is one of the 1st eople I would seek to meet if I was to go into Dublin as manager.

Delighted for Ronan Dwane winning Intermediate during the week. You slated him being appointed back along and nice to see your knowledge on coaches, players and teams (Waterford in particular) can be taking with a pinch of salt.

I'd reserve judgement on Dwane, there's no real form in Intermediate and one swallow - or scarecrow 😀- doesn't make a summer
His track record is poor although you can't doubt his commitment

Hulk Hands · 11-07-2015 03:47PM

sean mac wrote: »

Hulk- the whole country fought the british empire,will you ever **** right off and learn your history from that time,it was a fight borne unequally in ireland with vast swathes of ireland ubtouched from conflict thru apathy and cowardice-was martial law applied nationwide?a nomsense argument about a nonsense issue which has no relevance to ireland

Laughable comment. There was resistance from irish people all over the country. Obviously some places moreso than others due to circumstance, but the comment I referenced insinuated that Cork alone took on the empire which is nonsense, indeed their influence wasn't even as substantial as areas of Tipp and Dublin.

Anyway, back on topic: Dont bring the confederate flag to games, as it offends some people and has no connection to Cork. The kids can keep bringing the Egypt and Japan and whatever other flags they think looked cool when they bought them online, and everyone's happy

twincamman · 11-07-2015 05:00PM

only a handy crowd in thurles..I taught it would be packed with 3 games

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