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Kermit.de.frog · 22-05-2015 02:12PM

Turnout average is 15% so far. The no's have it at this rate.

whatismyname · 22-05-2015 02:12PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

They should have a say, as they do in every other European country, bar Greece.

You don't give any reason why you think this, other than that they should?

Also, are you referring to referendums generally, or just changes to the country's constitution?

whatismyname · 22-05-2015 02:12PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Turnout average is 15% so far. The no's have it at this rate.

Source?

_Kaiser_ · 22-05-2015 02:13PM

swampgas wrote: »

Many people who emigrate hope to return one day, perhaps to settle down and start a family. I imagine many of the people returning to vote are doing so because it may very well impact on their lives at some point in the future.

Do you really think those who emigrate should be forced to abandon any hope of ever returning? Or think they should not be allowed to care about what kind of country they may be returning to?

That's not the issue - the law as it stands today should be respected regardless of the question that's being debated

If they're eligible under those rules then most definitely they should get out and vote, but if not, well.....

Not a NSA agent · 22-05-2015 02:14PM

MathDebater wrote: »

I'm going to lodge a complaint with evidence that at least four people who voted where not resident in the state since Christmas 2011. This isn't about a yes or no vote to me. It's much bigger than that. Talking about it with anonymous posters won't change it and it will occur again unless it's widely reported.

If you have evidence then go ahead. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty so I will not assume anyone is committing voter fraud without evidence.

MrWalsh · 22-05-2015 02:14PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Turnout average is 15% so far. The no's have it at this rate.

That's a brilliant turnout for this time of day. Most people leave it til after work. Judging by that I'd say it'll be 60% turnout overall!

Kermit.de.frog · 22-05-2015 02:14PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Source?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/turnout-across-the-country-averaging-around-15-678331.html

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 02:15PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Also, are you referring to referendums generally, or just changes to the country's constitution?

I'm referring to elections and referendums.

Seriously, look it up. Every other country allows ex-pats to vote, and so should we.

secman · 22-05-2015 02:15PM

Just did a sweeps in the office, 12 people, all straight, 2 female 10 male. Aged from 24 to 72.
All voting yes.
most optimistic was 72/28
least optimistic was 51/49
Average is 61/39

Not scientific but........hopefully

galljga1 · 22-05-2015 02:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Turnout average is 15% so far. The no's have it at this rate.

It's actually 17%. Yes ahead 63% to 36%, 1% spoiled.

43% of statistics are made up on the spot.

endacl · 22-05-2015 02:16PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

His hole.

No. Same place he gets a lot of his threads.

Actually, yeah. You're right. His hole...

:pac:

the groutch · 22-05-2015 02:17PM

swampgas wrote: »

Many people who emigrate hope to return one day, perhaps to settle down and start a family. I imagine many of the people returning to vote are doing so because it may very well impact on their lives at some point in the future.

Do you really think those who emigrate should be forced to abandon any hope of ever returning? Or think they should not be allowed to care about what kind of country they may be returning to?

it's one of those things that is debatable when it comes to a referendum, as the outcome has a permanent effect on the country, whereas the general or local elections it's only for 5 years.

and if people think it should be changed it's up to them to campaign/lobby for it to be changed in future.

but until then they need to respect the current laws.

Vivisectus · 22-05-2015 02:17PM

galljga1 wrote: »

In the main (or mane) I am bald but have dark hair rapidly turning grey. Can I drive?

No, sorry, I have nothing against you, I just think I should not let you drive. Driving was designed by people with blond hair for people with blond hair. Always has been. If we start you dark-scalped ones drive, that completely re-defines driving, so that means it influences my driving.

Also, my religion says people with dark hair should not drive, so sorry. off to the bus you go.

swampgas · 22-05-2015 02:17PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That's not the issue - the law as it stands today should be respected regardless of the question that's being debated

If they're eligible under those rules then most definitely they should get out and vote, but if not, well.....

I agree, but I think there is something unfair about the current rules, given the number of Irish people who emigrate and then return later in life. I think it's simplistic to assume that hordes of Irish people with no intention of ever returning home are going to the expense of travelling back just to vote.

_Kaiser_ · 22-05-2015 02:17PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I'm referring to elections and referendums.

Seriously, look it up. Every other country allows ex-pats to vote, and so should we.

swampgas wrote: »

I agree, but I think there is something unfair about the current rules, given the number of Irish people who emigrate and then return later in life. I think it's simplistic to assume that hordes of Irish people with no intention of ever returning home are going to the expense of travelling back just to vote.

Which is fair enough (and I'd agree personally) BUT the point is today we don't and that should be respected as the law of the land

StewartGriffin · 22-05-2015 02:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Turnout average is 15% so far. The no's have it at this rate.

Maybe best if you stick to the Weather forecasts, Kermit. (Or is there really any point when we already have the great MT Cranium?) Any snow on the way?

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 02:18PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The no's have it at this rate.

Kermie's right everyone! You must get out and vote Yes!

(Actually, we're looking at the best referendum turnout for many years, and a clear Yes win, but still, vote anyhow, you'll feel better for it.)

falan · 22-05-2015 02:18PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlVBg7_08n0

For the day that's in it.

whatismyname · 22-05-2015 02:18PM

Not replying in the trivial annoyance thread, as not making it about the SSM referendum, but someone's posted on there 'I have no issue with remote campaigning. I have an issue with people putting the blame on us if it doesn't past when they can't be arsed to come home like many other Irish in the UK.'

Do people think it's as black and white as Irish people in the UK 'can't be arsed to come home' and vote? Rather than that, you know, that in many cases they are not legally entitled to vote in the referendum?

And that even for those who are still entitled to vote due to when they left Ireland, that it's necessarily the case that they 'can't be arsed'?

Sigh...

seamus · 22-05-2015 02:19PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Turnout average is 15% so far. The no's have it at this rate.

This is what happens when people who haven't a clue what they're talking about get really interested in something.

The last referendum had a turnout of 33%. At Lunchtime the turnout was between 2% and 8%.

In this referendum the lunchtime tallies are between 12% and 20%.

That'll translate to somewhere between 65% and 75% by the end of the day.

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 02:22PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Which is fair enough (and I'd agree personally) BUT the point is today we don't and that should be respected as the law of the land

Go ahead and report any case where you can prove:

1) someone definitely voted
2) they weren't entitled to

Watch as the guard nods and smiles at you. They get all sorts of crackpots in, especially after closing time.

whatismyname · 22-05-2015 02:22PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I'm referring to elections and referendums.

Seriously, look it up. Every other country allows ex-pats to vote, and so should we.

Please don't assume that I didn't look it up.

The Scottish Independence Referendum 2014 is just one example where citizen's who were no longer resident in the country were not eligible to vote.

I knew quite a few of them too.

https://www.scotreferendum.com/questions/who-can-vote-in-the-referendum/

Here's an article on Scottish ex-pats' anger at not being able to vote in their referendum in 2014: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/9035480/Anger-at-expats-exclusion-from-Scottish-referendum.html

This http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/faq/voting-and-registration/can-i-still-vote-if-i-move-overseas also shows in relation to whether UK citizens living overseas can vote in elections. Not quite as black and white as you describe it, in the UK at least.

keithclancy · 22-05-2015 02:22PM

swampgas wrote: »

I agree, but I think there is something unfair about the current rules, given the number of Irish people who emigrate and then return later in life. I think it's simplistic to assume that hordes of Irish people with no intention of ever returning home are going to the expense of travelling back just to vote.

Why does everyone assume we call it home ?

whatismyname · 22-05-2015 02:23PM

swampgas wrote: »

I agree, but I think there is something unfair about the current rules, given the number of Irish people who emigrate and then return later in life. I think it's simplistic to assume that hordes of Irish people with no intention of ever returning home are going to the expense of travelling back just to vote.

Yes, but then do something about getting the rules change? Rather than it being ok that people just bypass the rules as they stand...

swampgas · 22-05-2015 02:23PM

keithclancy wrote: »

Why does everyone assume we call it home ?

Fair point. When I lived abroad myself "home" was always wherever I was living.

captbarnacles · 22-05-2015 02:24PM

Yes vote now 1/25 on Paddypower. C'mon!

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 02:24PM

whatismyname wrote: »

The Scottish Independence Referendum 2014 is just one example where citizen's who were no longer resident in the country were not eligible to vote.

But that was a fix.

MathDebater · 22-05-2015 02:25PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Evidence that a crime was committed? A tweet and a facebook update? I see.

(Nods and smiles, pretends to write in daybook...)

Three family members and their friend who left for Canada on a whv a bit after Christmas 2011/early spring 2012(will get exact date before i report) and who got sponsorship before their working holiday visas expired and haven't lived here since.

Very easy to prove.

22-05-2015 02:25PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Turnout average is 15% so far. The no's have it at this rate.

galljga1 wrote: »

It's actually 17%. Yes ahead 63% to 36%, 1% spoiled.

43% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Indeed

http://www.newstalk.com/Polling-stations-are-reporting-high-turnouts

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 02:25PM

MathDebater wrote: »

Three family members and their friend who left for Canada on a whv a bit after Christmas 2011/early spring 2012(will get exact date before i report) and who got sponsorship before their working holiday visas expired and haven't lived here since.

Very easy to prove.

Proof they voted?

Proof they were abroad continuously since?

If it was me, and a guard bothered to come and ask, I'd tell him I did not wish to give a statement. End of.

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