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Cold War Kid · 22-05-2015 09:44PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Even though I'd not agree with much of what you're saying FB, I do say fair play for running agin the herd. I generally have far more respect for those who change positions because they thought about it rather than those who just go with the flow with whatever the groupthink tide reckons, regardless of the position of said groupthink. If this was 40 years ago the result would be very different, even though the same basic people would be in the mix*.

The Mob(™) is easily influenced for both good and ill and happy to regurgitate verbatim whichever side is influencing them. And of course both claim the objective high ground and authority.

Then again, by nature I'm an iconoclast, so I would think like that.

Oh I voted yes BTW, lest any of the Rainbow Warriors on their ArseBook page types take umbrage. Taking all info into consideration it seemed the logical choice. Mainly because there are already gay folks in marriages in all but name out there, so why deny them the legal protection everyone else has? Plus the sky ain't gonna fall down if they get them.

*There is for me a large element in Ireland of any chance to "stick it to the Catholic Church" by proxy and as a guilt driven retrospective thing going on. The transition from a majority of god botherers and craw thumpers to a majority "meh" state was an incredibly quick one. Less than a decade. Not quite enough to decompress so we can suffer from the odd attack of the cultural bends. There can be an echo of guilt at how we went along with that guff so easily and for so long and sometimes we're all too eager to prove our New Ireland credentials.

Why refer to yes voters as "the herd" and "going with the flow"? Maybe they're all thinking the same way as you were thinking when you voted yes.
It's not 40 years ago, so I don't see the point in mentioning it. The mix certainly is not the same.

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 09:45PM

aloyisious wrote: »

A member of our confraternity (lol) had a leaflet from them with him at our meet on Wed. They were down by the Spire on O'Connell St. They're based in Swords.

Why are they dressed in outfits that say "I'm conservative (the suit), but also more than a little insane (the superhero cape), and also, BAGPIPES!"

That's mad, Ted.

Vivisectus · 22-05-2015 09:46PM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Go easy. They made their point reasonably, even if you don't agree. Your reaction is giving the more lunatic fringe of the "no" campaign a stick to beat yes voters with.

I wish they did make their point reasonably. But the problem is that they regurgitated blatant misinformation put out there to help people rationalize a sort of lazy, low-grade aversion to a group of people who already get a pretty **** deal in this country.

The no-voters are going to whine anyway. No amount of appeasement is going to make that go away, because it is not a reasonable complaint: it is merely a way of trying to get away with excluding a group of people without being called on it.

I have more respect for out-right religious nutters like that northern irish lady than for this half-arsed "I'm no homophobe but" bullcrap.

foozzybear61 · 22-05-2015 09:46PM

sup_dude wrote: »

But your vote will not change it in any shape or form. You did not have a say in adoption, you never have and you most likely never will. Voting No did not change this fact.

So its better to shut up and back the majority opinion than to question the idea. ?
Didn't that get this country into problems before or have we all forgotten already.

Ave Sodalis · 22-05-2015 09:48PM

foozzybear61 wrote: »

So its better to shut up and back the majority opinion than to question the idea. ?
Didn't that get this country into problems before or have we all forgotten already.

I never said that nor implied that and I genuinely have no idea where you got that from my post.

ebbsy · 22-05-2015 09:49PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Just back from the polling booth with 50 other family members and guess what we all voted NO. Not only that but 20 cousins flew home to Vote from Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Palestine & South Sudan and guess what?.... All voted NO too. That's 70 NO Votes. Can you believe it? We all feel so liberated.

Must have been one big container.

mackerski · 22-05-2015 09:49PM

foozzybear61 wrote: »

No I haven't been miss informed neither have I wasted my Vote

I have expressed my voice to register my concerns, Nobody gave me the option to have a say on the adoption rights issue ?( if they did and I missed that opportunity then slap my hand)..
I didn't get a say in the civil partnership bill. which I am in favour of by the way...again adults can make their own decisions.
Will you support further "enforcement " of equal rights should they arise or will you be selective /

I hope you also voted No to the presidential age change, to express your concerns about the hole in the ozone layer and the design of the new Man United away strip. After all, nobody consulted you about those either...

Bannasidhe · 22-05-2015 09:53PM

Anita Blow wrote: »

I mean seriously. If we're going to outlaw anything it should be looking that good
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFn9qzgWAAE04mP.jpg

He went to school with my nephew.

That school there where they are voting in fact.

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 09:53PM

foozzybear61 wrote: »

for the record I voted No.

I find myself feeling unexpectedly warm feelings towards you. You helped the bigots and the homophobes and the Bishops and Iona and John Waters and Keith Mills, and a few hours ago I would have been very cross with you, but you lost, a humiliating, crushing defeat for all of the above, including your good self.

And so, I feel nothing but a kind of pitying affection for you.

Bless.

lizzyman · 22-05-2015 09:55PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Just back from the polling booth with 50 other family members and guess what we all voted NO. Not only that but 20 cousins flew home to Vote from Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Palestine & South Sudan and guess what?.... All voted NO too. That's 70 NO Votes. Can you believe it? We all feel so liberated.

All well known for being bastions of democracy, forward thinking, liberal values and universal human rights.

Wait...

The Backwards Man · 22-05-2015 09:55PM

I exercised my right to vote on the amendments to the constitution, not to spite anybody else or to follow a herd.

/edgy

YurOK2 · 22-05-2015 09:56PM

Am I right in thinking it'll be around midday tomorrow before we have an idea of what way it's going to go?

Virgil° · 22-05-2015 09:58PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The Mob(™) is easily influenced for both good and ill and happy to regurgitate verbatim whichever side is influencing them. And of course both claim the objective high ground and authority.

Then again, by nature I'm an iconoclast, so I would think like that.

Oh I voted yes BTW, lest any of the Rainbow Warriors on their ArseBook page types take umbrage. Taking all info into consideration it seemed the logical choice. Mainly because there are already gay folks in marriages in all but name out there, so why deny them the legal protection everyone else has? Plus the sky ain't gonna fall down if they get them.

Well look man, at least you've managed to rise above all of it. That there is a result in itself. Cool guy.

foozzybear61 · 22-05-2015 09:59PM

mackerski wrote: »

I hope you also voted No to the presidential age change, to express your concerns about the hole in the ozone layer and the design of the new Man United away strip. After all, nobody consulted you about those either...

If you bother to read my first posting in this thread you will see that I voted yes in the second referendum. But again doing that would require you putting your brain in motion before you opened your mouth or banged away on a keyboard :eek:
United can do what they like I wont be buying their tat. I will ask the polar bears for more info before I comment on global warming

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 09:59PM

YurOK2 wrote: »

Am I right in thinking it'll be around midday tomorrow before we have an idea of what way it's going to go?

I know how it went already.

But if you mean an official result, then 6 pm tomorrow is more like it.

nathang20 · 22-05-2015 10:00PM

Times up, people! what is your decision!

fr336 · 22-05-2015 10:00PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I know how it went already.

But if you mean an official result, then 6 pm tomorrow is more like it.

Please elaborate?

Cold War Kid · 22-05-2015 10:00PM

Virgil° wrote: »

Well look man, at least you've managed to rise above all of it. That there is a result in itself. Cool guy.

Yeah, bang of "Atheists are as bad as religious fundamentalists" from the "Oh I'm voting yes but a lot of the yes side are disgraceful bullies" (yet no mention of the vitriol from the no side) stuff.
Reverse right-on-ness can be as insufferable as right-on-ness.

Ave Sodalis · 22-05-2015 10:00PM

foozzybear61 wrote: »

If you bother to read my first posting in this thread you will see that I voted yes in the second referendum. But again doing that would require you putting your brain in motion before you opened your mouth or banged away on a keyboard :eek:
United can do what they like I wont be buying their tat. I will ask the polar bears for more info before I comment on global warming

With respect, I think you need to read the posts you're replying to.

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 10:00PM

nathang20 wrote: »

Times up, people! what is your decision!

65-35 Yes.

tonycascarino · 22-05-2015 10:02PM

100-0 For the NO Vote

mackerski · 22-05-2015 10:03PM

foozzybear61 wrote: »

If you bother to read my first posting in this thread you will see that I voted yes in the second referendum. But again doing that would require you putting your brain in motion before you opened your mouth or banged away on a keyboard :eek:

Well I'm a bit mentally drained today, having gone to the trouble of reading the questions on the ballot paper and matching my vote to my opinions on specifically those things and not other unrelated things I happen to disapprove of. I believe that the democracy my vote will influence deserves this much effort. It appears that you do not.

Won't happen again.

K4t · 22-05-2015 10:03PM

RobertKK wrote: »

But that is you putting your spin on my post, which is not what I said.

No Robert, the referendum is on marriage equality as I'm sure you read on the ballot paper. The only people who put a (negative) spin on that were the No side. All done now. I hope you enjoy (or suffer) a same sex wedding some day.

captbarnacles wrote: »

Yes vote now 1/25 on Paddypower. C'mon!

What are the odds on Paddy Manning marrying Keith Mills if this passes?

Vivisectus · 22-05-2015 10:03PM

foozybear61 wrote:

I also believe that there will be knock on effects from a yes vote ,as there have been in all the referendums that try to regulate the way societies live their lives..I wasn't convinced that childrens rights were best served by a change from a system that has been accepted from the beginning of time
Yes there is bad parenting and good parenting regardless of the genders involved, I just believe that they should have the opportunity of male/female upbringing. I do know familes where this wasn't possible , but none where this was the ideal at the outset , and who would have liked it to have been different .

We do not currently discriminate against gay people where adoption is concerned. And it is actually pretty fecking despicable to deny a whole group of people a right that everyone else considers a basic one on the basis that it would make it hard to discriminate against them later.

As for vague and undefined "knock on effects" in the future, did you check on other countries who have gay marriage? The Netherlands started it ten years ago. Turns out, the Dutch are really happy with it too. 85% are in favor of it after a 10 year test drive.

If you are going to vote in favor of denying people rights they ask for, at least do it for a roper reason, not this kind of lazy, uninformed regurgitated waffle.

fr336 · 22-05-2015 10:04PM

Donnybrook turnout 80%

Frank Bullitt · 22-05-2015 10:04PM

From a friends Facebook

So let me get this straight... If both referenda return a yes, then we could conceivably have a 21 yr old transgender president with 15 adopted children from surrogate lesbian mothers, who throws outrageous raves in the Aras at the weekends.

joseph brand · 22-05-2015 10:04PM

folamh wrote: »

The Telegraph reports:

"Yesterday, a pro-homosexual campaigner grabbed our camera and broke it in half, and on another occasion my colleague got spat at."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/11622932/Irish-gay-marriage-vote-Its-us-who-now-face-intolerance-say-No-campaigners.html

During his stint in O'Connell Street on Thursday, Mr McKay said he and his colleagues were getting abuse "every five or so minutes". While he spoke to the Telegraph, one passer-by who came up and asked for a dozen leaflets "to give to my friends" turned out to be a "Yes" supporter who was simply trying to empty them of their stock.

Yes!!

Now that's genius.

FouxDaFaFa · 22-05-2015 10:04PM

Anita Blow wrote: »

Reading on twitter a No campaigner working in a polling station in Galway had to be removed as she was preventing people from voting. Absolute disgrace.

Reading the details of this on twitter is pretty surprising, I thought it must be exaggerated at first.

If it happened as described, a prominent No campaigner working as an electoral official recognised a person she had argued with on the street as a Yes voter and tried to deny them the right to vote, she should face serious legal consequences.

pmasterson95 · 22-05-2015 10:08PM

traprunner wrote: »

Makes me wonder about some of the counters. Hopefully there are plenty of Tally-people from the Yes side.

Thats very democratic hoping for a bias count.

homerjay2005 · 22-05-2015 10:09PM

any exit polls available yet?

i reckon its 58% yes.

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