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  • #7592
    gk5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭gk5000


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    How can you bring equal rights for same sex couples back to the drawing board?
    Same sex couples want "same sex marriage" so give them "Same Sex Marriage" fully constitutionally protected.

    90% of the people including gays would be happy instead of the current 55-60% and there would be less complications, as the laws for same sex could be slightly different to opposite sex as each of their needs are different.

    Man is not the same as woman, thought no less equal.
    Lets be honest, we are not going to give men 3 months paternity leave, so sometimes it make more sense to allow laws ajust for differences which still achieving equality.


  • #7593
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Same sex couples want "same sex marriage" so give them "Same Sex Marriage" fully constitutionally protected.

    90% of the people including gays would be happy instead of the current 55-60% and there would be less complications, as the laws for same sex could be slightly different to opposite sex as each of their needs are different.

    Man is not the same as woman, thought no less equal.
    Lets be honest, we are not going to give men 3 months paternity leave, so sometimes it make more sense to allow laws ajust for differences which still achieving equality.

    Same sex couples want marriage. Not smarriage, not narriage but marriage.


  • #7594
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    MathDebater wrote: »
    Because we have a huge diaspora and very generous citizenship by descent laws. Six million people are entitled to an Irish passport through descent in the UK alone. I don't have the figures for the US and Canada but I'd imagine it's at least a couple of million there too.

    OK I didn't realise it was that many. But I think citizens who live here and are on the electoral role should be able to stay on it if they emigrate. That would cut it down to only first generation and mostly eliminate the the descent problem of people who have never lived, or even been here, being eligible. I think it's unfair the way it is.


  • #7595
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,141 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Its in all our children's books, a Prince marries a Princess, a Knight marries a maiden, a King marries a Queen, etc etc, and now I guess that will change as same sex marriages are depicted?

    PS; surely it should read, it wasn't the horses fault Mammy?

    Having seen Bannisdhe's reply below, I feel safe to write this, and she know's me (so to speak). @L/S.. how do you know the gender of the Queen?


  • #7596
    lizzyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 704 ✭✭✭lizzyman


    gk5000 wrote: »
    there would be less complications, as the laws for same sex could be slightly different to opposite sex as each of their needs are different.

    “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

    -George Orwell.


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  • #7597
    shane7218
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭shane7218


    I hope that on Saturday we all wake up to a better and equal Ireland. This is our chance to make a real impact and I hope we do.


  • #7598
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Same sex couples want "same sex marriage" so give them "Same Sex Marriage" fully constitutionally protected.

    90% of the people including gays would be happy instead of the current 55-60% and there would be less complications, as the laws for same sex could be slightly different to opposite sex as each of their needs are different.

    Man is not the same as woman, thought no less equal.
    Lets be honest, we are not going to give men 3 months paternity leave, so sometimes it make more sense to allow laws ajust for differences which still achieving equality.

    As has been already said, you cannot have the same thing with two different names...


  • #7599
    ronivek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Same sex couples want "same sex marriage" so give them "Same Sex Marriage" fully constitutionally protected.

    90% of the people including gays would be happy instead of the current 55-60% and there would be less complications, as the laws for same sex could be slightly different to opposite sex as each of their needs are different.

    Man is not the same as woman, thought no less equal.
    Lets be honest, we are not going to give men 3 months paternity leave, so sometimes it make more sense to allow laws ajust for differences which still achieving equality.

    I don't even know where to start with this.

    So men are different to women but equal...

    ...and homosexuals are different to heterosexuals but not equal?


  • #7600
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    bajer101 wrote: »
    Electoral fraud? The people coming home to vote are Irish citizens. They were born and raised here. They are mainly young people who had to leave recently for economic reasons and may very well return. The fact that they are making the effort to return home to vote means that they really care about this country and if they do return permanently they want to have a voice in how their children will be effected. Morally, there is absolutely nothing wrong with these people coming home to vote and I applaud them.

    Would you applaud them if they were likely to vote No?

    The law is quite simple in this area - you don't live here, you don't have a say.


  • #7601
    gk5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭gk5000


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    Same sex couples want marriage. Not smarriage, not narriage but marriage.
    They want Same Sex Marriage.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057433247

    There's going to be some bitching down the road by the gay community when they are impaled on some 100 year old case law still on the books - whereas they could have a brand shiny new law just for their own special case.

    One size rarely fits all.


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  • #7602
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    conditioned games wrote: »
    It will be a very sad day for Ireland if this gay marriage thing comes in. A large chunk of society is on a downward curve not knowing the difference between right and wrong anymore. Men having seX with men, women with women, absolute bonkers. We're living in a messed up world and worse it's getting. Where does the insanity end?

    Hopefully your night time tablets will help!


  • #7603
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Same sex couples want "same sex marriage" so give them "Same Sex Marriage" fully constitutionally protected.

    90% of the people including gays would be happy instead of the current 55-60% and there would be less complications, as the laws for same sex could be slightly different to opposite sex as each of their needs are different.

    Man is not the same as woman, thought no less equal.
    Lets be honest, we are not going to give men 3 months paternity leave, so sometimes it make more sense to allow laws ajust for differences which still achieving equality.

    Yeah, they can ride in the same bus, just a different specifically allocated seat. In case they get the wrong idea.


  • #7604
    gk5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭gk5000


    ronivek wrote: »
    I don't even know where to start with this.

    So men are different to women but equal...

    ...and homosexuals are different to heterosexuals but not equal?
    Men are different to women but equal
    Homosexuals are different to hetrosexual but equal
    Man + Man, Man + Woman, Woman + Woman are all different but can be equal.

    It's very simple. There is no need to be the same or neutered to be equal.


  • #7605
    SummerSummit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭SummerSummit


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Man is not the same as woman, thought no less equal.
    Lets be honest, we are not going to give men 3 months paternity leave, so sometimes it make more sense to allow laws ajust for differences which still achieving equality.

    There are plans to give 6 months paternity leave, the same amount as maternity leave. it will level out the playing field for men and women for employment opportunities.


  • #7606
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    gk5000 wrote: »
    They want Same Sex Marriage.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057433247

    There's going to be some bitching down the road by the gay community when they are impaled on some 100 year old case law still on the books - whereas they could have a brand shiny new law just for their own special case.

    One size rarely fits all.

    Yes yes, **** happening that nobody has any idea what will happen like every single other law or constitutional change. Its such a mystery that not even people claiming it will become a problem know what it is.

    The same thing could happen with your idea of smarriage which you abandoned your thread on.


  • #7607
    lizzyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 704 ✭✭✭lizzyman


    gk5000 wrote: »
    They want Same Sex Marriage.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057433247

    There's going to be some bitching down the road by the gay community when they are impaled on some 100 year old case law still on the books - whereas they could have a brand shiny new law just for their own special case.

    One size rarely fits all.

    Some of this idiots other gems on the other thread include:

    I am totally fed up of LBGT people trying to magic away children.
    LBGT are still hunting in packs

    etc. etc.


  • #7608
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    gk5000 wrote: »
    They want Same Sex Marriage.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057433247

    There's going to be some bitching down the road by the gay community when they are impaled on some 100 year old case law still on the books - whereas they could have a brand shiny new law just for their own special case.

    One size rarely fits all.

    Yet one law fits a million completely different mixed sex parent families. Let's have a law for each family.


  • #7609
    gk5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭gk5000


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Yeah, they can ride in the same bus, just a different specifically allocated seat. In case they get the wrong idea.
    Or they can all choose their one seat on the same bus...some like the window, some like the aisle.

    One size fits all rarely works.


  • #7610
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Wow. It's finished. All the canvassing. All the calling to doors. All the handing out leaflets, stickers, badges and balloons on the street. All the well wishes, all the praise and all the criticism, the negative campaigning, the posters that attacked those not even involved;- single parent and adopted families. Being told "that's disgusting" at the door steps, having doors slammed in my face and leaflets been torn up and thrown at me.
    But if we can get a YES on Saturday it will such a small sacrifice for the reward that is equality.
    A huge debt of gratitude goes from me, and the gay community as a people, to our straight allies, and those who for no other reason but the desire for equality put the X in the YES box. Thank You, a thousand times thank you. And hopefully Saturday will bring a new dawn of Equality to Ireland.

    So please, tomorrow, go to the polling station, and put an X in the YES/Tá box for Marriage Equality.


  • #7611
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Here's a crazy example of Irish citizenship, 2 people emigrated to America in say the 1940's they had children and their children had children who are now 18, these grandchildren of emigrants who have never set foot in ireland or ever intend to can claim Irish citizenship and unless we are very careful with foreign voting, a vote as well. Can you honestly tell me that makes sense that someone who has never lived here and never intends to live her should have a say in how the country is run?

    No I definately get that. But I think first generation emigrants should be allowed a say in how their country of origin is run. Many will have left (any country, not just this one) because of reasons related to its running.


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  • #7612
    MathDebater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    OK I didn't realise it was that many. But I think citizens who live here and are on the electoral role should be able to stay on it if they emigrate. That would cut it down to only first generation and mostly eliminate the the descent problem of people who have never lived, or even been here, being eligible. I think it's unfair the way it is.

    Someone who has never set foot in Ireland, but has an Irish born granny and who registers their birth with the FBR is as much an Irish citizen as someone who was born and raised here. How can you legally discriminate against one and not the other?

    The law is quite clear. If you're out of the country for longer than 18 months or plan to remain out of the country for longer than 18 months, then you're not entitled to vote. This is going to be widely abused tomorrow. People see it as a good thing as it benefits their side. They are failing to look at the bigger picture. This could cause turmoil in future referendums that are much tighter.

    Are we a nation of laws or what?


  • #7613
    gk5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭gk5000


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Yet one law fits a million completely different mixed sex parent families. Let's have a law for each family.
    Well one type of family is husband and wife....

    What are the others called? or do we have to legally abolish husband and wife?


  • #7614
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Or they can all choose their one seat on the same bus...some like the window, some like the aisle.

    One size fits all rarely works.

    Or they can choose to get married or not... your analogy doesn't make sense for your argument...

    Also, again, you cannot have the same thing with two different names...


  • #7615
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Or they can all choose their one seat on the same bus...some like the window, some like the aisle.

    You're not talking about offering them what they want, you're talking about segregation.
    gk5000 wrote: »
    One size fits all rarely works.

    You need to stop saying that over and over, because one size fits all is pretty much the definition of "law" and you're making yourself look really stupid.


  • #7616
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,141 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    mohawk wrote: »
    But if we indoctrinate the children by teaching them about two women or two men getting married then they will ALL grow up and get gay married and society will collapse!!




    Or something like that.

    You have got to stop looking into David (look into my eyes) Quinn's eyes, it's bad for your health


  • #7617
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Well one type of family is husband and wife....

    What are the others called? or do we have to legally abolish husband and wife?

    Husband and husband or wife and wife probably. The idea of 2 people of the same gender marrying isnt a brand new idea created by this referendum, other countries have been doing it for years.

    What will your smarriage called them? Spouse1 and Spouse2?


  • #7618
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,082 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    No I definately get that. But I think first generation emigrants should be allowed a say in how their country of origin is run. Many will have left (any country, not just this one) because of reasons related to its running.

    I agree but I do not think those who have no intent on returning should have a say, I disagree with people who will not be personally affected by their vote having the ability to vote. I think a rule of 7 years is perfectly fine that gives them at least one presidential and one general election


  • #7619
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Well one type of family is husband and wife....

    No, that's just the current definition of "family" in the constitution. There are as many types of families as there are families.
    gk5000 wrote: »
    What are the others called? or do we have to legally abolish husband and wife?

    Your responses remind me of a chat bot. The key words are there, but none of it logically follows from what came before.


  • #7620
    abff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,876 ✭✭✭abff


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Well one type of family is husband and wife....

    What are the others called? or do we have to legally abolish husband and wife?

    Yes. We will also have to abolish the terms man and woman.

    But don't worry about that, because we will all be busy fighting the plague of locusts.

    Not to mention the tornados.


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  • #7621
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    No I definately get that. But I think first generation emigrants should be allowed a say in how their country of origin is run. Many will have left (any country, not just this one) because of reasons related to its running.

    Thats why they'll never get to vote :pac:


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