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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭mobfromcork


    Hi guys. So my runners are on the way out and I'm thinking of getting a new pair. I bought my last two pairs online from Amazon and sports direct, with no problems. Dubgal was saying how good amphibian king are. Are they worth a visit? I was thinking of runways too.

    On another topic, is anyone aware of a GPS watch that does running and golf distances?? I use map my run at present but might get a watch. Trying to find one that will do both running and golf. Any tips appreciated thanks.

    I found AK in Ballymount to be great in helping to choose the correct pair of running shoes. Gary spent quite an amount of time with me, trying on lots of different brands, styles etc until we found one that suited my feet/gait/insoles.
    It worked out slightly more expensive than buying the shoes online but for the service received it was a small price to pay. If you were to buy the wrong shoes for your feet you could end up paying a lot in physio bills to rectify the problem. For an extra few quid at the start you could greatly reduce the chance of this happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭eyeball kid


    Ok, I've been dancing around this for too many years always saying I'ld like to do a marathon, time to get the finger out. Just completed the registration so no going back now :eek:

    What is your athletics background? Have you run before? What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
    Running the last ten years or so I reckon, nothing serious.
    Always seem to get injured though whenever I build up the miles.

    Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
    2012: Cologne Half Marathon 1:59:12
    2013: The Lakes 10km 50:07 (disappointed not to beat the 50 :()

    Completed lots of other 10km over the years including the Great Ireland run in April where I finished it in 51mins something.

    Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training?
    Not normally, maybe an odd time.

    How much training do you currently do incl cross training?
    Currently getting out 2 to 3 times a week.
    Don't like the gym or do any other sports.
    I might rejoin the gym for a few month to use the pool if this would be helpful.

    What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?

    A dream time would be under 4 hours. More realistic would probably be 4:30 to 4:45. Just really want to finish it and to be able to get up to a level of where I can train 4 times a week without injuring myself.

    What marathon programme are you following/intending to use?
    Going to try and follow the HH plan as best I can. I know when I try to increase my speed, is when I usually get injured (always the knees) and this plan doesn't have the strides in them. If all is going well after a month or two I might try an incorporate elements of the Boards plan into the training.

    Of course I'll have to convert the training plans into metric because of the luddites using the imperial system :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭RonanP77


    My whole evening was spent drawing up a Marathon plan and it's not finished yet. I was going to follow the boards plan but it's too much for me, I'm not at that level yet. I'm only going to run 4 days a week anyway so it wouldn't suit.

    I went with HHN2 but adjusted it to fit around other commitments. I'll be doing slightly more miles than what's on it but using it as a guide to when to ramp things up, how big of jumps to make in mileage and when to taper. I think I'll be doing all my runs as easy but Thursdays will have splits so I have at least a small bit of speed work.

    I had to convert everything to km, figure out what days would suit best then figure out what combination of the 5 different routes around the lake/woods I need to do to get as close as possible to my target distance for each LSR.

    It sounds like a boring evening but it felt like it was really the start of it all so I enjoyed it. I'll be sticking it on the fridge and ticking off the days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭sideshowbob321


    I'm just starting to decrease my milage per run and increase the frequency to begin the HHN1 plan for my 1st Marathon.
    I was running fast and long but am changing to allow for correct DCM plan.
    Couple of questions..
    Is it okay to shift around my lsr some weeks to allow for usual distractions/life etc once I'm hitting the required milage?
    I'm registered for both the fingal 10k and DCHALF is okay to train as per plan but push a wee bit for PB's on race day?? Or should I ran these at training pave?
    And would it be wise to book the RocknRoll half 02/08 just to get more experience as I've only completed one half in April
    And finally I've a family holiday in mid August for 12 days hence the thinking for the RnR half so will this disrupt my training plan if I can't fully follow on hols??
    Sorry for all these questions together but I'm fully committed and just want to get everything mapped out in head early on! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭rom


    I'm just starting to decrease my milage per run and increase the frequency to begin the HHN1 plan for my 1st Marathon.
    I was running fast and long but am changing to allow for correct DCM plan.
    Couple of questions..
    Is it okay to shift around my lsr some weeks to allow for usual distractions/life etc once I'm hitting the required milage?
    I'm registered for both the fingal 10k and DCHALF is okay to train as per plan but push a wee bit for PB's on race day?? Or should I ran these at training pave?
    And would it be wise to book the RocknRoll half 02/08 just to get more experience as I've only completed one half in April
    And finally I've a family holiday in mid August for 12 days hence the thinking for the RnR half so will this disrupt my training plan if I can't fully follow on hols??
    Sorry for all these questions together but I'm fully committed and just want to get everything mapped out in head early on! :)
    To archive your goal mini goals are needed so the 1/2 is a good idea. It is ok to shift the LSD run if you mean moving it a day either side of the plan. I do the same myself now and again. Its not set in stone. basically its session or lsd and enough time to recover and repeat. So you basically need the same space between sessions and LSD as you are doing and you should be fine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    Since no one else seems to be doing it....

    http://www.strava.com/clubs/148009

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Clearlier


    Hi guys. So my runners are on the way out and I'm thinking of getting a new pair. I bought my last two pairs online from Amazon and sports direct, with no problems. Dubgal was saying how good amphibian king are. Are they worth a visit? I was thinking of runways too.

    On another topic, is anyone aware of a GPS watch that does running and golf distances?? I use map my run at present but might get a watch. Trying to find one that will do both running and golf. Any tips appreciated thanks.

    What do you mean by golf distances? Wow, golf technology has really moved on since I last looked. The Garmin products look very similar but the descriptions that I have read don't suggest that they measure anything more than distance covered. I'd suggest going into a shop that carries them and asking to play around with one. Ideally, if you can find a shop that carries both running and golf ones you can compare and decide which one to go with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Ok, I've been dancing around this for too many years always saying I'ld like to do a marathon, time to get the finger out. Just completed the registration so no going back now :eek:

    What is your athletics background? Have you run before? What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
    Running the last ten years or so I reckon, nothing serious.
    Always seem to get injured though whenever I build up the miles.

    Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
    2012: Cologne Half Marathon 1:59:12
    2013: The Lakes 10km 50:07 (disappointed not to beat the 50 :()

    Completed lots of other 10km over the years including the Great Ireland run in April where I finished it in 51mins something.

    Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training?
    Not normally, maybe an odd time.

    How much training do you currently do incl cross training?
    Currently getting out 2 to 3 times a week.
    Don't like the gym or do any other sports.
    I might rejoin the gym for a few month to use the pool if this would be helpful.

    What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?

    A dream time would be under 4 hours. More realistic would probably be 4:30 to 4:45. Just really want to finish it and to be able to get up to a level of where I can train 4 times a week without injuring myself.

    What marathon programme are you following/intending to use?
    Going to try and follow the HH plan as best I can. I know when I try to increase my speed, is when I usually get injured (always the knees) and this plan doesn't have the strides in them. If all is going well after a month or two I might try an incorporate elements of the Boards plan into the training.

    Of course I'll have to convert the training plans into metric because of the luddites using the imperial system :pac:

    Hi eyeball kid, oh no not another metric head :D welcome to the thread. You've a good history of running behind you which will stand to you over the next few months. Your injury history is tinkling an alarm bell but you seem to be nearly on top of it. Have you a physio on speed dial?! You'll find that stretching, foam rolling and core/strength/conditioning work are an integral part of training and injury prevention....you may need to say hello to that gym ;)
    Also stay on the conservative side of building for now, whether that's increasing your daily mileage or weekly total run days. Listen to your body, it knows best... Ideally you will be running five days a week by late July/early August. Best of luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    I'm just starting to decrease my milage per run and increase the frequency to begin the HHN1 plan for my 1st Marathon.
    I was running fast and long but am changing to allow for correct DCM plan.
    Couple of questions..
    Is it okay to shift around my lsr some weeks to allow for usual distractions/life etc once I'm hitting the required milage?
    I'm registered for both the fingal 10k and DCHALF is okay to train as per plan but push a wee bit for PB's on race day?? Or should I ran these at training pave?
    And would it be wise to book the RocknRoll half 02/08 just to get more experience as I've only completed one half in April
    And finally I've a family holiday in mid August for 12 days hence the thinking for the RnR half so will this disrupt my training plan if I can't fully follow on hols??
    Sorry for all these questions together but I'm fully committed and just want to get everything mapped out in head early on! :)
    Hi sideshowbob. Absolutely ok to tweak the plan to adjust for 'life' but follow the principle of hard day followed by easy day. Also don't drop the long run, it's an integral part of your training. If you have to drop it, that's it, it's gone. You can't play catch up with marathon training.

    Ok too to race the race series, in fact these ones are a definite race. They really are great for getting benchmarks and mapping your progression. We have talked about people using other races for training runs. This is generally to break up any potential monotony for those who might be doing a lot of their training solo.

    The RnR half might not be the best idea. You'll spend 10 days recovering from that which will bring you up to holiday time so that potentially could wipe out August which is a pretty crucial month really. Have a think about how viable sticking to the schedule is on holiday if you really want to race the half.

    Loving the commitment and thinking ahead :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    chrislad wrote: »
    Since no one else seems to be doing it....

    http://www.strava.com/clubs/148009

    :D

    Great stuff! Joined.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭RonanP77


    nop98 wrote:
    Great stuff! Joined.


    Me too, then realised things look very bad for me this week with only one very short run so far. It'll look a little better tomorrow.

    I'm having a bit of a jumbled week because I wasn't well Tuesday so took a rest day and I have a charity 9k on Saturday. I never run Saturdays so everything has to be moved around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭Dow99


    The cruelty of running!! I've been struggling with getting enjoyment out of running on my own, so this week I joined the local running group, plus a friend has committed to do the marathon as well. This week had being going great and I've been having a real buzz and feeling motivated with doing the training. However, I seemed to have strained my left calf last night... frustrating as finally I had just started training consistently and then this puts me out for a week or two!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Dow99 wrote: »
    The cruelty of running!! I've been struggling with getting enjoyment out of running on my own, so this week I joined the local running group, plus a friend has committed to do the marathon as well. This week had being going great and I've been having a real buzz and feeling motivated with doing the training. However, I seemed to have strained my left calf last night... frustrating as finally I had just started training consistently and then this puts me out for a week or two!!!

    Ouch bad luck? Have you seen a physio? It may not be as bad as you think.

    *note for all of you: don't self-diagnose, find a physio/practitioner with at least a general athletics background, preferably running.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭eyeball kid


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Hi eyeball kid, oh no not another metric head :D welcome to the thread. You've a good history of running behind you which will stand to you over the next few months. Your injury history is tinkling an alarm bell but you seem to be nearly on top of it. Have you a physio on speed dial?! You'll find that stretching, foam rolling and core/strength/conditioning work are an integral part of training and injury prevention....you may need to say hello to that gym ;)
    Also stay on the conservative side of building for now, whether that's increasing your daily mileage or weekly total run days. Listen to your body, it knows best... Ideally you will be running five days a week by late July/early August. Best of luck!

    Thanks Dubgal. Yeah, might just have to look at joining the gym for a few months. What kind of stretching or exercises with the foam roller would you recommend? I only use the roller for stretching out the IT bands after a run. Is there anything else I can be using it for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Kerry Gooner


    chrislad wrote: »
    Since no one else seems to be doing it....

    http://www.strava.com/clubs/148009

    :D
    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭Dow99


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Ouch bad luck? Have you seen a physio? It may not be as bad as you think.

    *note for all of you: don't self-diagnose, find a physio/practitioner with at least a general athletics background, preferably running.


    I'll see how it is over the next few days before seeing a physio. I'll R.I.C.E. it this evening and Friday and see how it is on Saturday and assess then. My plan was to do a Parkrun this weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Thanks Dubgal. Yeah, might just have to look at joining the gym for a few months. What kind of stretching or exercises with the foam roller would you recommend? I only use the roller for stretching out the IT bands after a run. Is there anything else I can be using it for?

    Have a look at the end of this post for links to recommended support stuff. I'm a new convert to the Myrtl routine but it's not recommended more than three times a week I think. Most effective straight after your run and some of the moves (the stand up swingy ones) are suitable for incorporating into a warm up routine for races and interval training.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭eyeball kid


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Have a look at the end of this post for links to recommended support stuff. I'm a new convert to the Myrtl routine but it's not recommended more than three times a week I think. Most effective straight after your run and some of the moves (the stand up swingy ones) are suitable for incorporating into a warm up routine for races and interval training.

    Thats great. Will take my time to read through that. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    chrislad wrote: »
    Since no one else seems to be doing it....

    http://www.strava.com/clubs/148009

    :D

    Right I'm in, not sure how I sync it all but I'll check it out tomorrow after lsr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    chrislad wrote: »
    Since no one else seems to be doing it....

    http://www.strava.com/clubs/148009

    :D

    I don't normally do this but...I joined the group :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    I don't normally do this but...I joined the group :o

    Welcome!

    I'll start kicking people who are going above the plan mileage next week :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Right, I'm in the Strava group, though I'll only get one more run in this week. Heading to Belfast for the Giro cycle on Sunday (~180km) then my runs will be mapped from France for the next couple of weeks when I get a WiFi signal!!:D

    Paul M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Emsy 1


    All done....I tried uploading from Garmin not sure if it was successful I'll have a proper look when I've more time cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭PJD


    chrislad wrote: »
    Since no one else seems to be doing it....

    http://www.strava.com/clubs/148009

    :D

    Hero! Thanks Chris. I'm in.... ! Now we need to work out who is who from our boards names!! Thanks again. Good luck to all of us! Paul


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭RonanP77


    PJD wrote:
    Hero! Thanks Chris. I'm in.... ! Now we need to work out who is who from our boards names!! Thanks again. Good luck to all of us! Paul

    Mine is fairly obvious along with about two others, I haven't a notion who any of the rest of you are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    PJD wrote: »
    Hero! Thanks Chris. I'm in.... ! Now we need to work out who is who from our boards names!! Thanks again. Good luck to all of us! Paul

    chrislad: Chris O'Brien (if that wasn't obvious enough!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭mobfromcork


    chrislad wrote: »
    Welcome!

    I'll start kicking people who are going above the plan mileage next week :D:D:D

    I'm in too. Just linked my Garmin to Strava. Looking forward to the weeks ahead (I think).

    Mob


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 betty swollox


    What is your athletics background? Have you run before?What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
    Running on and off for the last few years.

    Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
    Dublin Rock and Roll 1/2 2014 1:41
    DCM 2014 3:58:20 last 3 miles broke my heart :(


    Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training ? (No problem if you do)
    No,

    How much training do you currently do ? Distances, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
    3 runs a week, varying between 8 and 10k

    How many days a week can you train?
    3 maybe 4 at a push. I have 3 kids under the age of 5 :)

    What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
    After struggling last year over the last few miles i'm hoping to prepare and finish better
    Dream time 4:15. Realistic 4:30

    What marathon programme are you following?
    undecided


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 betty swollox


    What is your athletics background? Have you run before?What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
    Running on and off for the last few years.

    Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
    Dublin Rock and Roll 1/2 2014 1:41
    DCM 2014 3:58:20 last 3 miles broke my heart :(


    Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training ? (No problem if you do)
    No,

    How much training do you currently do ? Distances, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
    3 runs a week, varying between 8 and 10k

    How many days a week can you train?
    3 maybe 4 at a push. I have 3 kids under the age of 5 :)

    What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
    After struggling last year over the last few miles i'm hoping to prepare and finish better
    Dream time 3:40 Realistic 3:50ish

    What marathon programme are you following?
    undecided


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    Ugh, my shins are acting up again. I thought I had them sorted. They were pain free after the last injury, I went to the physio and got fitted with proper insoles and got new shoes, and same as previously, it started up again after 40 miles or so. It's very low pain, like 1/2 out of 10, but it's there.


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