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Tim Hunt got hunted!

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  • #32
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Candie wrote: »
    So even if every single woman he's ever worked with has falling in love with him, while crying, that means ALL women scientists do.

    Gotcha. Didn't know that fact.


    He was making an observation from his years of work in the lab.
    You can say he is sexist for stating it,but his observations are correct.


  • #33
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    kneemos wrote: »
    He was making an observation from his years of work in the lab.
    You can say he is sexist for stating it,but his observations are correct.

    What are you basing your confirmation of his observations on?


  • #34
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    kneemos wrote: »
    Not personal opinion.It happened,it's fact.

    Not just fact....scientific fact.


  • #35
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    What he said was stupid. No matter how "in jest" it was later claimed to be. Stupid because it's more than a bit daft and stupid because he should have realised you can't say anything like that without having the pitchforks coming out to play. Interestingly not a single woman scientist who studied under or worked with him suggested he had any gender bias. Quite the opposite, while they said his utterings were daft, they had nothing but good things to say of the chap.

    Look at the crapstorm that followed the chap who wore the "sexist" shirt FFS(see my avatar), made by a woman no less. All it took was some social studies journalism major hack to point the beady and next thing the guy is in tears apologising. Knowing if he didn't, career suicide. Yea, nice one hack, all you can muster is pressing the on button on your macbook Air and retweeting feelz, while he's part of a team(that included women who were strangely absent from the lynch mobs witterings) that landed a probe on a comet. GTFO

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #36
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Kev W wrote: »
    What are you basing your confirmation of his observations on?


    Himself. He's a highly intelligent man with years and decades of experience.


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  • #37
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    kneemos wrote: »
    Himself. He's a highly intelligent man with years and decades of experience.

    What he says is true because he says it's true. Brilliant.


  • #38
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Kev W wrote: »
    What he says is true because he says it's true. Brilliant.

    Exactly.


  • #39
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    MathDebater wrote: »
    The social media/social justice phenomenon is a very American import. They don't have real left wing politics and in its place you get this self-righteous mob concerned with whatever issue is topic du jour. As America is the dominant culture, it's started to slowly spread across the Atlantic.
    +1. What was once harebrained radical stuff seems to get much more traction and airtime and has more real world effects too. I say seems, but it's more about how much larger an audience social media garners for the extremists of all hues. Plus and more importantly it gets a lot more views/clicks/likes and profits than measured commentary. It increasingly makes people pick corners too. Not good, very divisive.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #40
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    Candie wrote: »
    That is some incredibly sexy nose hair he has going on there. I think I'm falling in love.




    On which planet?

    Women cry in the workplace. It happens.
    In every company where I've worked...6 or 7 I can think of women I've seen crying in each and every one. I can't remember any men crying and I think that would stand out. It's not sexist, it happens. No big deal.

    Men and women get together in the workplace, it happens. Again I've seen it in most places I've worked in. What's the big bloody deal?

    Every now and then some hack latches onto some non story, the witch hunters come out in a feeding frenzy and some victim is forced to apologise for something that doesn't need apologising for. Usually for causing offence....which they didn't cause but of course you can't account
    for people willfully taking offence.


  • #41
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Seems some women are too sensitive to take a bit of criticism.


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  • #42
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    gramar wrote: »
    Women cry in the workplace. It happens.
    In every company where I've worked...6 or 7 I can think of women I've seen crying in each and every one. I can't remember any men crying and I think that would stand out. It's not sexist, it happens. No big deal.

    Men and women get together in the workplace, it happens. Again I've seen it in most places I've worked in. What's the big bloody deal?

    Every now and then some hack latches onto some non story, the witch hunters come out in a feeding frenzy and some victim is forced to apologise for something that doesn't need apologising for. Usually for causing offence....which they didn't cause but of course you can't account
    for people willfully taking offence.

    I've seen men cry in the workplace too.


  • #43
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    kneemos wrote: »
    Himself. He's a highly intelligent man with years and decades of experience.

    As a scientist, your reasoning for believing his hypothesis is nonsense. All it would be at this stage is a hypothesis. Where's his data? Has he run a statistical analysis on it to see if a significant portion of his female colleagues have fallen in love with him? It would be more along the lines of confirmation bias and cherry picking.

    Also, as a female scientist, I find myself madly in love with you, kneemos. I can't help it. :(

    It is a shame that he lost his position over a stupid comment, but he really should have known better. Even if he'd apologised in a slightly less not-really-apology way, he might have gotten away with it. No, I don't think he should have lost his job, but at the same time, I eyeroll over the elderly attitude towards wimmin in science.


  • #44
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    Kev W wrote: »
    I've seen men cry in the workplace too.

    I'm not saying they dont but personally I can't recall seeing it anywhere I've been.

    Going through every company I've been in, I can think of women crying. I'm not criticising it...it just happens. I could even include primary and secondary school teachers to that list.


  • #45
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Samaris wrote: »
    As a scientist, your reasoning for believing his hypothesis is nonsense. All it would be at this stage is a hypothesis. Where's his data? Has he run a statistical analysis on it to see if a significant portion of his female colleagues have fallen in love with him? It would be more along the lines of confirmation bias and cherry picking.

    Also, as a female scientist, I find myself madly in love with you, kneemos. I can't help it. :(

    It is a shame that he lost his position over a stupid comment, but he really should have known better. Even if he'd apologised in a slightly less not-really-apology way, he might have gotten away with it. No, I don't think he should have lost his job, but at the same time, I eyeroll over the elderly attitude towards wimmin in science.

    Well why don't you go cry about it?

    Oh you are.

    Oh I'm so sorry.


  • #46
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    *sobs wildly*


  • #47
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Samaris wrote: »
    As a scientist, your reasoning for believing his hypothesis is nonsense. All it would be at this stage is a hypothesis. Where's his data? Has he run a statistical analysis on it to see if a significant portion of his female colleagues have fallen in love with him? It would be more along the lines of confirmation bias and cherry picking.

    Also, as a female scientist, I find myself madly in love with you, kneemos. I can't help it. :(

    It is a shame that he lost his position over a stupid comment, but he really should have known better. Even if he'd apologised in a slightly less not-really-apology way, he might have gotten away with it. No, I don't think he should have lost his job, but at the same time, I eyeroll over the elderly attitude towards wimmin in science.



    The only error I can see is his calling it a problem.
    It's normal human behaviour.


  • #48
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    Samaris wrote: »

    It is a shame that he lost his position over a stupid comment, but he really should have known better. Even if he'd apologised in a slightly less not-really-apology way, he might have gotten away with it. No, I don't think he should have lost his job, but at the same time, I eyeroll over the elderly attitude towards wimmin in science.

    He didn't commit any crime to have to get away with anything. He has been accused and convicted of a crime that isn't a crime.


  • #49
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    gramar wrote: »
    He didn't commit any crime to have to get away with anything. He has been accused and convicted of a crime that isn't a crime.

    Nobody called it a crime. You can "get away" with things that aren't crimes. He also to the best of my knowledge has not been convicted.


  • #50
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    Kev W wrote: »
    Nobody called it a crime. You can "get away" with things that aren't crimes. He also to the best of my knowledge has not been convicted.

    ahh you know what I mean...it was a so-called crime of social etiquette or some shyte like that. If you're going to lose your job for that you may as well have a good auld grope while you're at it.


  • #51
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Kev W wrote: »
    I've seen men cry in the workplace too.
    Maybe it's just me but I've never seen anyone cry in the workplace. :confused:

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #52
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Maybe it's just me but I've never seen anyone cry in the workplace. :confused:

    I have plenty of times, Involving people being told to work and alike. And then trying to make out they are being bullied.


  • #53
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Maybe it's just me but I've never seen anyone cry in the workplace. :confused:

    How could you not seeing anyone cry in the workplace be anything but "just you"?

    Anyway, congratulations, maybe?


  • #54
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Burn him! BURN HIM!!


  • #55
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    Candie wrote: »
    On which planet?

    Mars.


  • #56
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Burn him! BURN HIM!!

    Too late for that...but if you have any suggestions about where the ashes should be scattered....


  • #57
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I have plenty of times, Involving people being told to work and alike. And then trying to make out they are being bullied.

    "Plenty of times"?

    And never for a legitimate reason?


  • #58
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    In a way I feel sorry for him as he suffered a heavy punishment. Maybe it was a wake up call to him that you just can't say that stuff any more.

    But in another way, what he said was really stupid (his apology wasn't great either) and I'm not sure that the university had much choice when it came to be seen to taking action.

    People are referencing the scientist with the silly shirt, but Tim Hunt holds a lot more responsibility for what happened than that guy did.


  • #59
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Kev W wrote: »
    How could you not seeing anyone cry in the workplace be anything but "just you"?

    Anyway, congratulations, maybe?
    Sheesh, who blew the wind up your skirt.
    osarusan wrote: »
    People are referencing the scientist with the silly shirt, but Tim Hunt holds a lot more responsibility for what happened than that guy did.
    Both were storms in a teacup, but yes I agree O, Hunt was much more responsible. The shirt dude witch hunt was way madder.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #60
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Samaris wrote: »
    As a scientist, your reasoning for believing his hypothesis is nonsense. All it would be at this stage is a hypothesis. Where's his data? Has he run a statistical analysis on it to see if a significant portion of his female colleagues have fallen in love with him? It would be more along the lines of confirmation bias and cherry picking.

    Also, as a female scientist, I find myself madly in love with you, kneemos. I can't help it. :(

    It is a shame that he lost his position over a stupid comment, but he really should have known better. Even if he'd apologised in a slightly less not-really-apology way, he might have gotten away with it. No, I don't think he should have lost his job, but at the same time, I eyeroll over the elderly attitude towards wimmin in science.

    What he said was stupid but this guy is not just a scientist he is a Nobel Prize Winner who has accomplished something of note.
    He might have a bigoted view towards women scientists he may just of been cracking a bad joke!
    The majority of any scientists male or female will not even come close to his achievements for the most part they do not matter nor will they ever matter!

    Social media and the back-lash is essentially a global mob that is as smart as its dumbest member.

    I would say 99% of the people that thought he deserved to lose his job have no idea what actually does!

    A female employment lawyer who was on the panel (Who ended up looking a dat bit stupid for getting her facts wrong - maybe her law firm should let her go also), seem to think he brought the uni into disrepute and they had every right to force him out. So one off-the-cuff stupid comment which too be honest was hardly that offensive outweighs PHD life devoted to Science, Nobel Prize winner...

    I call this "cutting off your nose to spite your face"...


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  • #61
    gramar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

    I call this "cutting off your nose to spite your face"...

    I call it a load of old bollocks.


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