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  • #9002
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Mr.S wrote: »
    what time are results expected?

    Yesequalitycork reckon they will have a tally by 11 am.

    Around lunch time should have a good idea of how its going. Hard to predict a time for final results as there could be recounts but I would expect early afternoon.


  • #9003
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Who won?


  • #9004
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    I think empathy is the biggest part, I don't think the vast majority of no voters would be homophobic. My parents would be the exact type that would be soft yes voters and may have been swayed to the no side arguments re: children had they not known I was gay.

    It's very easy to dehumanise gay people when they are some distant group which you don't have any connection to. Since you don't know them, all you have to judge them by is that one common trait that you do know, which is their orientation. And because that orientation differs from the norm you get a bit defensive and don't like it. But when my parents (for example) look at me, they don't see a gay son. They see the kid they raised who constantly had is head in books, someone whose worked hard through school and college and is generally a good person who hasn't got into trouble. So they see the whole person, and the whole person in front of them is more than fit to be a parent.
    I'll be a good parent because I'll raise my child the exact same way they raised me.

    What time are they handing out the kids?


  • #9005
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    mrsoundie wrote: »
    Or man and woman, you never know?
    No no, if this referendum passes, a man and a woman will never be allowed to marry again, and arranged marriages to gay men will be compulsory for all boys, and they'll only be able to adopt girls so that they can pick up their femininity but the girls will become lesbians.


  • #9006
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,345 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    How long will it be before Dolly Parton's D.I.V.O.R.C.E is played in the gay bars :)

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • #9007
    mylefttesticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭mylefttesticle


    JamboMac wrote: »
    If it was as clearly black and white to me I would have easily votedhttp://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057426700 yes but I could so many grey areas that I couldn't vote so didn't.

    If you think it was just clearly black and white fine. But for every action their is an equal or opposite reaction.

    Nothing is ever truly black and white.


    All the impartial advice is out there and you could have easily made an informed opinion that would lead you to choose which way to vote but instead you stand behind some vague comments that by the sounds of it you half heartily believe.

    The biggest disappointment is not that you chose not to vote but that you cant even give a proper explanation to why you didn't.

    The most bizarre thing about the NO vote is that not one person could answer convincingly why it is wrong and i have heard, Barristers, journalist and well educated people in general put arguments across that where at best vague and at worst just damn silly.

    It seems to me that a lot of people are not ready for same sex marriage and that's why they voted No or are struggling with it and it would be great if they could be honest about that as that is something i can understand and that is something that can be debated with reasonable empathy but when people are not honest and feel threatened then they roll our the fear mongering and they roll out lies and the purposely placed misconceptions and they try and damage the other side by any means possible and of course this leads to confrontation and retaliation and this why some of the both sides end up not being the most gracious but then again if you are being attacked constantly then sooner or later you lie down and accept death or you fight back.


  • #9008
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    mhge wrote: »
    I don't think a Bible would sway anyone's vote to No; it might actually remind of the reign of the Church as it used to be. But if they were on such blatant display as reported (Broadsheet had some examples of Bibles placed on each table under ballot papers) it might point to a biased polling clerk in attendance a la that Galway woman who had to be removed.

    I think Bibles are there so if someone forgets ID, they swear on the Bible that they are who they say they are...


  • #9009
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Zen65 wrote: »

    Yes, they are works of fiction, but they are also reminders of the oppression that has been brought to bear on our country through the undue power exerted by the RCC here.
    Exactly, which is a good thing imo while they still have even a shred of power left over this country.
    mhge wrote: »
    I don't think a Bible would sway anyone's vote to No; it might actually remind of the reign of the Church as it used to be.
    Agreed. Let them destroy themselves.


  • #9010
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    sup_dude wrote: »
    I think Bibles are there so if someone forgets ID, they swear on the Bible that they are who they say they are...

    I know that; they get one though so a copy on each table under the paper means someone is quite overzealous at their work.


  • #9011
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    I can only speak for myself. For me the no campaign was always background noise, their argument want going to gain traction with me. I wanted to like the yes campaign, but the condescending attitude towards the old and the rural did piss me off. As an example It's as if we all assumed granny from the hills was a bigoted biddy and they had to show us this wasn't the case. They implied that we all thought like that and has to be brought around like granny. It was a bit offensive tbh.

    But surely the No campaign needed to be looked to see what the Yes side were talking about and also to compare?

    I don't think that was the point. I think the point was to encourage the older generation (the ones least likely to vote Yes, and the most likely to vote) to vote Yes and to show those who were hesitant in asking that it can be done.


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  • #9012
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    I'm just going to say it: if you voted no, your reason was homophobic. Not one single no argument wasn't rooted in homophobia. No exceptions.

    That's like something somebody would say after a few drinks, "Yez is all homophobes, da lot of ye, no exceptions, the hole lot of ye are rotten homosexual haters" and make no mistake!


  • #9013
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    mhge wrote: »
    I don't think a Bible would sway anyone's vote to No; it might actually remind of the reign of the Church as it used to be. But if they were on such blatant display as reported (Broadsheet had some examples of Bibles placed on each table under ballot papers) it might point to a biased polling clerk in attendance a la that Galway woman who had to be removed.

    I asked the polling clerk to remove the Bible from the prominent position next to the ballot papers and put it in the drawer with the Civil oath sheet.

    He did and took it out again as soon as I left - I saw him through the window.

    Son had already complained about it earlier in the day.

    Given that the RCC was calling for a No vote, having a Bible in a prominent position could be construed as 'campaigning' and Polling Stations are meant to be neutral.


  • #9014
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    galljga1 wrote: »
    What time are they handing out the kids?

    Think you've to put your preference in whether you want child via surrogacy, adoption or confiscation from a god-fearing heterosexual couple.


  • #9015
    darced
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    This post has been deleted.


  • #9016
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    How long will it be before Dolly Parton's D.I.V.O.R.C.E is played in the gay bars :)

    minus 20 years.


  • #9017
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Hermy wrote: »
    Voting in referendums can actually be quite straighforward for the don't knows or the undecided. If you vote No nothing changes.

    thats not strictly true. It depends on the % difference and the reason for No.


  • #9018
    Zen65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    I think there were people, particularly older generations, who voted no because of a staunch belief in what marriage is and should always be.

    This is true.

    However, as I have posted somewhere else before, this is simply second-hand homophobia, in the sense that the "tradition" which frames their view was itself a result of the majority's disdain for gay and lesbian practices. Not everybody who displays homophobic thinking actually has anti-LGBT sentiments. In effect they simply cling to the indoctrination of their youth.

    And I've admitted here before that I can see my own homophobic inclinations, even as a committed YES voter. I am aware that I get a sense of unease if I am sharing a train carriage, or a restaurant, or a hotel bar, with a gay couple who are exhibiting public displays of affection towards each other. I tend to look away, to wish that maybe they could reserve "that sort of thing" for the privacy of their own homes or hotel rooms. I am well aware that such feelings are wrong on my part, but I am conditioned to feel them. I do not however blame the couple for my discomfort - the problem in that regard lies entirely with me.

    As an important part of our community I wish my LGBT brothers and sisters the very best, and I hope to celebrate with them tomorrow when Ireland finally declares a new dawn of tolerance and inclusion.


  • #9019
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,345 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    K4t wrote: »
    Exactly, which is a good thing imo while they still have even a shred of power left over this country.

    Agreed. Let them destroy themselves.

    The church no side could have ended up making people vote yes if that makes sense!?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #9020
    BlitzKrieg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    I flew home from 6am Rik 3pm to vote today in thurles and my mother was clever/cautious enough not to have us go through the town centre on the way to the polling station as it seems just for today mothers and fathers rented a big tv screen on the back of a truck playing animated posters over and over...

    Only saw after we voted and went back down town for dinner in the evening.


  • #9021
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    What, a bit like "hate the sin, not the sinner"?


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  • #9022
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,896 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
    I flew home from 6am Rik 3pm to vote today in thurles and my mother was clever/cautious enough not to have us go through the town centre on the way to the polling station as it seems just for today mothers and fathers rented a big tv screen on the back of a truck playing animated posters over and over...

    Only saw after we voted and went back down town for dinner in the evening.

    Never heard of them doing anything like this elsewhere? Was never going to be won or lost in Thurles so why didn't they do this in the cities? I don't think they'd get away with it tbh.


  • #9023
    Knasher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    Zen65 wrote: »
    a gay couple who are exhibiting public displays of affection towards each other. I tend to look away, to wish that maybe they could reserve "that sort of thing" for the privacy of their own homes or hotel rooms.

    I kinda hope you look away when straight people are doing it too. Cause that is a little creepy otherwise.


  • #9024
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    LordSutch wrote: »
    That's like something somebody would say after a few drinks, "Yez is all homophobes, da lot of ye, no exceptions, the hole lot of ye are rotten homosexual haters" and make no mistake!
    Except it's not. The No side's arguments (perpetuated by Iona, MAFM and the Church) stemmed from homophobia (well hidden admittedly), and these arguments caused enough confusion and raised enough doubt in people's minds that they voted no; Not because they themselves are homophobic, but because the arguments they believed might be true were covers for homophobia. It's quite simple to understand really.


  • #9025
    SummerSummit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭SummerSummit


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I asked the polling clerk to remove the Bible from the prominent position next to the ballot papers and put it in the drawer with the Civil oath sheet.

    He did and took it out again as soon as I left - I saw him through the window.

    Son had already complained about it earlier in the day.

    Given that the RCC was calling for a No vote, having a Bible in a prominent position could be construed as 'campaigning' and Polling Stations are meant to be neutral.

    There was a bible on the polling clerk's table in my voting station. Thought it was inappropriate.


  • #9026
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    It's over. All that's left is for all those sheets of democracy to be spread over the tables in each counting centre in Ireland and to be counted. I am extremely proud to have been a part of a momentous occasion and hopefully, at around 6pm tomorrow, we see that Ireland has not only passed same-sex marriage in one of the biggest ever turn-outs for a referendum, but that it has passed it by a massive margin. This is going to go down as one of the biggest days in Irish history, whatever way it goes


  • #9027
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    LordSutch wrote: »
    That's like something somebody would say after a few drinks, "Yez is all homophobes, da lot of ye, no exceptions, the hole lot of ye are rotten homosexual haters" and make no mistake!

    Eh, no.
    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    No, it's not. I've met some incredibly homophobic people over the last few weeks who have called me every name under the sun and told me I was going to burn in hell for "promoting homosexuality".

    I've also met no voters who had been confused about the issue they were voting on - because they had been given homophobic reasons to vote no.

    "Two men can't possibly love a child properly!"
    "Every woman in Ireland will be turned into a baby making factory for the gays!"
    "Gay people are totally happy and equal with civil partnership, just equal over there. Separate from us. Keep them away from us."

    Some could be swayed to see that those issues weren't relevant. Some couldn't. Again, I don't think a person voting no makes them a raging homophobe. Most started their explanation for their no vote with "I have gay friends, but..." That doesn't mean their reason for voting no wasn't homophobic. Because it definitely was.

    If I wanted to call all no voters homophobic, I would just do that, thanks.


  • #9028
    JamboMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭JamboMac


    mylefttesticle wrote: »
    All the impartial advice is out there and you could have easily made an informed opinion that would lead you to choose which way to vote but instead you stand behind some vague comments that by the sounds of it you half heartily believe.

    The biggest disappointment is not that you chose not to vote but that you cant even give a proper explanation to why you didn't.

    The most bizarre thing about the NO vote is that not one person could answer convincingly why it is wrong and i have heard, Barristers, journalist and well educated people in general put arguments across that where at best vague and at worst just damn silly.

    It seems to me that a lot of people are not ready for same sex marriage and that's why they voted No or are struggling with it and it would be great if they could be honest about that as that is something i can understand and that is something that can be debated with reasonable empathy but when people are not honest and feel threatened then they roll our the fear mongering and they roll out lies and the purposely placed misconceptions and they try and damage the other side by any means possible and of course this leads to confrontation and retaliation and this why some of the both sides end up not being the most gracious but then again if you are being attacked constantly then sooner or later you lie down and accept death or you fight back.

    But do you think either the staunchly yes or no voters read any of what was going to be changed. To me their seemed like a massive band wagon for the yes and everybody seemed to on it and if anybody who voted no from the voice of this thread they'll be crucified.

    For its of homophobic nature why they voted no.

    If you are staunchly yes or no voter the bigger picture is always not seen and maybe those of us who didn't vote ultimately didn't believe either side was right and if this had have been done a little different then more would have voted yes.

    The reality is the majority over 60 more then likely voted no and they are the usual voters.
    Let's say the majority of 18-30 year olds voted yes. Your swing vote will be the people in the middle.

    As I said if it's a yes fair play, if it's a no, in 3 or 4 years it will be voted on again.


  • #9029
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    All this "there could be consequences and represcussions, even negative impacts that we don't know about yet since none of the other countries to introduce gay marriage yet have had them" comments are puzzling.

    Surely then, by that logic, we should always vote to keep everything the same forever and ever, and indeed should have not introduced any changes ever either.


  • #9030
    Alt J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Alt J


    It feels good too be alive for one of our most historical days since becoming a republic, while this not anyways related to the 1916 rising and alike I have been overcome with a big since of pride today that men and women gave their lives so that we could have our own country, make our own decisions about things like this.

    Equal Ireland, let today be the day we showed the world the meaning of love and equality.


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  • #9031
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Anybody spoil their vote?


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