Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

endacl · 22-05-2015 11:01AM

whatismyname wrote: »

Sorry, don't want to take this thread off topic

Did you not read the thread?!?

whatismyname · 22-05-2015 11:03AM

endacl wrote: »

Did you not read the thread?!?

My answer is irrelevant. I'm talking about me not other people

endacl · 22-05-2015 11:04AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I'd prefer the people who are personal messaging me to tell me they voted would just stick it up on FB tbh - my fecking head is in meltdown from the notification dings.

kylith · 22-05-2015 11:06AM

RollieFingers wrote: »

It's not getting people to vote though, they have already cast their vote, this function allows them to broadcast that fact to the world!

But it can encourage others to get out there and vote too.

Vivisectus · 22-05-2015 11:06AM

you cant just question the mindset of people, just because they dont agree with something you believe in.

Sure you can! It is called "debate". it is where you support your opinion with rational arguments, and try to find out what the rational arguments underpinning another person's belief are, and testing them to see if you feel they old water.

If this confuses you: it is what a lot of no-voters call "silencing" or "Intolerant behavior".

CaveCanem · 22-05-2015 11:09AM

traprunner wrote: »

Don't worry about it because it fits will in with the non-referendum conversation on this thread such as unicorns, surrogacy, traditional marriage where it was good to rape the wife, polygamy, adoption, consummation, baby alpacas and the red herrings.

I fairness with the surrogacy issue it was 'that's false' when it was shown not to be false it and the referendum commission said it was actually yet to be decided it was 'that's irrelevant'.

When the concerns grew, voters became more undecided Enda Kenny said 'there will be no commercial surrogacy'. That's a classic political answer, total evasion. Is 'there will be...' a prediction or a promise? He can claim either after the referendum; 'oh I meant I thought there wasn't enough demand here'.

Then they said there will be no legislation until after the election, thereby trying to separate the results of the referendum with what they may already know is inevitable.

As I said before, I will take him at his word and I am asking people to vote yes despite this. However, it could turn out that the courts determine that while the state does not have to facilitate surrogacy, it cannot ban it or it has to ban IVF etc. which would not be fair on anyone.

If this happens, then while a yes result is to be celebrated, it will be a final blow to any kind of faith in democratic principles and the impartiality of the Referendum Commission who phrased the reply as 'it has yet to be decided' rather than the more honest 'we don't know'.

CaveCanem · 22-05-2015 11:10AM

traprunner wrote: »

Don't worry about it because it fits will in with the non-referendum conversation on this thread such as unicorns, surrogacy, traditional marriage where it was good to rape the wife, polygamy, adoption, consummation, baby alpacas and the red herrings.

In fairness with the surrogacy issue it was 'that's false' when it was shown not to be false it and the referendum commission said it was actually yet to be decided it was 'that's irrelevant'.

When the concerns grew, voters became more undecided Enda Kenny said 'there will be no commercial surrogacy'. That's a classic political answer, total evasion. Is 'there will be...' a prediction or a promise? He can claim either after the referendum; 'oh I meant I thought there wasn't enough demand here'.

Then they said there will be no legislation until after the election, thereby trying to separate the results of the referendum with what they may already know is inevitable.

As I said before, I will take him at his word and I am asking people to vote yes despite this. However, it could turn out that the courts determine that while the state does not have to facilitate surrogacy, it cannot ban it or it has to ban IVF etc. which would not be fair on anyone.

If this happens, then while a yes result is to be celebrated, it will be a final blow to any kind of faith in democratic principles and the impartiality of the Referendum Commission who phrased the reply as 'it has yet to be decided' rather than the more honest 'we don't know'.

Leroy42 · 22-05-2015 11:14AM

On the FB thing, I really don’t see why anybody would want to broadcast that they voted. The whole process is based on anonymity, and whilst of course the FB thing doesn't give away which way you voted, FB is not doing it for the good of their health. They are collecting data so that the votes can be broken down by age category etc.

Why someone would give up such information freely is beyond me. It isn't the same as an exit poll etc, as FB already have all your other info, age, location, interests etc.

road_high · 22-05-2015 11:17AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Polling booth in our rural area was very busy. Lots of people seemed happy and excitable and the atmosphere was almost festive. No voters are not happy, excitable and festive. Feeling very positive!

You can say that again...some/most of them come across a the most miserable, repressed bitter individuals...and that's only the ones that come on here :pac:

traprunner · 22-05-2015 11:18AM

CaveCanem wrote: »

I fairness with the surrogacy issue it was 'that's false' when it was shown not to be false it and the referendum commission said it was actually yet to be decided it was 'that's irrelevant'.

When the concerns grew, voters became more undecided Enda Kenny said 'there will be no commercial surrogacy'. That's a classic political answer, total evasion. Is 'there will be...' a prediction or a promise? He can claim either after the referendum; 'oh I meant I thought there wasn't enough demand here'.

Then they said there will be no legislation until after the election, thereby trying to separate the results of the referendum with what they may already know is inevitable.

As I said before, I will take him at his word and I am asking people to vote yes despite this. However, it could turn out that the courts determine that while the state does not have to facilitate surrogacy, it cannot ban it or it has to ban IVF etc. which would not be fair on anyone.

If this happens, then while a yes result is to be celebrated, it will be a final blow to any kind of faith in democratic principles and the impartiality of the Referendum Commission who phrased the reply as 'it has yet to be decided' rather than the more honest 'we don't know'.

'Yet to be decided' implies that they have come up with a number of options. I would certainly hope that they have options seeing that a number of members of the government said they are currently working on legislation.

'We don't know' implies that they are clueless. This shouldn't be the case if they are working on legislation.

So basically it comes down to believing that they are working on it or they aren't. I'd be inclined to believe them as it is an issue that will only get bigger regardless of the outcome of this referendum.

The issue is there already and will be there tomorrow regardless the result so it is separate to the referendum.

Hermy · 22-05-2015 11:19AM

Is there an exit poll in a referendum?
And when are we likely to see the first indication of which way the vote is going?

Anita Blow · 22-05-2015 11:22AM

Serious butterflies reading the past couple pages of this thread from this morning. Cautiously optimistic!

mickstupp · 22-05-2015 11:27AM

Woo! Voted. Rarely have I felt good after voting, but I did today. I will not feel good if the majority vote no.

I will be very glad to see the back of all the campaign nonsense though.

seamus · 22-05-2015 11:27AM

Hermy wrote: »

Is there an exit poll in a referendum?
And when are we likely to see the first indication of which way the vote is going?

I don't believe that either exit polls or counts can be provided under after the polls close, as they can influence the vote. Afaik all they can say is whether turnout has been strong, slow, quiet, etc.

Any news or current affairs programmes from 10pm onwards will likely provide exit polls.

Though you might find some early reports on twitter.

Bubbaclaus · 22-05-2015 11:28AM

Imagine how silly No voters are going to look in 30 years.

I think they look silly now, everyone will think it in a few decades

Valetta · 22-05-2015 11:29AM

Hermy wrote: »

Is there an exit poll in a referendum?
And when are we likely to see the first indication of which way the vote is going?

Paddy Power have lengthened the odds for a "No" from 4/1 last night to 9/1 as of now.

Looks like it will be a fairly emphatic "Yes".

wakka12 · 22-05-2015 11:30AM

Whats with all the NO advertisements on every ****ing youtube video? They're so patronising it hurts, did anyone see that awful one with the older lady with a white grey/fringe and wearing a pink cardigan? What a bitch. She was like talking about how the YES side are bullies basically, and trying to relate to people on the fence. She was like and look what happened to that poor lovely bakery up north who did nothing wrong, they were just against a political campaign and now their very livelihoods are at stake! I myself am even afraid to say right now that marriage should be between a man and a woman for fear Ill be eaten alive!

Such BS. Give me a break

Hermy · 22-05-2015 11:31AM

seamus wrote: »

Any news or current affairs programmes from 10pm onwards will likely provide exit polls.

Wasn't sure if exit polls only apply in elections.

MJohnston · 22-05-2015 11:31AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Whats with all the NO advertisements on every ****ing youtube video?

Keep watching them, Iona loses a little bit of money every time you do!

Bridge93 · 22-05-2015 11:31AM

Scrolling through Facebook and have seen over 90 people share that referendum post. Not one has voted No.

MJohnston · 22-05-2015 11:32AM

Bridge93 wrote: »

Scrolling through Facebook and have seen over 90 people share that referendum post. Not one has voted No.

That's just the demographics of Facebook. No voters will be much quieter on social media, and the internet in general, but they'll still be there.

Gael23 · 22-05-2015 11:32AM

What turnout are we predicting? I'm saying 70%

the_monkey · 22-05-2015 11:32AM

Its a shame I couldn't come home and vote Yes ... but I feel optimistic about the outcome..

Valetta · 22-05-2015 11:32AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Whats with all the NO advertisements on every ****ing youtube video? They're so patronising it hurts, did anyone see that awful one with the older lady with a white grey/fringe and wearing a pink cardigan? What a bitch. She was like talking about how the YES side are bullies basically, and trying to relate to people on the fence. She was like and look what happened to that poor lovely bakery up north who did nothing wrong, they were just against a political campaign and now their very livelihoods are at stake! I myself am even afraid to say right now that marriage should be between a man and a woman for fear Ill be eaten alive!

Such BS. Give me a break

I like this post, like.

MathDebater · 22-05-2015 11:33AM

Irish Halo wrote: »

I have just seen the #HomeToVote hashtag, look I'm all for the Yes vote but is this not massive, public, electoral fraud?

The information here is confusing about if you even get the 18 months:

1) You must also have been ordinarily resident in the State on 1 September in the year before the Register comes into force.

2) If you leave your address but you plan to return there within 18 months, you can continue to be registered there, as long you do not register at any other.

3) If you are an Irish citizen living abroad you cannot be entered on the register of electors.

1 says OK as long as you were resident in Ireland on a certain date
2 says you get to stay registered at an address for 18 months BUT you must be planning to return by the end of that date
3 states categorically if you're abroad no vote

If everyone on that hashtag is a recent emigrant more power to you but really? All of them only left in the last 18 months?

I said it last night and I'll say it again - lot of people committing electoral fraud.

timetogo · 22-05-2015 11:35AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Whats with all the NO advertisements on every ****ing youtube video?

Yep. I see these ads a couple of times a day. Make sure the ad plays all the way through so Google get their money for the play.
You can't watch them though, I watched a couple and was arguing with the screen.

endacl · 22-05-2015 11:37AM

timetogo wrote: »

Yep. I see these ads a couple of times a day. Make sure the ad plays all the way through so Google get their money for the play.
You can't watch them though, I watched a couple and was arguing with the screen.

It'll be nice tomorrow on YouTube. No more self-loathing Mr Potatohead...

whatismyname · 22-05-2015 11:38AM

Bridge93 wrote: »

Scrolling through Facebook and have seen over 90 people share that referendum post. Not one has voted No.

On my facebook, it only says that they voted, not how they voted?

Fat Christy · 22-05-2015 11:38AM

It needs to be 4 o clock. I need to get back to the shticks to vote. Come on Longford, vote yes.

traprunner · 22-05-2015 11:39AM

MathDebater wrote: »

I said it last night and I'll say it again - lot of people committing electoral fraud.

Report it.

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