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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #8342
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    They start counting about 9 a.m. I think, result expected in the evening - 5-6 p.m. maybe.

    Many thanks :)


  • #8343
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,744 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Adamantium wrote: »
    Isn't it unfair to Priests and Christians who don't agree with gay marriage, to allow gay marriage?

    1) Is it unfair to non-Christians to force them to follow Christian rules?

    2) For the umpteenth time; no-one will be forcing priests to perform SSM. This referendum is a civil matter, not a religious one.


  • #8344
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    traprunner wrote: »
    Does anyone else find this post weirdly ironic? pmasterson95 complains about labelling of people and then labels the Yes side 'hypocrites'.

    oh yeah. Hear it all the time about people who are just voting yes to be cool and part of the group think are labeling people.


  • #8345
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    If someone is asked for a poll what way they're voting, and they lie, they're a liar. And most likely a bigot as there has not been one non-bigoted reason for voting No put forward so far.

    Why would someone lie? For a quiet life? Then they're a coward and a hypocrite. If you want to vote No, by all means do so, but at least have the courage of your convictions!
    Theres been reasons provided but you lovely equality crusaders just label the reasons bigoted and person a bigot. Once the word no is seen they just get the label irregardless of what is said.


  • #8346
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    If someone is asked in a poll what way they're voting, and they lie, they're a liar. And most likely a bigot as there has not been one non-bigoted reason for voting No put forward so far.

    Why would someone lie? For a quiet life? Then they're a coward and a hypocrite. If you want to vote No, by all means do so, but at least have the courage of your convictions!

    It's a secret ballot. Not everyone wants to share their voting intentions in public.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • #8347
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    oh yeah. Hear it all the time about people who are just voting yes to be cool and part of the group think are labeling people.

    Shut up ya hypocrite!:p


  • #8348
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    traprunner wrote: »
    Does anyone else find this post weirdly ironic? pmasterson95 complains about labelling of people and then labels the Yes side 'hypocrites'.

    Its as funny as those preaching equality before going and discriminating!


  • #8349
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    I was alone in the polling station but as I leaving a cranky/angry/impatient looking man came in. Immediately I jumped to the conclusion that he was a No voter! :)

    One of my mates, who happens to be gay, was wearing his Yes Equality badge earlier when he noticed an aul wan cop it at the bus stop. He was mentally preparing to defend himself when she told him she would be voting Yes and had persuaded all her mates to as well!

    Lesson being, you can't tell based on appearance! :D


  • #8350
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Theres been reasons provided but you lovely equality crusaders just label the reasons bigoted and person a bigot. Once the word no is seen they just get the label irregardless of what is said.

    We are all still awaiting that one killer valid argument from the No side. Do you have it?


  • #8351
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    It's a secret ballot. Not everyone wants to share their voting intentions in public.

    Then surely they should decline to answer entirely, rather than lie?


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  • #8352
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Its as funny as those preaching equality before going and discriminating!

    Funny that people voting for discrimination pretend they care.


  • #8353
    swampgas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭swampgas


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Yeah not hypocritical to be saying that. Sure it wouldnt be in the spirit of equality if the yes side were to label those different to them as bigots. Sure dont they say everyone is the same and equal?

    If any side can be called hypocrites its the yes. What with there constant labelling of people.

    Defensive much?

    What has been labelled as bigoted is some of the reasons people have given for voting No. Unfortunately discovering that you are harbouring what appear to be some unpleasant prejudices can be jarring for people, and not everyone is willing to look at the facts and change their opinion.

    To be fair, it really is bigotted to maintain a prejudice against the known facts.

    So if you still think being gay is abnormal, or that gay people are automatically inferior parents, or that gay men are automatically paedophiles, then expect to be called out on your prejudice.


  • #8354
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Its as funny as those preaching equality before going and discriminating!

    Do you believe there's "equality" between evolution and young Earth creationism?

    I've just heard that the turnout has passed 25% now. What was the percentage at this point during the last referendum?


  • #8355
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Its as funny as those preaching equality before going and discriminating!

    :confused:

    What discrimination are you facing now?


  • #8356
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,783 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    I'd love to work at the polling stations I'd say it's good money but god himself would not get u the job lol. It's seems to be the same faces the whole time


  • #8357
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,355 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    Then surely they should decline to answer entirely, rather than lie?

    Why? They can do as they please.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #8358
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Theres been reasons provided but you lovely equality crusaders just label the reasons bigoted and person a bigot. Once the word no is seen they just get the label irregardless of what is said.

    There hasn't been a reason provided which isn't either entirely unrelated to what is actually being voted on e.g. surrogacy, think of the children, a child deserves a mother and a father etc. - all entirely unrelated or completely dishonest or specious.

    Alternatively you have an argument from tradition 'it's always been this way so it should always stay that way', or people who have to take their morals from the Catholic Church of all places, the facilitators of child abuse.

    Iona et al don't give two ****s about children's rights, except where they try to use them to argue against the next social reform which is going to reduce the corrosive influence of the Catholic Church in this country.


  • #8359
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    PopePalpatine wrote: »

    I've just heard that the turnout has passed 25% now. What was the percentage at this point during the last referendum?

    I don't know, but that's high considering the after work/after dinner voter surge. I'll be delighted if it goes north of 65%.


  • #8360
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    I don't know, but that's high considering the after work/after dinner voter surge. I'll be delighted if it goes north of 65%.
    Peak time is between 5 and 8 pm. Usually between a 3rd and half of all votes are cast between there so it should be at least 65%


  • #8361
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Your example would make sense if anyone was advocating making you have less rights because of your bigoted views. Funnily, I haven't seen anyone suggesting that.

    I can run with that one.


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  • #8362
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Why? They can do as they please.

    True, but if you were asked a personal question and faced with a choice of either lying, or not answering, why would you not just decline to answer? It would involve less lying.


  • #8363
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    when will we know results?


  • #8364
    murphm45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭murphm45


    Just out of curiosity have people actually read the constitution (or the specific boy that relates to this issue)? If you have you'll see there's no definition of marriage there. This equality people are talking about could be very easily arrived legislatively. The only reason I say this is because based on some of the comments I've read and seen I suspect many people don't fully understand (that may not be the best word) the change and are jumping to one side or the other for the wrong reason (e.g. Coming home to voter yes just so they show how liberal Ireland is, or no because God says so)

    Still not sure how I'll vote yet but just wanted to throw my 2c worth onto the thread.


  • #8365
    Vivisectus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Vivisectus


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Theres been reasons provided but you lovely equality crusaders just label the reasons bigoted and person a bigot. Once the word no is seen they just get the label irregardless of what is said.

    Please to provide said non-bigoted reason.


  • #8366
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    D.Q wrote: »
    when will we know results?

    Should be 5 or 6pm tomorrow.


  • #8367
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    murphm45 wrote: »
    This equality people are talking about could be very easily arrived legislatively.

    Referendum Commission and the Law Society disagree with you, but what do they know.


  • #8368
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    D.Q wrote: »
    when will we know results?

    Exit polls after 10pm. Final result by about lunchtime tomorrow, depending on how close it is.


  • #8369
    murphm45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭murphm45


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Referendum Commission and the Law Society disagree with you, but what do they know.

    There you go. I stand corrected so. My humble apologies. Hmmm I wonder why though, clearly not reading is required. Damn, this is complicated!!


  • #8370
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    murphm45 wrote: »
    There you go. I stand corrected so. My humble apologies. Hmmm I wonder why though, clearly not reading is required. Damn, this is complicated!!

    I disagree about how complicated it is. All it is doing is allowing same sex couples marry, and then, them and their children would then be protected under the definition of Family in the constitution. It gives them what I have and takes nothing away from me.


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  • #8371
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    murphm45 wrote: »
    There you go. I stand corrected so. My humble apologies. Hmmm I wonder why though, clearly not reading is required. Damn, this is complicated!!

    It could be done but the professionals think that it could be contested, and it would definitely be attempted. They take into account what was meant at the time of writing which would have been assumed marriage is between a man and a woman. This way we are adding a part to make it clear that same sex couples can marry by adding a small line at the end.


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