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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread
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Sounds like a good call. Let us know how you get on. Calls like this will get you to the start of those signed-up races
Diagnosis was classic Runners Knee.
I'm to switch to bike or swimming/aqua jogging for my fitness training.
Also have an updated stretching regime - strength exercises to follow next week.
My quads were so tight I thought they were going to pop when he started wailing on them.
Might borrow a foam roller and discover the joys of that.0 -
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neilthefunkeone wrote: »Hi all,
Well im back for another go at DCM. I was involved in the thread last year and did the training but had a bit of a disaster of a day..
Got back on the training for Limerick Marathon last month but injured myself about 5 weeks out so didint do that.. So im back for Dublin.. I will be better, i will be better!!!!
What is your athletics background? Have you run before? What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
As mentioned above i have completed the DCM last year but the last few miles were walking and in pain! I have done races all distances up to Marathon. I have completed a number of long cycles or sportives and do indoor climbing once a week.
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
My races from last year.. none so far for 2015.
2014 Terenure 5 Mile - 39:41
2014 Irish Runner 5mile - 37:17
2014 Samsung 10k - 51:06
2014 Fingal 10k - 48:02
2014 Frank Duffy 10 mile - 1:21:55
2014 Dublin Half Marathon - 1:51:13
2014 Dublin Marathon - 4:55:54
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training ? (No problem if you do)
No.. I can complete up to 20 mile training runs without stopping.. Well i could 2 months ago!!!
How many days a week can you train?
4-5. Will miss the irish runner 5 mile race due to being on holidays.
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
To finish the marathon in one go!!
To not get injured before or during,
3:59:59 would be perfect!
I would like to bring my Race series 10mile and half marathon time down a small bit too.
What marathon programme are you following/intending to use?
I think ill go with the boards program again this year. i really enjoyed it last year. I may increase the milage a slight bit in some places but not much.
I need to look at nutrition this year.. Last year i was still out having pints and stuffing my face with pizza in the weeks leading up to the big day. So proper eating and solid training and hopefully this time will be a good one for me!!
Welcome back neilthefunkeone...third time lucky
what was the injury and what's the prognosis? You'll have a fair bit in the bank from DCM 2014 and the Limerick training to draw from but nevertheless, take it easy and build slowly. 0 -
Hi there slogging...it and welcome to the thread! Well done on the weight loss,I can see why you are drawn to Gerry Duffy's plan. There's no doubt about it, losing weight will help you to become a more efficient runner however there are other things that need to slot into place too.slogging...it wrote: »Right i've been putting this off, So here it goes
What is your athletics background? Have you run before? What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
I plaed Gaelic at all levels untill i destroyed my knee when i was 17 and that lead to a few years of half gym attempts but mainly a lot of drinking and smoking and when very little else. Thus ended up 16.5stone and only 5ft 9.5'' ha so not too good.
So done a bit of running 2 years ago but have ramped it up this year and getting the weekely milage up from jogging home from work
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Athlone flat-line 2,33xx Sept 2014
Dune Hm 2,22xx Feb 2015
Dundalk 10k 56:57
Newry HM 2,03xx
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training ? (No problem if you do)
No
How much training do you currently do incl cross training? Distances, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
At the mo im recovering from the Newry HM but in general abou 25/30 mi per week over 4/5 days, am starting yoga and do the odd 30/40 min cycle. Lsrs have ranged from 10mi to 13mi and not dropped unless im doing a taper.
How many days a week do you run only?
4/5
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
Dream finishing time is 3:35
Realisitic is 3:45/ sub 4hr
My times might seem unrealisti but i am basing them on how i would hope to progress when i shift at least another 1.5stone (14.5stone now) and the culimative effect of that and having recently kicked the fags.
I will also be looking at these time after the 10miler on the 26th July
and the Athlone flatline aswell.
What marathon programme are you following/intending to use?
I am looking between the Gerrry Duffy and the boards one.
Your dream target is not unobtainable, you are improving solidly however it's at the very upper limits of possibility.
The marathon and the training for it is like a big jigsaw puzzle and for you to reach your dream target, everything - I mean everything has to go right on the day and during the build up. Even if you lose weight, tick all the boxes for the schedule, sleep 8 hours a night, eat healthily and do the 30 day challenge three times
...With the best will in the world, you won't have a solid endurance base of at least two cycles behind you and this is where the chink in your armour is.
We like people to aim high on this forum, we really do but have a think about how you want to feel come 3pm marathon day. Ecstatic because you totally blew your modest target out of the water...or despondent and p$$d off because your actually quite decent novice marathon time didn't meet your high standard?0 -
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bucketybuck wrote: »The garmin says its 5k, Mapmyrun says its 5k, but ****ing Strava? Strava says its 4.999999999k.
A micron short.
Too bad. Must be more accurate in future. 0 -
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I REALLY wish my Garmin would give the best X km time during your run. That way you could just run over by, say, a 100m just to be sure and still get your best 10km time of the run.
Currently it only gives your X km time if it's a PB.
And I know that's not our focus these days 0 -
slogging...it wrote: »I will also be looking at these time after the 10miler on the 26th July
and the Athlone flatline aswell.
Hey slogging it, just pointing out in case it fecks up your plans, assuming you're talking about the race series 10 mile, that's on on August 22nd, and the one of July 26th is 10km. Your 10mile and half marathon races would therefore seem very close together with little recovery time after the 10 mile.
Just might be worth looking at again with those dates in mind 0 -
I REALLY wish my Garmin would give the best X km time during your run. That way you could just run over by, say, a 100m just to be sure and still get your best 10km time of the run.
Currently it only gives your X km time if it's a PB.
And I know that's not our focus these days
PB's can still be a goal, but in races you're doing along the way - just not your training runs you're going to told this again and again over the next few months, don't race your training runs and keep the easy runs easy. If I had a Euro for every time we were reminded of that, well I'd have more money than I do now 0 -
Welcome back neilthefunkeone...third time lucky what was the injury and what's the prognosis? You'll have a fair bit in the bank from DCM 2014 and the Limerick training to draw from but nevertheless, take it easy and build slowly.
Thanks very much... Third time lucky indeed! Injury was just a sprained ankle.. Went over on it playing football!! So by the time it was right again id lost too many weeks.0 -
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I played football in work some days but when I took up the running, I just gave it up. The amount of times I did the same, going over on my ankle, was not in line with doing a half, let alone a full!
+1, laura_ac3 has had her share of football related twists too. Football may need to take a backseat if you are going to prioritise marathon training 0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Hey slogging it, just pointing out in case it fecks up your plans, assuming you're talking about the race series 10 mile, that's on on August 22nd, and the one of July 26th is 10km. Your 10mile and half marathon races would therefore seem very close together with little recovery time after the 10 mile.
Just might be worth looking at again with those dates in mind
I think he'll scrape an ok, he has two weeks and if he tweaks the recovery after the 10mi and takes the lsr in between very easily, he should be ok. But it will be a tough enough couple of weeks so early bed etc 0 -
PB's can still be a goal, but in races you're doing along the way - just not your training runs you're going to told this again and again over the next few months, don't race your training runs and keep the easy runs easy. If I had a Euro for every time we were reminded of that, well I'd have more money than I do now
Laura, I think you're onto something there. Novices, you have to pay us €1 (each ) for every time we have to tell you to STOP racing in training
If you're a beginner and improving on a weekly basis, it's very tempting to map your progress by improved times in training. But you're not beginners here, you're runners and runners don't do that
Save the racing for races and the PBs will come thick and fast.0 -
I think he'll scrape an ok, he has two weeks and if he tweaks the recovery after the 10mi and takes the lsr in between very easily, he should be ok. But it will be a tough enough couple of weeks so early bed etc
Oh Yeh but I was more pointing out that the 10 mile was in August, not July as he thought so it needs to be factored in.0 -
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Hi there slogging...it and welcome to the thread! Well done on the weight loss,I can see why you are drawn to Gerry Duffy's plan. There's no doubt about it, losing weight will help you to become a more efficient runner however there are other things that need to slot into place too.
Your dream target is not unobtainable, you are improving solidly however it's at the very upper limits of possibility.
The marathon and the training for it is like a big jigsaw puzzle and for you to reach your dream target, everything - I mean everything has to go right on the day and during the build up. Even if you lose weight, tick all the boxes for the schedule, sleep 8 hours a night, eat healthily and do the 30 day challenge three times...With the best will in the world, you won't have a solid endurance base of at least two cycles behind you and this is where the chink in your armour is.
We like people to aim high on this forum, we really do but have a think about how you want to feel come 3pm marathon day. Ecstatic because you totally blew your modest target out of the water...or despondent and p$$d off because your actually quite decent novice marathon time didn't meet your high standard?
oh i get what ya mean take it handy and finishw ith the feeling i could have done a bit more help push ya on for the next time?? Just one question is there like a milage spreadsheet going up as my attempt at a training log was pretty pathetic ha0 -
I think he'll scrape an ok, he has two weeks and if he tweaks the recovery after the 10mi and takes the lsr in between very easily, he should be ok. But it will be a tough enough couple of weeks so early bed etc
Haha yer ok the 10miler is a local one i live in monaghan so the race series is kind of not an option for me!!0 -
+1, laura_ac3 has had her share of football related twists too. Football may need to take a backseat if you are going to prioritise marathon training
Are my ears blushing?? Yes. Absolutely be careful with the football. It's not the best cross training due to the injury risk etc. I kept it up until August and then gave up after that until post marathon. But if you're prone to injuries from it you should think about giving it up sooner. Easier to give advice than follow it yourself I know 0 -
slogging...it wrote: »oh i get what ya mean take it handy and finishw ith the feeling i could have done a bit more help push ya on for the next time?? Just one question is there like a milage spreadsheet going up as my attempt at a training log was pretty pathetic ha
Going up this weekend Why not start a log here too? 0 -
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Laura, I think you're onto something there. Novices, you have to pay us €1 (each ) for every time we have to tell you to STOP racing in training
If you're a beginner and improving on a weekly basis, it's very tempting to map your progress by improved times in training. But you're not beginners here, you're runners and runners don't do that
Save the racing for races and the PBs will come thick and fast.
I'm doing it now! I was always aiming to do my 5k route in about 27-28 mins, my pb for a 5k is about 26. I'm done my last few 5k routes at a pace of 6:20 or so per km, and I could probably go a bit slower. I definitely feel very comfortable at the 6:20 pace though.0
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