Soccer Forum Feedback Thread 2015

5starpool · 08-06-2015 01:59PM

8-10 wrote: »

This rule from the charter should be enforced a lot better:

Despite the charter stating in capital letters that match incident discussion is not tolerated in Superthreads, I very regularly (and I mean weekly) see the discussion of goals, penalty decisions, red cards etc etc discussed in the Superthreads which are reserved for more general discussions.

I would hope in 2015/16 that we see a lot more cards for posters ignoring this very obvious and basic rule, as my own feeling is that the Mods were lax on this in 2014/15 particularly when it regarded mentioning match incidents while a game was actually going on and while a match thread exists. But even if the match is over, this still should not be tolerated, we all agreed to abide by the charter so incidents should completely drop out of the Superthreads.

I relaly hope this doesn't become the case. While I think it's fine that match talk when a game is on should be in the match thread, discussing part of a game or an incident in the main thread afterwards is fine. I know when match threads were introduced forst there was a long period where people got silly cards for things and it was far too strict. Warnings to generally keep match stuff in the relevant threads are fine on occasion, but in the main it's not an issue for me.

Cantona's Collars · 08-06-2015 01:59PM

The whole thing about phrases suddenly being card offenses ends up with posters looking like school kids in DRP with the argument of "he said it first,and him,and him but now I'm in trouble."

If an incident leads to a nickname being widely used,why would it suddenly become offensive?

If mods suddenly decide that a phrase or nickname is to be no longer used then make it publicly known never mind handing out cards because a certain few posters hit report after consulting with each other first.

Lovely Bloke · 08-06-2015 02:00PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

FYP to reflect a more accurate recap of the situation.

Incorrect, up to the point in time when his use of the phrase became the sanctioned one people were presently using the term.

It may have stopped since, and that's cool, but it's totally bogus to card a fella for using a term that others have used and not gotten carded - especially when those other uses of the term are in the same thread and same general context - without first telling everyone to stop using the term, and that from that point onwards the term is now cardable.

Even though the charter makes it clear that such nicknames are taboo, once the mods start allowing a certain term to go unchecked they are tacitly allowing it as an exception - it is not kosher to then start handing out cards for that term without first stating that it is no longer allowed.

adox · 08-06-2015 02:02PM

8-10 wrote: »

This rule from the charter should be enforced a lot better:

Despite the charter stating in capital letters that match incident discussion is not tolerated in Superthreads, I very regularly (and I mean weekly) see the discussion of goals, penalty decisions, red cards etc etc discussed in the Superthreads which are reserved for more general discussions.

I would hope in 2015/16 that we see a lot more cards for posters ignoring this very obvious and basic rule, as my own feeling is that the Mods were lax on this in 2014/15 particularly when it regarded mentioning match incidents while a game was actually going on and while a match thread exists. But even if the match is over, this still should not be tolerated, we all agreed to abide by the charter so incidents should completely drop out of the Superthreads.

Well thats a rule I would like to see changed so you can discuss games on Superthreads.

Match threads are more often than not a cluster**** and I avoid them most of the time.

Hell even the CL final match thread which I took part in, descended into the usual Liverrpool vs Man Utd tripe.

O personally would love to be able to discuss an ongoing match in the teams Superthread, clear of those skating the line of trolling(and there are many).

pmasterson95 · 08-06-2015 02:05PM

Actually for matches maybe next year establish a thread for the 6-7 "smaller matches" that can go on during a match week? The big teams get the individual match thread but sometimes the likes of Palace vs. Everton could turn into a cracking fmgame but there was never a thread for those matches?

brevity · 08-06-2015 02:06PM

There has to be some analysis of the match in the super-threads afterwards imo. Otherwise there is very little to talk about.

GavRedKing · 08-06-2015 02:09PM

8-10 wrote: »

This rule from the charter should be enforced a lot better:

Despite the charter stating in capital letters that match incident discussion is not tolerated in Superthreads, I very regularly (and I mean weekly) see the discussion of goals, penalty decisions, red cards etc etc discussed in the Superthreads which are reserved for more general discussions.

I would hope in 2015/16 that we see a lot more cards for posters ignoring this very obvious and basic rule, as my own feeling is that the Mods were lax on this in 2014/15 particularly when it regarded mentioning match incidents while a game was actually going on and while a match thread exists. But even if the match is over, this still should not be tolerated, we all agreed to abide by the charter so incidents should completely drop out of the Superthreads.

Right off the top of my head I cant count the amount of superthreads that post about matches weekly. Utd and Pool make up the majority of fnas and as such have the largest base of fnas to engage in threads. They reguarly start match threads even if the game isnt on TV and theyre playing someone like Leicester, for example. However, if you replace Pool with Chelsea, Arsenal, City or any other subset of fnas that post here, they wont start a match thread for a non-TV game against a lowly team and sometimes match posts go into their own superthreads.

I've no issue with it anyway, a typical Utd or Pool match will get a few hundred posts, the other teams wont have that scope for certain games and most fans wont want to start a match thread.

GavRedKing · 08-06-2015 02:11PM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Actually for matches maybe next year establish a thread for the 6-7 "smaller matches" that can go on during a match week? The big teams get the individual match thread but sometimes the likes of Palace vs. Everton could turn into a cracking fmgame but there was never a thread for those matches?

I've no issue with a thread being started like "EPL Match week 1" and keeping general talk for games that dont have a thread or for people to treat is as a place for all EPL discussion that week.

Cantona's Collars · 08-06-2015 02:13PM

brevity wrote: »

There has to be some analysis of the match in the super-threads afterwards imo. Otherwise there is very little to talk about.

If you look into the 2 big threads on match days,you'll find nearly as much discussion there while the game is on as you would in the match thread,certain posters prefer to do that as it avoids the hassle of the niggling that can go on in the match thread.

Regarding the match threads for lesser supported teams,it's easy enough to start a thread for those fixtures and have it all encompassing for said games just as Gav said.It happens in the Fantasy EPL thread where all games are discussed as they happen,not on the same scale as the Soccer forum but it's done.

danrua01 · 08-06-2015 02:15PM

Match threads, etc:

Would it be feasible to have a reddit style Match Thread, then a Post-Match Thread?

08-06-2015 02:25PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The humour thread is a great containment space. Leave it as is.

Agreed.

It beats having the trolls post stuff in superthreads

BMMachine · 08-06-2015 02:27PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Agreed.

It beats having the trolls post stuff in superthreads

I know this sounds crazy, but what about no trolling at all?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 08-06-2015 02:29PM

adox wrote: »

Well thats a rule I would like to see changed so you can discuss games on Superthreads.

Match threads are more often than not a cluster**** and I avoid them most of the time.

Hell even the CL final match thread which I took part in, descended into the usual Liverrpool vs Man Utd tripe.

O personally would love to be able to discuss an ongoing match in the teams Superthread, clear of those skating the line of trolling(and there are many).

X1000.

Match threads are best avoided for the most part. The few times i venture in there is on occasions where i cannot get updates any other way and i quickly regret it.

And also +1 on Liverpool v ManU, if we were discussing politics here then it would also turn into Liverpool v ManU.

Not everything in life is a reflection of that rivalry.

8-10 · 08-06-2015 02:33PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

However, if you replace Pool with Chelsea, Arsenal, City or any other subset of fnas that post here, they wont start a match thread for a non-TV game against a lowly team and sometimes match posts go into their own superthreads.

So change the charter rule then! If it's ok to disregard that one then it's sending a message that the charter rules are flakey and open to interpretation. If you say something will not be tolerated then you have to follow through for the integrity of the charter.

If things have changed and it will now be tolerated, then remove it - simple.

I'd prefer it removed than enforced but I didn't think that was an option, all I'd say is that it can't work both ways - you can't make that statement in the charter and then not pull people up for doing it after agreeing to abide by the charter - makes no sense

The Moldy Gowl · 08-06-2015 02:35PM

BMMachine wrote: »

I know this sounds crazy, but what about no trolling at all?

Would you stop. It's humour on current events.
It's barely trolling.

MagicIRL · 08-06-2015 02:36PM

Trolling is just a buzzword. Nothing posted on boards.ie is ever genuinely trolling. Look at the humour thread; a lot of posts this season have been aimed at Liverpool and the antics of the fans last season. It's not trolling, it's having a laugh.

efb · 08-06-2015 02:40PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Trolling is just a buzzword. Nothing posted on boards.ie is ever genuinely trolling. Look at the humour thread; a lot of posts this season have been aimed at Liverpool and the antics of the fans last season. It's not trolling, it's having a laugh.

Depends how one defines trolling ©

pmasterson95 · 08-06-2015 02:42PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Would you stop. It's humour on current events.
It's barely trolling.

I'm sure when United missed CL he was more than happy to laugh at them. Now that its Liverpool in the firing line its ah stop bullying us. The thread reflects who evers failing the most. If your sensitive and your teams failing dont go there.

Knex* · 08-06-2015 02:44PM

Tbh, if I thought there was a post where Zerks was congratulating Ronaldo last year, I'd have screenshot it and posted it right under the Suarez thing.

Its fair game.

I'd wager the majority of Liverpool fans loved that thread last year, and this year not so much. United, the opposite.

08-06-2015 02:46PM

BMMachine wrote: »

I know this sounds crazy, but what about no trolling at all?

It's not really trolling though. It's a bit of humour. You'll get the odd person that will step out of line and the mods sort it.

Trust me the humour thread is a godsend. All those pics used to be posted in superthreads which in turn caused bickering etc.

08-06-2015 02:56PM

zerks wrote: »

The whole thing about phrases suddenly being card offenses ends up with posters looking like school kids in DRP with the argument of "he said it first,and him,and him but now I'm in trouble."

If an incident leads to a nickname being widely used,why would it suddenly become offensive?

If mods suddenly decide that a phrase or nickname is to be no longer used then make it publicly known never mind handing out cards because a certain few posters hit report after consulting with each other first.

It's context I guess and depends where it's said.

If someone is being a dick they deserve what they get tbh. If they disagree let them go to drp and challenge it.

The humour thread is there for a reason.

To add to this : Chelski from last season is a good example. It was used a fair bit but added to the banned list as it's having a dig whether it's childish or not.

Darkglasses · 08-06-2015 03:00PM

I don't read this forum much anymore, but from the outside it seems 100x better than 12 months ago. Well done everyone.

08-06-2015 03:07PM

I think opposition match thread bans could be handed out to one or 2 who come in at the same point every single one of them and make a statement to just rile everyone up. I know the names now so it's easier and the touch site doesn't show ignored posters. I'm sure it happens in non-united match threads too which I rarely read but there's definitely one or two who come in every time there's even a 50-50 incident and start spouting shìt clearly designed to do nothing other than fan the flames.

I'd agree that it's the least problematic the forum has been since I started reading/posting.

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Cantona's Collars · 08-06-2015 03:21PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Would you stop. It's humour on current events.
It's barely trolling.

Offended for the sake of it,that's the joy of it here at times.

5starpool · 08-06-2015 03:21PM

JT26 wrote: »

One thing I wana ask is abusing the thank system still against the charter? for example a poster posts which gets carded and posters thank it is what i mean

There was a big issue involving this years ago which I won't detail, but from what I can tell the answering is generally no, but obviously there is still discretion on the part of the mods if they see fit as well.

For example, if I called Suarez a cúnt and 5 people thanked it I'd get a card but they wouldn't, but if I threatened to kill you and went on a massive rant about how/why I was going to and 5 people thanked it, then as well as me getting banned (and possibly arrested!) those that thanked it might get banned too, although I'm not sure on that one. Bit of an extreme example though, and for the record I am not intending to kill you

BMMachine · 08-06-2015 03:21PM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

I'm sure when United missed CL he was more than happy to laugh at them. Now that its Liverpool in the firing line its ah stop bullying us. The thread reflects who evers failing the most. If your sensitive and your teams failing dont go there.

no im pretty sure I wasn't. In fact, I thought the same thing that I do now, that its cheap pops and lowbrow trolling. But however, its good to generalise to make your point seem more relevant even if it is based on ideas you have just made up in your head.

At the end of the day, it is trolling, it seems to be the designated trolling thread. Should that not be in the charter then? "no trolling except for the humour thread where trolling is actually allowed"

zerks wrote: »

Offended for the sake of it,that's the joy of it here at times.

says one of the main guys who trolls that thread. sorry am I allowed to say that? I get confused, I was accused of being a troll, reported the post and nothing happened, so is it okay if I do it here?

08-06-2015 03:23PM

Liam O wrote: »

I think opposition match thread bans could be handed out to one or 2 who come in at the same point every single one of them and make a statement to just rile everyone up. I know the names now so it's easier and the touch site doesn't show ignored posters. I'm sure it happens in non-united match threads too which I rarely read but there's definitely one or two who come in every time there's even a 50-50 incident and start spouting shìt clearly designed to do nothing other than fan the flames.

I'd agree that it's the least problematic the forum has been since I started reading/posting.

By spouting ****e what do you mean though?

If it's trolling the mod do a good job of keeping it under wraps.

I think we all know a few names that like to cause issues in match threads. They've most likely picked up cards though.

SantryRed · 08-06-2015 03:45PM

I think outside of the two main teams, a lot of matches are being discussed within superthreads, and it makes it a hell of a lot harder for a neutral to post there. At that point, there's no point in creating a match thread because all the discussion will be occurring in the superthread. The Newcastle and Chelsea superthreads are two examples of this happening on what I think is a consistent basis.

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