Episode 5x10: 'Mother's Mercy' - READERS thread

senordingdong · 16-06-2015 04:49PM

Didn't find Jons alleged demise all that concerning..seemed to be coming a mile away.

Felt Stannis defeat was the real heartache of the episode.

amos13 · 16-06-2015 05:02PM

stankratz wrote:

Whatever business Melisandre has at the Wall, I could see Stannis hunting her down once that has concluded and it being a sufficient reason to keep the character alive. However, keeping him alive to send him off on a wacky quest to Dorne with Bronn in search of the Bad Pussy or something? Forget it, I'd rather he died where Brienne found him, and leave me there too.

If he survives and its a big if, I can see it working out whereby Brienne agrees to spare him if he helps rescue Sansa. Considering Ned was the one to give Stannis his bloody crown in the first place, he may feel duty bound to help, and then take the black (since he'll still believe he is the rightful king unless he forsakes it) and somehow become the 1000th LC, effectively being the one to lead the NW against the others (since he's the only one apart from JS, R'hollr have mercy on his soul, who cared about those big legions of pillaging ice zombies). I actually think the whole Stannis death is much more of a cliffhanger than JSs, since book readers are all pretty much in agreement that there's a resurrection afoot.

amos13 · 16-06-2015 05:09PM

jooksavage wrote:

That might sound like a lot but it seems like we're still only in set-up stages: winter hasn't really come yet, the white walkers are still far north of the wall and I'm presuming we're still nowhere near done with Meereen.

Yes but the next two books are called the winds of winter and a dream of spring, so I'm pretty sure next season winter will finally arrive to kick the fnuck out of westeros and then the final season, who knows. The aftermath of the great winter battle? The final clean up of westeros? Hardly climactic so its anyone's guess but next season winter will finally come.

Polka_Dot · 16-06-2015 05:38PM

I haven't read the books but wanted to ask about something that I've heard happens in them. Is it true that in the books,

Catelyn is resurrected by Thoros of Myr?

Does this mean there is hope for Jon Snow? (Not sure about spoiler tag etiquette so spoilered just in case)

bur · 16-06-2015 05:41PM

Son0vagun wrote: »

It just occurred to me, there's no way Brienne would kill Stannis, no way she'd become a King Slayer. She ridiculed Jaime for being just that. I'm going with Stannis is alive.

I'm surprised there's so much debate over this, he's obviously still alive.

bur · 16-06-2015 05:48PM

Polka_Dot wrote: »

I haven't read the books but wanted to ask about something that I've heard happens in them. Is it true that in the books,
Catelyn is resurrected by Thoros of Myr?
Does this mean there is hope for Jon Snow? (Not sure about spoiler tag etiquette so spoilered just in case)

Something i've noticed too with a few of my non reader friends, they are googling what happens Jon Snow.

But yes that is correct.

Mormegil · 16-06-2015 05:57PM

Polka_Dot wrote: »

I haven't read the books but wanted to ask about something that I've heard happens in them. Is it true that in the books,
Catelyn is resurrected by Thoros of Myr?
Does this mean there is hope for Jon Snow? (Not sure about spoiler tag etiquette so spoilered just in case)

No need to spoiler book material in the book thread.

In answer to your question, it's a little more complicated than that as Thoros refuses to do it but yes Catelyn is resurrected.

Polka_Dot · 16-06-2015 05:58PM

Thanks, it's something a book reader friend told me a while back but wasn't sure if it was right or not

LionelNashe · 16-06-2015 06:55PM

bur wrote: »

I'm surprised there's so much debate over this, he's obviously still alive.

Wishful thinking - it would make no sense for Brienne to sentence him to death, swing her sword, and then change her mind mid-swing. His story is over I reckon.

sabat · 16-06-2015 07:05PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

Wishful thinking - it would make no sense for Brienne to sentence him to death, swing her sword, and then change her mind mid-swing. His story is over I reckon.

I think there may be a clue in Stannis's "last words"- was it really 'her duty' or her right to sentence him to death and execute him? He may be able to help her in her actual duty, saving the Stark kids.

MrWalsh · 16-06-2015 07:26PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

Wishful thinking - it would make no sense for Brienne to sentence him to death, swing her sword, and then change her mind mid-swing. His story is over I reckon.

We didn't see a dead body. So he's still dancing as far as I'm concerned!

Mr.Prodston · 16-06-2015 07:32PM

All these potential Stannis redemption arcs really intrigue me and must now happen! They're too good not too. If you're changing from the books give us something interesting and cool and try and redeem a character that was butchered.

bur · 16-06-2015 09:22PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

Wishful thinking - it would make no sense for Brienne to sentence him to death, swing her sword, and then change her mind mid-swing. His story is over I reckon.

Not at all, if she was going to kill him there and then the set-up and final shot would have been done way differently. Otherwise it's just a moment with zero pay off.

Jofspring · 16-06-2015 09:30PM

We are talking about the same people that had grey worm save barristan at the last minute from having his throat slit. That gave the impression he was not dead as we didn't actually see him get killed or die. Next episode he is dead.

bur · 16-06-2015 09:45PM

Fair point, thought Selmy was going to survive that tbh, some awful storytelling right there. Selmy was a secondary character though, a significant difference.

did anyone else think of this during the stabbing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

super_furry · 16-06-2015 10:56PM

I always thought that Jon's 'death' was a convenient device to get him away from the Wall. He's dead and his watch is over. Don't doubt for a second hell be back, especially with the way they had Melisandre turn up just before.

JJayoo · 17-06-2015 12:56AM

What are the chances that Qyburn will stitch a hand back on Jamie?

Jon Stark · 17-06-2015 05:36AM

I don't doubt that Jon Snow will be resurrected, but I hate this theory going around that he'll be reborn as someone completely different, and that a new actor will be needed (and that's why they believe Kit when he says he won't be back).

If Jon Snow returns I want Jon Snow played by Kit Harrington. I don't want to see a new actor/character getting the possible pay offs of decimating the mutineers, battering Ramsay and defeating the WW.

I've invested 5 years in this ffs, they can fcuk off if that is somehow the plan.

/Rant

:pac:

Graham_B18C · 17-06-2015 06:26AM

Little question, why does everyone refer to Mountain 2.0 as Robert Strong? I don't ever remember reading that name in the books?

A few pages back people were asking about Daenerys' ring, my take on it was it could have been one of the things from Drogo's braid or something he gave her that she didn't want his gang to see. Could be way off but I reckon it's more likely than it being used to show Jorah and Daario where she's been.

MrWalsh · 17-06-2015 06:54AM

He is called Ser Robert Strong in the books.

Conall Cernach · 17-06-2015 09:02AM

sabat wrote: »

I think there may be a clue in Stannis's "last words"- was it really 'her duty' or her right to sentence him to death and execute him? He may be able to help her in her actual duty, saving the Stark kids.

She was also going on about Renly being the rightful king when she knows that Stannis was next in line if Cersei's children are not Robert's so maybe she'll realise she should have supported Stannis at the start.

MrWalsh · 17-06-2015 09:15AM

Conall Cernach wrote: »

She was also going on about Renly being the rightful king when she knows that Stannis was next in line if Cersei's children are not Robert's so maybe she'll realise she should have supported Stannis at the start.

No one in Westeros can ever prove that Cerseis children are not Roberts. Its just rumour and conjecture. They dont have DNA testing. It doesnt matter what you know, it only matters what you can prove. Unless Cersei publicly admits that they are Jaimes children - which she wont.

artvandelay48 · 17-06-2015 09:53AM

JJayoo wrote: »

What are the chances that Qyburn will stitch a hand back on Jamie?

I think that the greyjoys and the Lannisters are going to team up together so I think qyburn will stitch a tentacle on to Jamie.

Yakuza · 17-06-2015 10:00AM

MrWalsh wrote: »

No one in Westeros can ever prove that Cerseis children are not Roberts. Its just rumour and conjecture. They dont have DNA testing. It doesnt matter what you know, it only matters what you can prove. Unless Cersei publicly admits that they are Jaimes children - which she wont.

"The gold yielding before the coal" is proof enough. It got Jon Arryn killed, and Ned too.

MrWalsh · 17-06-2015 10:03AM

Yakuza wrote: »

"The gold yielding before the coal" is proof enough. It got Jon Arryn killed, and Ned too.

What got Jon Arryn killed was his wife poisoning him so she could be with Littlefinger, and to prevent her son being sent away from her.

Conall Cernach · 17-06-2015 10:03AM

MrWalsh wrote: »

No one in Westeros can ever prove that Cerseis children are not Roberts. Its just rumour and conjecture. They dont have DNA testing. It doesnt matter what you know, it only matters what you can prove. Unless Cersei publicly admits that they are Jaimes children - which she wont.

Yes but Brienne knows, or at least believes, that they are not Robert's so she knows that Stannis is the rightful king following Robert in succession.

MrWalsh · 17-06-2015 10:04AM

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Yes but Brienne knows, or at least believes, that they are not Robert's so she knows that Stannis is the rightful king following Robert in succession.

Then why did she support Renlys claim?

Lyssa · 17-06-2015 10:04AM

MrWalsh wrote: »

Then why did she support Renlys claim?

Because she was in love with him

MrWalsh · 17-06-2015 10:05AM

Lyssa wrote: »

Because she was in love with him

Exactly, so it was nothing to do with Robert not having trueborn heirs.

Savage Tyrant · 17-06-2015 11:25AM

Renly never intended to succeed to the Iron Throne... He claimed it. There is a difference.
Even if he and his supporters (including Brienne) where aware of the illegitimacy of joffrey and his siblings they would have know the the rights of succession put both Stannis and Shireen ahead of him.
He decided, with the backing of Highgarden and being popular amongst many of the lords of the realm, that he would make a better king than Stannis. So he declared himself king... Anyone could declare themselves King, it would just depend on if they have the support to back it up.

Episode 5x10: 'Mother's Mercy' - READERS thread

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