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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #3182
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    sporina wrote: »
    can someone elaborate on the last two sentences please?

    It's a satirical newspaper.

    They are taking the Michael.


  • #3183
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,451 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    haveringchick wrote: »
    Posters who are obviously fence sitters and potentially yes voters ask stupid questions and the yes side shout at them angrily and sarcastically.
    Do you guys want to get folk on your side or not?

    Fence sitters or No voters disguised as fence sitters?


  • #3184
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    haveringchick wrote: »
    Posters who are obviously fence sitters and potentially yes voters ask stupid questions and the yes side shout at them angrily and sarcastically.
    Do you guys want to get folk on your side or not?

    Do you guys take lessons or is there like a flow chart of responses? Its gotten so bad I can remember the last time you specifically did this same spiel.


  • #3185
    Tipperary animal lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Tipperary animal lover


    Hi all this my first post on here about the referendum, im gay guy who's been in a steady relationship for the last 23yrs, we live in a small town have a great group of friends some of my family are great to us my partners family have nothing to do with us, my mother and one bother are voting no another bother not voting at all that's their choice, all we want is to get married as it's the one thing in our relationship that's missing. Since this all started ive seen a change in some locals towards us which is sad to see a lot of snide remarks etc.
    When this is all over whatever way it goes we still have to live our lives in this small town, why can't people just be happy to see us been happy.
    Of course im hoping for a yes vote but if it's a no vote I think it will set us back a long way. Do u think ive a right to be happy as all my neighbours are on there wedding day, im just an ordinary "gay" joe soap trying to live my life in this country of ours, would ye agree?


  • #3186
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Do you guys take lessons or is there like a flow chart of responses? Its gotten so bad I can remember the last time you specifically did this same spiel.

    The recommended flow chart ends with "I was going to vote yes, but now I'm voting no because 'bullying'".


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  • #3187
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    The recommended flow chart ends with "I was going to vote yes, but now I'm voting no because 'bullying'".

    And that is almost word for word what Havering declared the last time. Surprise?


  • #3188
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    haveringchick wrote: »
    Posters who are obviously fence sitters and potentially yes voters ask stupid questions and the yes side shout at them angrily and sarcastically.
    Do you guys want to get folk on your side or not?

    That's about the most sensible thing anyone has said in this thread. There's a few here that could do with some lessons on how to wins hearts and minds. What's worse is that once they launch at you they all start thanking each other. Surprised there's anyone left asking a question in the thread.


  • #3189
    sporina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,158 ✭✭✭sporina


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    It's a satirical newspaper.

    They are taking the Michael.

    yeah i know but are they referring to anything in particular that happened?


  • #3190
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    That's about the most sensible thing anyone has said in this thread. There's a few here that could do with some lessons on how to wins hearts and minds. What's worse is that once they launch at you they all start thanking each other. Surprised there's anyone left asking a question in the thread.

    It's the same thing that the same rereg's are continually saying.

    I'm bullied, I'm victimised, I've changed to a No vote, poor me!


  • #3191
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    sporina wrote: »
    yeah i know but are they referring to anything in particular that happened?

    Im assuming its in relation to the egging of a child at a no canvassing event the other day, while the person who threw the egg professed no allegiance with the yes side while the cycled by at speed or any wore any kind of identifying clothing the no side immediately jumped out to demand condemnation and an apology from the yes side


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  • #3192
    YurOK2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭YurOK2


    Tipperary animal lover wrote: »
    Hi all this my first post on here about the referendum, im gay guy who's been in a steady relationship for the last 23yrs, we live in a small town have a great group of friends some of my family are great to us my partners family have nothing to do with us, my mother and one bother are voting no another bother not voting at all that's their choice, all we want is to get married as it's the one thing in our relationship that's missing. Since this all started ive seen a change in some locals towards us which is sad to see a lot of snide remarks etc.
    When this is all over whatever way it goes we still have to live our lives in this small town, why can't people just be happy to see us been happy.
    Of course im hoping for a yes vote but if it's a no vote I think it will set us back a long way. Do u think ive a right to be happy as all my neighbours are on there wedding day, im just an ordinary "gay" joe soap trying to live my life in this country of ours, would ye agree?

    Yes, I do. I love being married and I hope that anybody else who wants to make that commitment will be able to do so without any problems or judgment.
    For some people, marriage is important and for some people it's not. I want all the people to whom marriage is important to be able to get married.


  • #3193
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    sporina wrote: »
    yeah i know but are they referring to anything in particular that happened?

    Wasn't sure you knew - ;).

    Not that I am aware of but my head is so full of... stuff... right now that I don't know if I'm coming or going half the time


  • #3194
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    That's about the most sensible thing anyone has said in this thread. There's a few here that could do with some lessons on how to wins hearts and minds. What's worse is that once they launch at you they all start thanking each other. Surprised there's anyone left asking a question in the thread.

    A question like 'will the words mother and father cease to exist on birth certs'? Because that's relevant isn't it? I might vote no because if the referendum passes the words mother and father might be struck from the dictionary and my son will be required by law to refer to us as 'parent one and parent two'. In all fairness! I think it's pretty obvious who's genuinely on the fence and who's not.


  • #3195
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    That's about the most sensible thing anyone has said in this thread. There's a few here that could do with some lessons on how to wins hearts and minds. What's worse is that once they launch at you they all start thanking each other. Surprised there's anyone left asking a question in the thread.

    I'd be more inclined to take you at your word if you hadn't written a post helpfully letting gay people know that even if they win the referendum they still really lose because now there will be a figure on how many people dislike them.
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Either way your going to have a side that isn't giving it seal of approval, whether that's 40%/50%60% even a win is a loss in a way as it actually puts a figure on the amount of like/dislike for the side.
    Your going from a situation where nobody is judging you to a place where there's a quantifiable figure on the dislike/hate. I don't think outside a general election that countrymen have been pitted against each other like this if it simply boils down to do you believe gays are equal yes/no. No winners here the more I think about it.



    Danube's post was initially greeted by me begging him to vote yes in a very polite manner and an offer from Floggg to answer any question he might have even by PM!


  • #3196
    BMMachine
    Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    Can anyone who intends to vote No answer this for me-

    Why does marriage have to be between a Man and a Woman?


  • #3197
    sporina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,158 ✭✭✭sporina


    so will someone tell me in lay mans terms, what are the yes vote looking for? what are the benefits of marriage as oppose to civil partnership?


  • #3198
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    BMMachine wrote: »
    Can anyone who intends to vote No answer this for me-

    Why does marriage have to be between a Man and a Woman?

    It does not why not a horse or a sheep or multiple people ?


  • #3199
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    One of these questions is an 'on the fence' question. The other is not!

    sporina wrote: »
    this is what I want to know? I read that there are differences in civil partnership and marriage in terms of social supports for the couple - but what social supports? this is what i want clarification on.
    danube wrote: »
    Is it true that the names on the birth cert will be changed to Parent 1 and Parent 2??


  • #3200
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    sporina wrote: »
    so will someone tell me in lay mans terms, what are the yes vote looking for? what are the benefits of marriage as oppose to civil partnership?

    Legal differentiation.


  • #3201
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    sporina wrote: »
    so will someone tell me in lay mans terms, what are the yes vote looking for? what are the benefits of marriage as oppose to civil partnership?

    Perhaps the most crucial one is constitutional protection of the legal recognition of their relationships.

    At the moment civil partnership is only recognized in legislation, meaning any Government with a majority in the Oireachtas could pass a law abolishing them.

    The following article is a good explainer (and from a straight dude).

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/noel-whelan-what-s-the-difference-between-civil-partnership-and-marriage-1.2195514


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  • #3202
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    sporina wrote: »
    so will someone tell me in lay mans terms, what are the yes vote looking for? what are the benefits of marriage as oppose to civil partnership?

    Hey Sporina, I have been meaning to answer your questions, but to be honest I have been lazily hoping someone else will beat me to it. Have been posting briefly while cooking dinner since you first asked. I have a kid to put to bed and then I will find some good links for you to explain. Bear with me for an hour or so. :)


  • #3203
    GCU Flexible Demeanour
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭GCU Flexible Demeanour


    sporina wrote: »
    so will someone tell me in lay mans terms, what are the yes vote looking for? what are the benefits of marriage as oppose to civil partnership?
    The clearest explanation I've found is this one:

    http://fergryan.blogspot.ie/2015/04/civil-partnership-v-marriage-some.html


  • #3204
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Do you guys take lessons or is there like a flow chart of responses? Its gotten so bad I can remember the last time you specifically did this same spiel.

    Do you not think it's time you took a break from ranting at everyone? It can't be good for you.


  • #3205
    sporina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,158 ✭✭✭sporina


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Perhaps the most crucial one is constitutional protection of the legal recognition of their relationships.

    At the moment civil partnership is only recognized in legislation, meaning any Government with a majority in the Oireachtas could pass a law abolishing them.



    The following article is a good explainer (and from a straight dude).

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/noel-whelan-what-s-the-difference-between-civil-partnership-and-marriage-1.2195514

    but surly it was not apply to those who already have a civil partnership?

    but what are the other differences? So they mention differences in relation to pensions, inheritance etc? I would love to know the specifics - just so I know what the yes vote are looking for exactly.
    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Hey Sporina, I have been meaning to answer your questions, but to be honest I have been lazily hoping someone else will beat me to it. Have been posting briefly while cooking dinner since you first asked. I have a kid to put to bed and then I will find some good links for you to explain. Bear with me for an hour or so. :)

    Thanks.
    Look forward to it.


  • #3206
    BMMachine
    Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    It does not why not a horse or a sheep

    Not Humans.
    darkpagandeath wrote:
    or multiple people ?

    a question for a future time when all humans in this country are on the same footing re marriage.
    Is there something fundamentally wrong with misogynous marriages? I don't know, its never come up much in my life, I've never looked into it and can't judge.
    On the other hand, homosexual marriage has come up involving people in my life so I took an interest and learned about it and the more I learned and thought, the more I think humans in a state should be treated equally.
    sporina wrote:
    so will someone tell me in lay mans terms, what are the yes vote looking for? what are the benefits of marriage as oppose to civil partnership?

    Personally, what Im looking for is for all humans in this country to be treated equally in the eyes of the law and society, and that means marriage and not a civil partnership.


  • #3207
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    haveringchick wrote: »
    Do you not think it's time you took a break from ranting at everyone? It can't be good for you.

    At whom am I ranting?


  • #3208
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Gintonious wrote: »


    Not one to agree with Terry Prone at all, but she hits the nail firmly on the head here in relation to Mr Quinn, he is a skilled propagandist.

    I hope TV3 have a good legal team.


  • #3209
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    I hope TV3 have a good legal team.

    Your obviously not aware of who terry prone is, that conniving b1tch knows exactly what shes up to


  • #3210
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Your obviously not aware of who terry prone is, that conniving b1tch knows exactly what shes up to

    Indeed and if anyone was qualified to judge a persons talents at propaganda...


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  • #3211
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I'd be more inclined to take you at your word if you hadn't written a post helpfully letting gay people know that even if they win the referendum they still really lose because now there will be a figure on how many people dislike them.

    That went way over your head, something that pits man against man shouldn't be put to vote, it's no way for the goverment to do this. It wasn't meant to be a put down to gays but it was pointing out the bloody oblivious to the poster playing the violin who thought everyone hates him that votes no.


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