Reddit is Clueless

03-07-2015 08:05PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Anyone who questions reddit usefulness needs to go onto the top tab in r/IAmA and read until their little heart is content. Fascinating subreddit and fascinating site.

Agreed. Switch to the top ones of all time and you get -

Obama, Gordon Ramsay (who actually gave a struggling chef an internship in one of his restaurants during it), Bill Gates, David Attenborough, Elon Musk, Edward Snowden. And that really is a small portion of some of the most famous and influential people in the world.

Where else in the world do you get the opportunity to ask Bill Gates a direct question and have him answer it personally?

You might not like Reddit, but you can't deny it's cultural and even sociological importance.

And just because it's my favourite AMA, here's Channing Tatum.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3a7irw/i_am_channing_tatum_ama/

Whatsisname · 03-07-2015 08:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed. Switch to the top ones of all time and you get -

Obama, Gordon Ramsay (who actually gave a struggling chef an internship in one of his restaurants during it), Bill Gates, David Attenborough, Elon Musk, Edward Snowden. And that really is a small portion of some of the most famous and influential people in the world.

Where else in the world do you get the opportunity to ask Bill Gates a direct question and have him answer it personally?

You might not like Reddit, but you can't deny it's cultural and even sociological importance.

And just because it's my favourite AMA, here's Channing Tatum.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3a7irw/i_am_channing_tatum_ama/

I must also add, Daniel Radcliffe, Chris Pratt, Aaron Paul and Bryan Cranston all had fantastic ones!

Herpes Cineplex · 03-07-2015 08:15PM

bnt wrote: »

I don't care for most topics discussed on Boards, but you don't see me jumping in to e.g. GAA threads, trying to tell people that my apathy means they shouldn't be interested themselves.

If you don't care for most of the topics on Boards.ie, then why don't you leave? It certainly would be better than whining about Boards.ie and then being a poster boy for another site on here. It's the constant plugs for a rubbish site that irks people.

03-07-2015 08:15PM

Just finished reading Tatum's one for the Nth time. I love it when you tell that someone is really enjoying themselves and actually let's loose. I'll read Radcliffe's now. Love that guy.

Links234 · 03-07-2015 08:36PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I don't, one could argue she's a right chancer that wan, as is her husband. They could well write a book entitled "How to ease one's way to personal wealth on discrimination lawsuits". Pity their cases - yep cases - always go against them.

One could argue that, but it still seems like people are scapegoating her for all of reddit's problems. You only need to look at the **** some of the admins have come out with to see that, just look at the pants-on-head-stupid response to this whole debacle that one of the admins gave: "Popcorn tastes good", or many of the other long standing issues the moderators have had with the admins going back years

Carlos Orange · 03-07-2015 08:55PM

Links234 wrote: »

just look at the pants-on-head-stupid response to this whole debacle that one of the admins gave: "Popcorn tastes good", or many of the other long standing issues the moderators have had with the admins going back years

I think the popcorn remark was from a reddit cofounder and current executive chairman.

Wibbs · 03-07-2015 08:55PM

strelok wrote: »

what about hating fat people

Hating fat people if that's a thing wasn't the issue it seems, but doxing a whole bunch of them was. IMHO thats a line that shouldn't be crossed.

Tipsy McSwagger · 03-07-2015 09:00PM

Reddit is awesome. A few months ago I was reading a book about JonBenet Ramsey's death and the police chief of Boulder Colorado did an infamous AMA on the unresolved mysteries subreddit, and he answered some of my questions, which were picked up by the local media, the AMA was deleted shortly afterwards because the chief didn't know what he had gotten himself into.

strelok · 03-07-2015 09:01PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Hating fat people if that's a thing wasn't the issue it seems, but doxing a whole bunch of them was. IMHO that's a line that shouldn't be crossed.

as far as I understand it no one was actually doxed (on the imgur side at least). fatpeoplehate hosted images (that the imgur employees themselves made public on imgur) on the fph sidebar and because reddit and imgur had entered into some sort of publicised agreement or mutual masturbation soon before that, action was taken.

it's pretty hard to complain about being doxxed when the 'doxx' is something you put online in a public setting to be viewed by the public

now there undoubtedly was doxxing/harrassment from fph generally speaking (from time to time) and fair enough, if that means it has to go then it has to go but everyone and their dog knows fph was targetted because of what they were not because of what they did. if what they did was actually the issue ****redditsays would have been banned and its mods hung from the streetlights of san francisco long before 2015.

Tipsy McSwagger · 03-07-2015 09:04PM

strelok wrote: »

what about hating fat people

what about the fappening?

Earthhorse · 03-07-2015 09:04PM

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Pao as she comes across as a rich, entitled ass of which the world has plenty but I do think a lot of the ire surrounding this has been misdirected toward her and don't really understand why her rich, entitled ass should be singled out for attention in a world full of rich, entitled asses.

strelok · 03-07-2015 09:07PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

what about the fappening?

first they came for the trade unionists....

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socialists, damnit. whatever. same thing.

moc moc a moc · 03-07-2015 09:10PM

Vandango wrote: »

And you don't understand that this is Boards.ie and most Boarsdies couldn't give a crap about that shyte site.

People who have never left their little village in the sticks don't like the big city.

pablomakaveli · 03-07-2015 09:35PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Hating fat people if that's a thing wasn't the issue it seems, but doxing a whole bunch of them was. IMHO thats a line that shouldn't be crossed.

I agree about r/fatpeoplehate. Never actually went onto it but its stuff would appear regularly near the top or r/all. It was straying heavily into witch hunting people and getting rid of it was the right call.

bnt · 03-07-2015 09:49PM

There's only one reason to get so irrationally upset about mention of another site: you're threatened by it. There's no reason to be, people: Boards.ie is still where all the cool kids hang out. We're #1! We're #1!

Gbear · 03-07-2015 09:55PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I agree about r/fatpeoplehate. Never actually went onto it but its stuff would appear regularly near the top or r/all. It was straying heavily into witch hunting people and getting rid of it was the right call.

If you want to look at these things even handedly, I don't think there's any real way to argue that banning fph was a consistent course of action.

There's a raft of public humiliation and witch-hunting subreddits. Fat people just happen to be a pet cause for some people.

If they really wanted to ban all such abuse reddits they'd need to be getting rid of pretty much any sub that identifies random people in pictures and then takes the piss out of them - justneckbearthings, cringepics and so on.

And there's more than one way to deal with this sort of thing.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a site that adheres to the letter of the law and nothing else. It means certain cohorts of people can't hijack a site for their own pet agendas, as has happened with this luvy-duvy, "safe space" pussying about that's all the vogue these days.

Getting zones set up where you can basically quarantine all the racist dip****s doesn't do any harm. You don't need to go there, there's a record of their posts there (so if they post outside, you can see what there are and probably spot any agenda they're trying to push) and if they actually overstep their bounds by breaking the law, then you've no problem in terminating their miserable subs with extreme prejudice.

People are far too concerned about what other people think about things that don't concern them at all. It causes their inner fascist to manifest itself all too often.

There are racists, morons and assholes the world over. Don't hang around with them if you don't want to.
Most people will feel the same way as you and will happily side with you when you call them on their bull****.

strelok · 03-07-2015 09:57PM

Gbear wrote: »

There's a raft of public humiliation and witch-hunting subreddits. Fat people just happen to be a pet cause for some people.
**.

i don't want to live in a world without /r/insanecringeposse

bur · 03-07-2015 10:01PM

So right now there's a gap in the market you say?

Links234 · 03-07-2015 10:19PM

Gbear wrote: »

If they really wanted to ban all such abuse reddits they'd need to be getting rid of pretty much any sub that identifies random people in pictures and then takes the piss out of them - justneckbearthings, cringepics and so on.

Except that in this case it wasn't random, this was the front page before it was banned, they were targetting imgur staff and harassing them.

Tar.Aldarion · 03-07-2015 11:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed. Switch to the top ones of all time and you get -

Obama, Gordon Ramsay (who actually gave a struggling chef an internship in one of his restaurants during it), Bill Gates, David Attenborough, Elon Musk, Edward Snowden. And that really is a small portion of some of the most famous and influential people in the world.

Where else in the world do you get the opportunity to ask Bill Gates a direct question and have him answer it personally?

You might not like Reddit, but you can't deny it's cultural and even sociological importance.

And just because it's my favourite AMA, here's Channing Tatum.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3a7irw/i_am_channing_tatum_ama/

I've now seen this wonder thanks to that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg

briany · 04-07-2015 12:45PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I agree about r/fatpeoplehate. Never actually went onto it but its stuff would appear regularly near the top or r/all. It was straying heavily into witch hunting people and getting rid of it was the right call.

A lot of people were calling for Ellen Pao's head in the wake of that sub's ban. They want her gone. A lot of those same people are the most annoyingly vocal 'free-speech' people, and denizens of hate subs. Maybe if they keep Pao in charge, a lot of those people will slink away to their Voat ghetto and leave the adults in peace.

pablomakaveli · 04-07-2015 06:20PM

briany wrote: »

A lot of people were calling for Ellen Pao's head in the wake of that sub's ban. They want her gone. A lot of those same people are the most annoyingly vocal 'free-speech' people, and denizens of hate subs. Maybe if they keep Pao in charge, a lot of those people will slink away to their Voat ghetto and leave the adults in peace.

True but i think she should go. Given her and her husbands dodgy history i'm not sure she's a good choice of CEO.

04-07-2015 08:40PM

briany wrote: »

A lot of people were calling for Ellen Pao's head in the wake of that sub's ban. They want her gone. A lot of those same people are the most annoyingly vocal 'free-speech' people, and denizens of hate subs. Maybe if they keep Pao in charge, a lot of those people will slink away to their Voat ghetto and leave the adults in peace.

Na, I disagree. The most "adult" members of any site are the moderators and they're not happy. I don't think it's wrong that the users who supply the site with content are annoyed that everyone under the admin level is treated like they're worthless.

I'm nothing like what you described but it's very clear that the management's finger is not on the pulse whatsoever. My girlfriend who lurks wouldn't care but I try to make an effort in a couple of small subreddits and do care a bit.

Oranage2 · 04-07-2015 09:09PM

Interesting subject altogether. The mods of Reddit feel like they're given no support etc. they should just quit doing all that work for free, but in reality they won't, they love the power, they won't give it up because they know a hundred people will do their job for free , exactly like them doing it for free .

it reminds me of a guy I use to work with, he'd show up early, leave late, do some of the managers tasks. he'd be paid exactly the same as the rest of us. but that little bit of power he had in his head justified it somehow to him.

I know some admin can reply to my post saying the mods do an excellent job and getting hundred Thanks, I agree they do a thankless job, they ban trolls, keep content relevant, etc it's a big part of keeping things running smoothly but at the end of the day it's exactly Why mods sign up to be mods. a site running perfectly would be boring.

Aimead · 10-07-2015 06:08PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I think she has a long way to go, I suppose she has to protect the user base and is trying to weed out the idiots. I would like to see all of the hate speech and neo-nazi garbage disposed of.

If you prune the hate subs then you will also be pruning a lot of the magic that made reddit the success it is today. Think of it like a tv package with thousands of channels. No matter your interest there is channel there for you, no matter your prejudice, kink, obsession, idiosyncrasy, niche, whatever. If one of those channels isn’t for you then you simply don’t watch it.

The system reddit used often caused some real gems to rise to the top of the sewers that fed it. Some of the content would make you laugh, make you sad, make you happy, make you angry, make you cry, etc.

The hate subs never really detracted from the reddit user experience. Sure, if someone wanted to seek out a particular sub to be offended (picsofdeadkids springs to mind) they could – but in doing so they would be spectacularly missing the point of reddit. It is like a hotel that has a room for everybody, or an Xtra-vision with a movie for everybody.

But no, people apparently can’t be grown-ups and all the stuff that certain folks don’t like needs to be disappeared.

To correct the record on FPH, it wasn’t shut down for doxing (republishing information people themselves made available isn’t ‘doxing’ no matter how much people pretend otherwise) nor was it shut down for harassment (gathering publically available pics together and mocking them in their own little subforum isn’t ‘harassment’). The irony in all of this is that FPH was set up to see if it would be allowed as much as actually mocking people. There was a few threads discussing this on FPH before it all went down the memory hole.

hatrickpatrick · 10-07-2015 06:21PM

I totally support the Reddit revolt myself.

Anyone who says "those who use free platforms have no right to an opinion on how they're run" need to remember that those platforms make money by being popular enough to attract advertisers. And that is dependant on the content us users provide to them.
So in other words, if Reddit wants to trample on the opinions of the users who've made it what it is, then those users have every right to remove their custom.

Earthhorse · 10-07-2015 11:10PM

So Ellen Pao resigned as CEO today. Just to round everything off.

Diabhal Beag · 10-07-2015 11:39PM

Some of the abuse she received should be reserved solely for Boards moderators. Absolutely disgusting stuff.

Dogowner55 · 11-07-2015 01:00AM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Some of the abuse she received should be reserved solely for Boards moderators. Absolutely disgusting stuff.

She was terrible ceo though and way out of touch with her customers.

hatrickpatrick · 11-07-2015 05:47AM

Dogowner55 wrote: »

She was terrible ceo though and way out of touch with her customers.

She was, but you have to ask yourself to what extent she was hired by the board of Reddit's parent company specifically to act as a lightning rod for criticism. How many of their policies did she accept 100% of the blame for implementing? I can't help feeling that some of the most unpopular things she did were actually decisions made by the corporate gobsh!tes and that she was merely a decoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXbje3Czh4k

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