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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Pink11 wrote: »
    Thanks for that. Did you find the Nimbus were fully supportive?
    The newer models are supposed to be very good.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    RonanP77 wrote: »
    If people find something that works for them would they not just keep getting a newer pair of the same? I'll need new runners for the Marathon, I intend getting them soon enough and wearing them every so often so they're worn in, I wear Brooks something or others, they suit because I have flat feet, I was going to go with the same again.

    + 1, this is what I've done in the past, I also wear Brooks but they're expensive so I'd like an alternative.

    I'm running the DLR Bay 10K August BH so I'll be in Dublin and heading to Amphibian King in Bray and have my gait checked again. They'll give me a range of shoes that will suit my foot/tread and I'll be able to choose.

    I have previously bought cheaper shoes off the internet, which I thought were suitable, only to find I couldn't run in them - a very expensive mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭skittles8710


    Bought a second pair of Kayano 21s today actually, to allow plenty time to break them in gently . They just work for me and have been with them since the 17s..

    I got gait analysis done last year and they recommended either Kayanos or Brooks Trance so I bought the Brooks at the time, they were too rigid for me so went back to the Kayanos shortly after and keep the Brooks for jogs or walking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    What worked for me last year when training for the marathon was alternating two pairs of shoes: one for shorter stuff in the *right size* and another for longer stuff (any run longer than 90 minutes) half a size up.
    This works for several reasons:
    - your feet swell more on longer distances so you need the extra toe room
    - wearing shoes that are slightly too big on your shorter runs may adversely affect your stride
    - both pairs will last longer when alternated,your shoes need RnR too :D

    OUT OF OFFICE tomorrow, back tomorrow evening.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Toulouse


    I was in Kayano 17s but had my gait analysis done last month and was advised to switch to GT-2000s as I only mildly over-pronate so don't need the support provided by the newer model Kayanos.

    I will need another pair though so may head out to Ballymount one of the days and see what they think in base2race. Would be good to have a second opinion before the milage starts to ramp up I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    What's involved in the gait analysis? Do you have to go dressed in running gear wearing the runners you normally run in or can you pop in wearing jeans and boots?

    And do you tend to have to make an appointment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Toulouse


    Phoebas wrote: »
    What's involved in the gait analysis? Do you have to go dressed in running gear wearing the runners you normally run in or can you pop in wearing jeans and boots?

    And do you tend to have to make an appointment?

    I've always just called in although if you want it done by someone specific then you might need to call ahead.

    They will give you a pair of neutral runners to wear on the treadmill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭libelula


    They'll want to see your ankles/lower legs too, so might be an idea to bring a pair of shorts with you to change into when you're in there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Phoebas wrote: »
    What's involved in the gait analysis? Do you have to go dressed in running gear wearing the runners you normally run in or can you pop in wearing jeans and boots?

    And do you tend to have to make an appointment?

    You don't need an appointment, but I guess if you're short on time you could get stuck behind somebody so it might make sense to ring ahead.

    The store will give you a pair of runners (and maybe even socks) though it can help to bring your runners with you, especially if you want to talk about what you like/dislike about them and compare how they feel to new runners etc.

    Loose fitting jeans are fine, you just need to run for a minute or two - if you really want to know, do a quick jog up and down the street to see how they feel :)


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,491 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    For AK, if you are going in at a busy time e.g Thursday evening, it's best to ring ahead and book a slot.

    It's a good idea to bring in your current pair pf shoes so the staff can see what you have been wearing, how worn the different parts etc are. I'd bring my own pair of socks too ad that is what I'd be wearing when out running.

    You'll get to try on lots of different types of shoe, they'll video you running up and down a short track and see how you foot responds to each pair.

    You can even try out a different shoe on each foot to see the differences between them when running.

    Also with the current exchange rate there is really not much of a saving going online so I'd really recommend to anyone to get this done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Thanks for the replies folks.
    Do they charge for the service or do they see it as part of the sales process?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Following my trail run on Tuesday night and taking Wednesday as an easy 3 miles instead I did the 1m w/u, 3m pace, 1m c/d from the boards plan last night.
    Ran from the corner of Abbey and O'Connell St all the way down and into the Phoenix Park, with the pace park starting around the Croppy Acre at Collins Barracks.
    Splits were as follows.

    Mile 1 - 9:58
    Mile 2 - 9:36
    Mile 3 - 9:14 (turned 0.7 into this mile to run back down the avenue)
    Mile 4 - 8:48
    Mile 5 - 10:06

    I ran right up through the middle of the park so found it tough going to be honest as I generally always do running up Chesterfield Avenue...the little oul incline there is pretty tiring.
    My warm up pace was a bit quicker than I would have liked on the first mile and then my second mile was a bit slower than I would have liked. I'm hoping to do the marathon in and around the 4 hour mark.
    I started to enjoy the run a lot more when I turned on Chesterfield avenue around 2.7 miles into the pace section and ran back including cool down as far as the corner of Abbey St and Jervis....walked back to my hotel then afterwards.
    Focused again a lot on form and trying to keep tension out of my shoulders....and even the odd dopey smile Dubgal!
    I had my earphones on walking down to where my starting point was but took them off then.
    All runs so far this week have been earphone free, haven't decided yet if I'll do the 10miles on Saturday yet earphone free but expect I will. It's going to be Saturday afternoon when I do that and it will be in the Phoenix Park also....I might run in my club t-shirt so if you see a fella with a blue St Brendan's AC t-shirt...this is me 2nd from left say hi!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,491 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies folks.
    Do they charge for the service or do they see it as part of the sales process?

    No additional charge apart from what the shoe costs!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Pink11


    I had my GAIT analysed about 4/5 years ago and was given shoes - Mizunos. At the time I thought they were great.

    However, I went to a podiatrist last year and she analysed my feet in way more detail. Recommended completely different shoes and my running improved greatly. Tiredness in my legs reduced etc. Way better than the Mizunos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    I managed to run the full 5 miles this morning at half five. Went well and I was bang on the pace I was aiming for. Finished in 1:14:18, Surprisingly warm out at that time of morning! Also was about 2 seconds off from having a bird poop on me! Got a fright when I heard/saw the splat just ahead of me!

    Also, regarding shoes, I went in to RunLogic to try and find the shoes that would take me to the marathon. My idea is to find a shoe, train in it then closer to the marathon get a new pair (if needed!), break them in and run the marathon in them. The guys at RunLogic are great. I went through three different styles of shoe before finding the right one! All part of the service too. I'm in Brooks Glycerin 12 and so far, no problems.

    Edit: I'm tired!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,491 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Good running this morning, I assume you meant 1:14:18 though?

    On the shoes, try and get at least 100 miles on the shoes you are going to wear in the race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Singer wrote: »
    It can help to bring your runners with you, especially if you want to talk about what you like/dislike about them and compare how they feel to new runners etc.

    Also if you bring a pair of old runners that have been worn a lot, they will be able to examine the wear pattern on the bottom of the shoe ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Good running this morning, I assume you meant 1:14:18 though?

    On the shoes, try and get at least 100 miles on the shoes you are going to wear in the race.

    Hahaha. Yeah, 1:14. I'm a little tired this morning :P I'll fix that!

    100 miles, cool. That would be August time I think? Sound right to you? I'm really bad at maths! (any typing :P)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,491 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Yeah, sounds about right.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Yeah, sounds about right.

    I was just worrying that when I get my new shoes in Sept that I wouldn't have enough time to break in 100 miles. Fat chances! 133 miles not including any optional recovery runs!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 limoncella


    Pink11 wrote: »
    I had my GAIT analysed about 4/5 years ago and was given shoes - Mizunos. At the time I thought they were great.

    However, I went to a podiatrist last year and she analysed my feet in way more detail. Recommended completely different shoes and my running improved greatly. Tiredness in my legs reduced etc. Way better than the Mizunos.
    Curious which mizunos they recommended for you? I was recommended the nirvanas (overpronate) but they discountued them and I'm on my last pair I've had hoarded away. I can't decide if I like the wave paradox that they replaced them with...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Hey,

    So I have a challenging enough goal for the Fingal 10k (sub-45). My recent Docklands 5k and Irish Runner 5m races have been around that level (21:14, 35:52) so it *should* be do-able if things goes well on the day.

    What changes (if any) would you make to the Boards plan to target this race? Or is it just a case by now of following the plan as-is? Should I do some 5k/10k race-pace repeats between now and the race? The hill work next week seems like it should be worth keeping anyway.

    The Fingal 10k is two weeks away on Sunday! :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Clearlier


    Singer wrote: »
    Hey,

    So I have a challenging enough goal for the Fingal 10k (sub-45). My recent Docklands 5k and Irish Runner 5m races have been around that level (21:14, 35:52) so it *should* be do-able if things goes well on the day.

    What changes (if any) would you make to the Boards plan to target this race? Or is it just a case by now of following the plan as-is? Should I do some 5k/10k race-pace repeats between now and the race? The hill work next week seems like it should be worth keeping anyway.

    The Fingal 10k is two weeks away on Sunday! :eek:

    Which is more important to you, the 10k or the marathon?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Clearlier wrote: »
    Which is more important to you, the 10k or the marathon?

    Marathon, then the 10k.

    I'd like to do well in this race as 1) I'm from Swords :cool: and 2) this race was my first ever last year, and I'd like to demolish that time :D

    Just as the Boards plan accommodates the Frank Duffy 10m and Half-marathon, I'm sure there's sensible modifications that could be made to it to accommodate this race (even if it's just a short taper).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Clearlier


    Singer wrote: »
    Marathon, then the 10k.

    I'd like to do well in this race as 1) I'm from Swords :cool: and 2) this race was my first ever last year, and I'd like to demolish that time :D

    Just as the Boards plan accommodates the Frank Duffy 10m and Half-marathon, I'm sure there's sensible modifications that could be made to it to accommodate this race (even if it's just a short taper).

    I would suggest that you do the LSR early in the week and do the 10k instead of the pace run. I wouldn't bother tapering but I would throw a few strides into the easy runs on the last couple of days before the race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Interesting article by Mary Jennings today in d'times - be mindful when running. Appears to be Dubgal compliant content: "leave the ego, the watch and the headphones at home" - now where have I heard this kind of thing before :D

    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/run-free-leave-your-watch-and-ego-at-home-1.2269463


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Singer wrote: »
    Interesting article by Mary Jennings today in d'times - be mindful when running. Appears to be Dubgal compliant content: "leave the ego, the watch and the headphones at home" - now where have I heard this kind of thing before :D

    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/run-free-leave-your-watch-and-ego-at-home-1.2269463

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Singer wrote: »
    Hey,

    So I have a challenging enough goal for the Fingal 10k (sub-45). My recent Docklands 5k and Irish Runner 5m races have been around that level (21:14, 35:52) so it *should* be do-able if things goes well on the day.

    What changes (if any) would you make to the Boards plan to target this race? Or is it just a case by now of following the plan as-is? Should I do some 5k/10k race-pace repeats between now and the race? The hill work next week seems like it should be worth keeping anyway.

    The Fingal 10k is two weeks away on Sunday! :eek:

    Hi Singer, what plan are you doing ?
    According to the milelage spreadsheet you done 13.3 miles Monday, 12.8 miles yesterday and 13.1 miles today. the longest run on week 2 of the Boards plan is 10 miles. You have run a total of 42.7 miles for the week.
    Now that's a lot of miles for week 2 of any plan never mind one designed for novices. You are running the risk of injury and not making the start line in October.
    You should pick a plan that might suit you better, but at the moment you don't seem to be following any plan and your training is all over the place(27.7 miles last week, 42.7 miles so far this week)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Just in from 8 miles LSR, what a disaster, is it too early in training to not be feeling the love for running. Managed to run the 8 miles in the required pace but felt awful. Was hot, felt really sluggish and I hurt everywhere from my knee down. I actually had to stop to stretch my calf at one stage. Not sure if its a combination of running the LSR in the evening, as I usually run them on Sunday morning, the heat tonight, feeling tired after work, first LSR with no headphones and I missed them at stages to motivate me. I know we will have good days and bad days and you just gotta take the good days with the bad days and move on. Just worried about all these niggles would this be normal so early into the training to have constant niggles while you run. Anyway just gotta write it off as a bad one. Managed to get the 8 miles done in the required pace so job done. Move on as they say. Spent the last while doing the Gerard Harmann stretches and some foam rolling. Another trip to the physio or a sports massage may be in order. Everyone must be doing the Clontarf half tomorrow did not meet any runners on the way out and met one on the way back along Clontarf Road very unusual. Anyway moan over...... feeling better already !! happy running everyone and good luck in Clontarf HM tomorrow anyone doing it. :)


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