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  • #32
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    BMMachine wrote: »
    so its okay to breach the charter on it then?

    I never said that. There's a mod note in the opening post, the jist of it being that if you're a drama llama it's probably best not to follow that thread.
    There's a little bit of leeway given over the other threads which is fair because you can avoid it if you want to whereas if it was popping up in superthreads you can't really avoid it.


  • #33
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭duffman13


    BMMachine wrote: »
    so its okay to breach the charter on it then?



    theres taking the piss and then theres trolling. You are right, it is for every club, the 13/14 season utd fans got trolled in it, thats not a good thing.
    It almost seems like a competition on the thread to post the most acidic and scathing thing possible and get away with it and is entirely inconsistent to the rest of the forum.

    Honestly, inconsistent is a bit of a buzzword when it comes to the moderating in general here. In some cases, you can accuse someone of being a troll and get away with it, in others, you can't. There seems to be a lot of these unwritten rules and personally, I think that depends on who you are rather than what you say

    We need to close the thread in that case or perhaps just avoid it? It's not trolling, it's posting funny gifs and pics when a team isn't doing well. It's part and parcel of humour on this forum. A lot of them are hilarious even the ones against my team. Some of them are not funny but you don't have to laugh just like you shouldn't get offended. If something is out of line it needs to reported.

    It also means less pics and gifs in superthreads which I'm all for. Except Kate Upton gifs, they need to come back :)


  • #34
    BMMachine
    Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    You've said that twice now, can you elaborate?

    probably not without name dropping which is something I don't want to do.


  • #35
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,532 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I have to say that I believe that the forum is being run better right now thas it ever has been in my time here. Credit to all the mods for that.

    Don't change anything right now is my opinion.


  • #36
    danrua01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭danrua01


    Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »
    What about removing the word 'rumours' from thread titles and changing it for news.
    The summer months are painful enough, but some posters will post stupid rumours from the express or daily mail or their mates dog.
    When they rumour bit gets crushed they play the victim saying well the thread has rumours in it.

    All these clickbait articles are a pet peeve of mine and I guess we can't ban the tabloid newspapers.
    It's pedantic I know

    Maybe have a seasonal thread/sub-forum for transfer rumours/news?


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  • #37
    BMMachine
    Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95795556&postcount=4304

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95802059&postcount=4308


    trolling or not trolling?


  • #38
    Liam McPoyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    The humour thread is mostly a bit of craic tbf and I can only see the most sensitive of souls getting offended by it.

    One wonders would people that get offended be as offended if for example a Coventry fan posted a pic taking the mick out of United or Liverpool as opposed to a United fan taking the mick out of LFC or vice versa, I would be fairly confident that the offence would be substantially less....


  • #39
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    BMMachine wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95795556&postcount=4304

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95802059&postcount=4308


    trolling or not trolling?

    Second one is pretty funny. Putting it in the LFC thread would be trolling.


  • #40
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    BMMachine wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95795556&postcount=4304

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95802059&postcount=4308


    trolling or not trolling?
    Humourous. Thicken your skin mate
    United got torn apart when Moyes was in charge. Its cyclical.


  • #41
    Liam McPoyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    BMMachine wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95795556&postcount=4304

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95802059&postcount=4308


    trolling or not trolling?

    If they were posted in the LFC super thread then yes, I would say it's trolling as that's where LFC fans congregate / post more and the pics have nothing to do with discussion of LFC.

    Context and placing is everything and in the main the mods handle it bang on IMO.


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  • #42
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    There's some funny stuff in there among the pettiness in fairness. It was all slung United's way last year and I laughed at a lot of it. They're just pics, gifs and jokes.

    If people get offended by the Humour thread,they mustn't get out much let alone ever go to a pub.Last season United got hammered in it,this season it's Liverpool-the merry go round keeps spinning.It's just craic.

    What I'd like to see clarified is the issue of phrases etc. which having been used widely in the forum suddenly being deemed offensive and cards being handed out without warning for using well worn terms.


  • #43
    Unearthly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,113 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Humour thread is great. The only thing I smiled about with the whole Moyes catastrophe was the funny gifs etc posted.

    People getting offended by it need to cop on


  • #44
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    I feel like the humour thread involves everyone going into it accepting that they have to have thicker skin.

    Individual club threads are a "safe space" and match threads should be neutral ground.

    So long as there's no genuinely awful stuff making light of tragedy, bringing in racism or whatever, it's probably not a big deal to have one dump valve for everyone to get their little jabs in.

    I'm sure it probably placates some of the trollier posters as well, where they can get their jollies without pissing everyone else off.


  • #45
    MagicIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    For the love of all that is good- do not change the Humour Thread rules. It's the one place where having a sly jab at another's expense is allowed, and it's savage craic!


  • #46
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,594 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The humour thread is a great containment space. Leave it as is.


  • #47
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Everything is grand


  • #48
    grumpymunster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭grumpymunster


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I have to say that I believe that the forum is being run better right now thas it ever has been in my time here. Credit to all the mods for that.

    Don't change anything right now is my opinion.

    would go along with that. Rare enough I leave the confines of the Chelsea thread but may do on the lead up to a match. You at least get the feeling now that other supporters coming into the Chelsea thread now are doing so for a conversation and not to see if they can get a yellow card generated.

    That is to be welcomed and the mods commended.


  • #49
    BMMachine
    Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    so yes, its okay to troll as long as its in the humour thread is what you are saying?

    and you should "thicken your skin" if you are being trolled there. Does the same "thicken your skin" rule apply to all the other threads as well? Why isn't that in the charter?
    One of the pics posted there is from YNFA - a website / hub with the purpose of trolling Liverpool fans. Yet its not trolling if posted on boards?
    unwritten rules and unclear definitions - "oh its ok to post that there but not here and here"


  • #50
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    MagicIRL wrote: »
    For the love of all that is good- do not change the Humour Thread rules. It's the one place where having a sly jab at another's expense is allowed, and it's savage craic!

    I'm off to post something in it.As was said before so long as there's no racism,laughing at tragedy etc. then leave it alone.
    We can all have a grumble over opposing fans laughing at our expense but anyone who gets offended needs to take a look at themselves.We laugh,get annoyed and move on to the next thing.


  • #51
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Tbh the forum works well as it is. Not any glaring errors or oversights. The moderation/charter interpretation consistency (or lack off) is unavoidable. Moderators are not a computer programme with definitive black and white yes and no answers for certain situations. Personal interpretation will become a part of it and that can lead to different opinions, that cant be stopped its natural. Similarly a poster with say 1000+ posts is going to be more likely to get away with a "dicier" comment that a debutant. Its familiarity they'd have and used to the other posters style. Its actually very well run forum tbf. Not power crazy mod police banning like mad crap that can sometimes happen. They give fair warning to cop the **** on. If ya dont ya get whats coming.
    Well done Gav.


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  • #52
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,594 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    BMMachine wrote: »
    so yes, its okay to troll as long as its in the humour thread is what you are saying?

    and you should "thicken your skin" if you are being trolled there. Does the same "thicken your skin" rule apply to all the other threads as well? Why isn't that in the charter?
    One of the pics posted there is from YNFA - a website / hub with the purpose of trolling Liverpool fans. Yet its not trolling if posted on boards?
    unwritten rules and unclear definitions - "oh its ok to post that there but not here and here"

    I have opened that thread a handful of times in the past due to it being referenced in the Liverpool discussion thread. It's moronic generally but if that's what people enjoy let them have at it. You can't be trolled if you never open it and therefore don't see anything posted in it!!


  • #53
    danrua01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭danrua01


    BMMachine wrote: »
    so yes, its okay to troll as long as its in the humour thread is what you are saying?

    and you should "thicken your skin" if you are being trolled there. Does the same "thicken your skin" rule apply to all the other threads as well? Why isn't that in the charter?
    One of the pics posted there is from YNFA - a website / hub with the purpose of trolling Liverpool fans. Yet its not trolling if posted on boards?
    unwritten rules and unclear definitions - "oh its ok to post that there but not here and here"

    I think everyone knows what the humour thread contains. Something happens in football, someone pokes fun at it. Noone's being targeted. If you take offense at a picture that's taking the piss out of a team you support, yes, you should "thicken your skin".

    It's within the context of a humour thread... With everything posted in there some people will find it humorous, and others won't.


  • #54
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    BMMachine wrote: »
    so yes, its okay to troll as long as its in the humour thread is what you are saying?

    Just a quick check; did you report those posts?

    Something I've come to realise over my last year here is that more often than not, people say "what about this post?" but don't ever report it. Mods aren't psychic, and we don't read every single post.

    One of those pictures was only just recently reported, and yeah, I'll be deleting it now in line with the rules laid out in thread. But a lot of the time, mods rely on reported posts so if posts aren't reported, they may not be on our radars quickly.


  • #55
    BMMachine
    Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    I have opened that thread a handful of times in the past due to it being referenced in the Liverpool discussion thread. It's moronic generally but if that's what people enjoy let them have at it. You can't be trolled if you never open it and therefore don't see anything posted in it!!

    fine and dandy, but its the anomaly where trolling is allowed and we are meant to just 'know' that?


  • #56
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    zerks wrote: »
    What I'd like to see clarified is the issue of phrases etc. which having been used widely in the forum suddenly being deemed offensive and cards being handed out without warning for using well worn terms.

    I know why you are saying this, and yeah, the situation was bizarre to say the least.

    It's pretty shítty of the mods to deem a particular phrase cardable one day, when there are demonstrable examples of that same phrase going unchecked in the very same thread on multiple previous occasions, in pretty much the exact same context.

    It makes it impossible for the CMod to arbitrate sensibly too, because while something may seem like it might deserve a card (and in such cases it's probably correct that the CMod come down on the side of the Mod), it's unfair on the poster in question to suddenly be carded for a phrase that his peers are using without sanction, especially if it leads to a ban.

    You get into the realm of mindreading, and telling a poster what they meant, when there's no actual way to know.

    For those who don't know, Zerks used a nickname for a player that people had been using on the forum for a number of months - and found himself carded for it. He went to DRP and the CMod sided with the Mods (fair enough imo), but he rightfully pointed out the multiple other instances of the nickname being used, and those instances receiving no sanctions.

    A better solution would have been to rescind the card, then make an announcement that from this point onwards that nickname will now not be tolerated - because up to that point it was being tolerated.

    I KNOW the charter pretty much says "no nicknames", but nicknames are used all the time, with no sanction.

    It sucks to be the one who uses the nickname at the time when the tide turns against it, with no prior warning, and find yourself trying to use the "Well he did it too" defense in DRP. Because it's a defense that never holds up, and rightfully so, but it's a pretty bad way of modding.

    "Yeah well, it's not ok now, even though it was ok last week and we are using you as an example".


  • #57
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    I know why you are saying this, and yeah, the situation was bizarre to say the least.

    It's pretty shítty of the mods to deem a particular phrase cardable one day, when there are demonstrable examples of that same phrase going unchecked in the very same thread on multiple previous occasions, in pretty much the exact same context.

    It makes it impossible for the CMod to arbitrate sensibly too, because while something may seem like it might deserve a card (and in such cases it's probably correct that the CMod come down on the side of the Mod), it's unfair on the poster in question to suddenly be carded for a phrase that his peers are were using without sanction, especially if it leads to a ban.

    You get into the realm of mindreading, and telling a poster what they meant, when there's no actual way to know.

    For those who don't know, Zerks used a nickname for a player that people had been using on the forum for a number of months - and found himself carded for it. He went to DRP and the CMod sided with the Mods (fair enough imo), but he rightfully pointed out the multiple other instances of the nickname being used, and those instances receiving no sanctions.

    A better solution would have been to rescind the card, then make an announcement that from this point onwards that nickname will now not be tolerated - because up to that point it was being tolerated.

    I KNOW the charter pretty much says "no nicknames", but nicknames are used all the time, with no sanction.

    It sucks to be the one who uses the nickname at the time when the tide turns against it, with no prior warning, and find yourself trying to use the "Well he did it too" defense in DRP. Because it's a defense that never holds up, and rightfully so, but it's a pretty bad way of modding.

    "Yeah well, it's not ok now, even though it was ok last week and we are using you as an example".
    FYP to reflect a more accurate recap of the situation.


  • #58
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,875 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    This rule from the charter should be enforced a lot better:
    Specific matches, major transfers and major news stories are not the purpose of superthreads. PLEASE keep this discussion to the Match Threads/Matchweek threads or discussion threads that are created. NO MATCH INCIDENT DISCUSSION WILL BE TOLERATED IN SUPERTHREADS.

    Despite the charter stating in capital letters that match incident discussion is not tolerated in Superthreads, I very regularly (and I mean weekly) see the discussion of goals, penalty decisions, red cards etc etc discussed in the Superthreads which are reserved for more general discussions.

    I would hope in 2015/16 that we see a lot more cards for posters ignoring this very obvious and basic rule, as my own feeling is that the Mods were lax on this in 2014/15 particularly when it regarded mentioning match incidents while a game was actually going on and while a match thread exists. But even if the match is over, this still should not be tolerated, we all agreed to abide by the charter so incidents should completely drop out of the Superthreads.


  • #59
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    BMMachine wrote: »
    so yes, its okay to troll as long as its in the humour thread is what you are saying?

    and you should "thicken your skin" if you are being trolled there. Does the same "thicken your skin" rule apply to all the other threads as well? Why isn't that in the charter?
    One of the pics posted there is from YNFA - a website / hub with the purpose of trolling Liverpool fans. Yet its not trolling if posted on boards?
    unwritten rules and unclear definitions - "oh its ok to post that there but not here and here"

    The humour thread has a fairly comprehensive mod note in the OP. Maybe the humour is just not for you? And please are you going to try to claim that no Manchester/Newcastle United fans were "trolled" (using your apparent very loose definition of the term) in that thread.
    Its not that unclear the rules.
    The humour thread is designed as a humour thread for ALL boardsies and can poke fun at ANY team. If you cannot accept your club being poked fun at then perhaps you should stay in one of the superthreads designated to your club. The superthreads are designed to house discussion for your team therefore they are less likely (unless you can poke fun at your own misfortune) to have people taking humour from current misfortunes as all fans would be suffering.


    Is that actually confusing?


  • #60
    brevity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭brevity


    BMMachine wrote: »
    fine and dandy, but its the anomaly where trolling is allowed and we are meant to just 'know' that?

    I've often thought of the soccer forum as a bit like a prison. There are different cliques and no one integrates. If someone makes a comment about your clique then you have to retaliate. If you see someone breaking the rules you keep quiet or you will get shivved in the showers.

    The humor thread is like the play ground, **** goes down but the screws mods allow it.


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  • #61
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    8-10 wrote: »
    This rule from the charter should be enforced a lot better:



    Despite the charter stating in capital letters that match incident discussion is not tolerated in Superthreads, I very regularly (and I mean weekly) see the discussion of goals, penalty decisions, red cards etc etc discussed in the Superthreads which are reserved for more general discussions.

    I would hope in 2015/16 that we see a lot more cards for posters ignoring this very obvious and basic rule, as my own feeling is that the Mods were lax on this in 2014/15 particularly when it regarded mentioning match incidents while a game was actually going on and while a match thread exists. But even if the match is over, this still should not be tolerated, we all agreed to abide by the charter so incidents should completely drop out of the Superthreads.

    That is the most ridiculous rule in the charter and it's rightly forgotten about. Some match threads are locked on the same day the match took place, you can't just stop the discussion completely.


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