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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #4142
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    John also claims that anyone voting yes is either caving in to bullying or just doing the "cool" vote. Then complains about demonising and a lack of freedom.

    The yes side arent the ones claiming that having gay parents is damaging to children or reducing the freedom of others. When it comes to the 22nd people can vote as they wish privately. Nobody is being forced one way or the other unlike preventing people to have the freedom to get married.

    I totally agree. Everyone will make their own mind up. I do think a lot of people will vote no but would never admit it. So I think the vote may be closer than polls suggest.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #4143
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    I do think a lot of people will vote no but would never admit it. So I think the vote may be closer than polls suggest.
    I think a lot of people will not bother to vote and not admit it too.


  • #4144
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Is there any concrete proof of large American donations for the no side? Surely political funding should be transparent.
    The beauty of that is the Iona Institute is registered as a charity and thus is exempt from having to disclose its funding. It apparently isn't political. But they'll leap on anyone from the Yes side and their funding at a moment's notice.


  • #4145
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    ixoy wrote: »
    The beauty of that is the Iona Institute is registered as a charity and thus is exempt from having to disclose its funding. It apparently isn't political. But they'll leap on anyone from the Yes side and their funding at a moment's notice.

    As a registered charity they do have to file an annual report but their entry is devoid of details https://www.charitiesregulatoryauthority.ie/Website/CRA/CRAweb.nsf/0/5980089C299CC54680257D7A003C7ED3


  • #4146
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    I totally agree. Everyone will make their own mind up. I do think a lot of people will vote no but would never admit it. So I think the vote may be closer than polls suggest.

    It will be closer than the polls suggest. Although you would think that no voters afraid of "coming out" would learn what it feels like for many gay people.


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  • #4147
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    As a registered charity they do have to file an annual report but their entry is devoid of details https://www.charitiesregulatoryauthority.ie/Website/CRA/CRAweb.nsf/0/5980089C299CC54680257D7A003C7ED3
    They are also a private limited company they became Lolek Ltd and incorporated in 2006.


  • #4148
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    John also claims that anyone voting yes is either caving in to bullying or just doing the "cool" vote. Then complains about demonising and a lack of freedom.

    The yes side arent the ones claiming that having gay parents is damaging to children or reducing the freedom of others. When it comes to the 22nd people can vote as they wish privately. Nobody is being forced one way or the other unlike preventing people to have the freedom to get married.

    Not to mention when he said this
    It is not that they want to get married it is that they want to destroy the institution of marriage because they are envious of it and they see it as a, really, as an affront to their equality.

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/02/09/its-not-even-gay-marriage-im-opposed-to-its-the-idea-of-gay-adoption/

    And the guy suing a tv station to censure comments talking about being silenced? Really?

    F right off.


  • #4149
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    floggg wrote: »
    And the guy suing a tv station to censure comments talking about being silenced? Really?

    F right off.

    A tv station that he was a member of the Board of Governors ( or whatever it is called ) at the same time and he saw no conflict of interest .


  • #4150
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    John also claims that anyone voting yes is either caving in to bullying or just doing the "cool" vote. Then complains about demonising and a lack of freedom.

    The yes side arent the ones claiming that having gay parents is damaging to children or reducing the freedom of others. When it comes to the 22nd people can vote as they wish privately. Nobody is being forced one way or the other unlike preventing people to have the freedom to get married.

    John Waters believes that everyone should have a right to an opinion...as long as it aligns with his. Shame really, he sometimes writes decent articles but the past 15 months he has not given a good account of himself at all.


  • #4151
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    I am dead wrote: »
    Please please stop talking about the referendum. Just go and vote on the 22nd and that'll the end of it.

    Unless its a no. Then we'll get to do this all over again in a few years.

    At least nobody can use adoption and surrogacy as an argument then as gay people will have been doing it for years.


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  • #4152
    Ozymandius2011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    India has banned same sex parenting, debunking no side claims India would be a source of surrogates for gay couples.


  • #4153
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    I am dead wrote: »
    It hurting my eyes.

    Unfollow thread?

    Anyway.... Just passed by some endearingly clever young people in rathmines. Turning No posters way from the road. Not removing or defacing them. Simply decommissioning them. Creating a Maginot Line for the No campaign.

    Gotta love endearingly clever young people.

    ;)


  • #4154
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/referendum/my-message-is-clear-follow-your-thoughts-or-feelings-but-dont-vote-from-a-position-of-fear-31230305.html


    Leo on the referendum


  • #4155
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    silverfeather wrote: »
    I think a lot of people will not bother to vote and not admit it too.

    I doubt the turnout reaches 55%. It may be under 50%

    No special reason for this, it's just what happens with referendums over the past 20 years


  • #4156
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    I doubt the turnout reaches 55%. It may be under 50%

    No special reason for this, it's just what happens with referendums over the past 20 years

    I do think thought that generally people who don't vote are younger and they will this time. So it may be higher than usual. I can't be certain though.


  • #4157
    TheBeardedLady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    I'm ****ting my load. So nervous. I don't know what I'll do if Ireland votes NO this Friday - I'll feel deeply ashamed.


  • #4158
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    I'm ****ting my load. So nervous. I don't know what I'll do if Ireland votes NO this Friday - I'll feel deeply ashamed.

    It won't....it'll fly through,,...this no vote thing is being blown out of all proportion imho


    I honestly haven't meet anyone (in real life) promoting a no vote!!(I live in backarse of nowhere)


  • #4159
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,084 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    It won't....it'll fly through,,...this no vote thing is being blown out of all proportion imho


    I honestly haven't meet anyone (in real life) promoting a no vote!!(I live in backarse of nowhere)

    Stop saying this! You cannot tell people this as the yes voters are likely to be the most apathetic and many new young voters if they feel they don't need to vote simply won't and it may fail due to this overconfidence, the biggest mistake the yes side can make is overconfidence


  • #4160
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    The only people who I know are definitely going to vote no are the extremely religious. They were always going to vote no. I've actually been surprised at some of those I know who will be voting yes. Nearly every married couple I know are voting yes, why because they realise that this referendum is not a threat to their marriages. They are mature enough to realise that it extends the right to marry and the protections that it gives to life partners to a minority of the population that have been excluded up to this time.

    While the no campaigns extremely negative tactics may have swayed some people to vote no I sincerely believe they have definitely swayed others towards a yes vote because people do see these posters, slogans and campaigns for what they are. Fear Uncertainty and Doubt with no real substance at all.

    The key to this referendum is to get your arse out and to vote. Don't rely on others to deliver something that you believe in. That way you can sincerely say you were part of something momentous in 2015 and not a bystander on the sidelines.


  • #4161
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    It won't....it'll fly through,,...this no vote thing is being blown out of all proportion imho


    I honestly haven't meet anyone (in real life) promoting a no vote!!(I live in backarse of nowhere)
    you are wrong
    I live in a rural area where the majority of the people I meet are voting no and they aren't mass goers either,they are people that always do and will turn out to vote
    One of them is 27 and an atheist


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  • #4162
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭sjb25


    Just watching sky news and they just ran a report about the referendum in it they just said we will be the first country to redefine marrige in our constitution!!!!!
    Also said our police force are calling for a yes vote!!!
    FFS must be a no supporter put that together


  • #4163
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,898 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    It won't....it'll fly through,,...this no vote thing is being blown out of all proportion imho


    I honestly haven't meet anyone (in real life) promoting a no vote!!(I live in backarse of nowhere)

    Hope you're right Tom. Though the No fear is everywhere and quite persuasive.


  • #4164
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Roger Buck wrote: »
    Again, my main point in posting John Water's piece above is not to advocate yes or no, but to say that things really do look out of control.

    I think you got the wrong end of the stick. His piece was to have a dig at the Yes side therefore advocating a No vote.


  • #4165
    TheBeardedLady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    It won't....it'll fly through,,...this no vote thing is being blown out of all proportion imho


    I honestly haven't meet anyone (in real life) promoting a no vote!!(I live in backarse of nowhere)

    Tom I'm not so confident anymore. I know 2 people voting NO who I didn't expect would. I really hope you're right. I know it's not logical to feel shame for other people's decisions but that's how I'll feel nonetheless. Harsh as it sounds, I won't feel so proud to say where I'm from when people ask. A NO vote will do damage to our rep abroad and that's something that concerns me as an emigrant.


  • #4166
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    4 days to go. :eek:


  • #4167
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Tom I'm not so confident anymore. I know 2 people voting NO who I didn't expect would. I really hope you're right. I know it's not logical to feel shame for other people's decisions but that's how I'll feel nonetheless. Harsh as it sounds, I won't feel so proud to say where I'm from when people ask. A NO vote will do damage to our rep abroad and that's something that concerns me as an emigrant.

    Surely whatever the Irish people decide is the right decision. If anyone from abroad asks why Ireland voted no, ask them if the same provisions are in their constitution and you will find that they are not. Ireland's would be the first constitution to include a same sex marriage clause.
    Nothing to be ashamed of.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #4168
    TheBeardedLady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Surely whatever the Irish people decide is the right decision. If anyone from abroad asks why Ireland voted no, ask them if the same provisions are in their constitution and you will find that they are not. Ireland's would be the first constitution to include a same sex marriage clause.
    Nothing to be ashamed of.

    Same sex marriage is legal in Spain. Very open towards homosexuality here and they would find it extremely backwards if this didn't pass. I'd feel deeply ashamed as I said before.


  • #4169
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭sjb25


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Tom I'm not so confident anymore. I know 2 people voting NO who I didn't expect would. I really hope you're right. I know it's not logical to feel shame for other people's decisions but that's how I'll feel nonetheless. Harsh as it sounds, I won't feel so proud to say where I'm from when people ask. A NO vote will do damage to our rep abroad and that's something that concerns me as an emigrant.

    I also have found out 3 people voting no who I didn't expect and they are not religious at all nor are the old they are mid to late 20s so bettween me and you alone that's 5 "unexpected" no voters so I'm sure there is a good few more the result is going to be very close more than people think
    That's why everybody and I will say everybody no matter which side gets out to vote I'm a yes voter but I respect the right of anybody to vote whatever they want and once there is a good turn out il accept the vote whatever way it goes
    But most important is to get out and vote


  • #4170
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Roger Buck wrote: »
    Again, my main point in posting John Water's piece above is not to advocate yes or no, but to say that things really do look out of control.

    Ah, there's over-vigorous champions for truth and justice on both sides who take the law into their own hands so to speak by living in the bottom half of the internet, ripping down or defacing posters or ringing schools or business to apply pressure yet somehow, ironically, the people campaigning for the no are the only ones that are somehow able to market themselves as oppressed.

    Someone was going on about the surrogacy thing and how soon nobody will be sure how they are really marrying. The strange thing is they seem to ignore the history of Mother and Baby homes, forced adoption and the inability for many from those homes to find out who their actual parents are - which muddied the waters far worse than surrogacy ever would. But hey, you can't replace a mother's love…


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  • #4171
    keano_afc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    Off topic, but my voting cards still havent come. They came much earlier than this for the general election, anyone else still waiting?


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