Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

Rhys Essien · 13-05-2015 02:35PM #1

Navy ship LE Eithne set to leave this weekend.They will have their work cut out.I see the latest news,the Brits have picked up 400 this morning.I suppose we cant leave it all to the Italians.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/navy-sends-leacute-eithne-to-tackle-migrants-crisis-330244.html

Another thing,if we accept EU plans on taking in migrants,we will take in 272 migrants per 20,000.Are there many empty houses around Connacht.It will be one way to repopulate the province.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-set-to-accept-272-migrants-per-20-000-under-new-eu-quotas-1.2210931

Mourinho · 13-05-2015 02:41PM

I heard this and wondered if it's per 20,000 how many will there be tho if this keeps going on? I mean is Europe just to keep saving and taking in people indefinitely?

Menas · 13-05-2015 02:41PM

The brits may be right on this one. The answer is to cut off the source.
At the moment all the trafficers need to do is get some sort of a boat, find a migrant willing to drive it and then fill the boat with paying passengers and send it in a vague northerly direction. They know that the boat will probably be intercepted and the migrants rescued and enter the EU system from there.

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 02:42PM

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Navy ship LE Eithne set to leave this weekend.They will have their work cut out.I see the latest news,the Brits have picked up 400 this morning.I suppose we cant leave it all to the Italians.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/navy-sends-leacute-eithne-to-tackle-migrants-crisis-330244.html

Another thing,if we accept EU plans on taking in migrants,we will take in 272 migrants per 20,000.Are there many empty houses around Connacht.It will be one way to repopulate the province.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-set-to-accept-272-migrants-per-20-000-under-new-eu-quotas-1.2210931

Repopulating connacht with poor muslim refugees who don't even speak english is surely a good way to restore population loss in the area without seriously damaging the culture of the area :rolleyes:

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 02:43PM

Mourinho wrote: »

I heard this and wondered if it's per 20,000 how many will there be tho if this keeps going on? I mean is Europe just to keep saving and taking in people indefinitely?

Apparently. I think we should spend more money on lowering birth rates in these poor countries and improving life in there, taking in refugees is a drop in the ocean no matter how many we take. And its not sustainable.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 02:45PM

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Another thing,if we accept EU plans on taking in migrants,we will take in 272 migrants per 20,000.Are there many empty houses around Connacht.It will be one way to repopulate the province.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-set-to-accept-272-migrants-per-20-000-under-new-eu-quotas-1.2210931

Are they illegal migrants that we're taking, or asylum seekers? If asylum seekers, it's not that many. If it's illegal migrants, it's going to quite a lot. Didn't the Finnish say the EU can't force this, and it's only up to individual member states to decide?

We got stung with 7 years of austerity to make sure the European economies didn't collapse, I can only hope we're not going to be stung with taking a couple thousand illegal migrants because Germany and Sweden don't want theirs any more.

Outkast_IRE · 13-05-2015 02:46PM

I think the USA should be forking out and taking them all . They have a large responsibility in this cluster fcuk of a situation .

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-05-2015 02:46PM

I thought they were sending warships to deal with this problem

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 02:52PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I thought they were sending warships to deal with this problem

We're sending a small (small by military standards) OPV (what we use to police fishing zones within Irish waters) to help. LÉ Eithne is the largest ship in the Irish navy, and will serve a couple months before being replaced by another, newer ship.

Yamanoto · 13-05-2015 02:53PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

I think the USA should be forking out and taking them all . They have a large responsibility in this cluster fcuk of a situation .

How so?

Hans Bricks · 13-05-2015 02:54PM

Would it not make more sense to patrol activity hotspots along the Libyan coastline ?

Grandpa Hassan · 13-05-2015 02:54PM

I agree with the Brits here. These migrants are mainly not asylum seekers from North African countries in which the west has intervened (and therefore would have a moral obligation to take them in) but are economic migrants from places like Eritrea and Somalia. Taking them in will encourage more and more in an endless escalation.

MathDebater · 13-05-2015 02:55PM

Where will they live? It's not like there is an abundance of social housing in the country. Where will they work? We have circa 400k unemployed residents. A lot of whom, would be significantly more skilled than these migrants. Will they require language classes? Education? Training? Healthcare? A welfare stipend? Who shall pay for all this?

Mourinho · 13-05-2015 02:56PM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

The brits may be right on this one. The answer is to cut off the source.
At the moment all the trafficers need to do is get some sort of a boat, find a migrant willing to drive it and then fill the boat with paying passengers and send it in a vague northerly direction. They know that the boat will probably be intercepted and the migrants rescued and enter the EU system from there.

Just what I was thinking too even if a boat gets caught they will know their probably going to be let in anyway and with all the patrols even dodgy boats getting into trouble will be rescued.

Honestly the only logical first step is find where these boats are launching destroy them in dock.

LDN_Irish · 13-05-2015 02:56PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Repopulating connacht with poor muslim refugees who don't even speak english is surely a good way to restore population loss in the area without seriously damaging the culture of the area :rolleyes:

Convert to Catholicism and they'd fit right in!

Rhys Essien · 13-05-2015 02:57PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Repopulating connacht with poor muslim refugees who don't even speak english is surely a good way to restore population loss in the area without seriously damaging the culture of the area :rolleyes:

Ah come on,thats like something Nigel Farage would say.A lot of them do speak english and you have to admit that Connacht is very under populated.Culture you say,now where did I hear people on about 'Our Culture' before.

godwin · 13-05-2015 02:58PM

They should pick them up and drop them back where they departed from.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 02:59PM

Mourinho wrote: »

Just what I was thinking too even if a boat gets caught they will know their probably going to be let in anyway and with all the patrols even dodgy boats getting into trouble will be rescued.

Honestly the only logical first step is find where these boats are launching destroy them in dock.

That probably won't work. We should do what Australia did: Tell them "illegal immigrants won't be getting in", set up a camp outside of Europe to deal with applications that they want to lodge, and if people do still try to cross the waters illegally, detain them, tow their boat out to international waters just outside the country they left from with only enough fuel to get back to that country.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 03:01PM

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Ah come on,thats like something Nigel Farage would say.A lot of them do speak english and you have to admit that Connacht is very under populated.Culture you say,now where did I hear people on about 'Our Culture' before.

Very few of them would speak English, and a lot of them would be used to Islamic rule of law. Assimilation would prove incredibly difficult, especially if you're putting them in their own dominated-areas with few natives (example: Malmo in Sweden).

The only idea would be if you intend to try and split them up and spread them around the country, in which case Connacht won't be getting repopulated any time soon

Hans Bricks · 13-05-2015 03:03PM

I can't believe how quickly in which the discussion has descended into culturally cleansing the province Connacht.

Mourinho · 13-05-2015 03:04PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

That probably won't work. We should do what Australia did: Tell them "illegal immigrants won't be getting in", set up a camp outside of Europe to deal with applications that they want to lodge, and if people do still try to cross the waters illegally, detain them, tow their boat out to international waters just outside the country they left from with only enough fuel to get back to that country.

Interesting idea and a good one at that.

MathDebater · 13-05-2015 03:04PM

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Ah come on,thats like something Nigel Farage would say.A lot of them do speak english and you have to admit that Connacht is very under populated.Culture you say,now where did I hear people on about 'Our Culture' before.

'Something Nigel Farage would say'. Yeah, after he's finished dining on new born puppies. Being skeptical of unskilled immigration from outside of the EU is a perfectly rational point of view to hold. EU migration - fine. We signed up to the EU and all that entails. Non skilled non EU migration - not so fine. We have opt outs here and should use them.

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 03:09PM

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Ah come on,thats like something Nigel Farage would say.A lot of them do speak english and you have to admit that Connacht is very under populated.Culture you say,now where did I hear people on about 'Our Culture' before.

Well you can be PC as you like but connacht will be a very different place if most the people there are north african.
And they're refugees not just normal immigrants. They'll literally be put in a rural area with tonnes of elderly irish people and no jobs and nothing to do. Sounds like a perfect society, won't become a crime filled hell hole within a week

jimgoose · 13-05-2015 03:13PM

As the health service continues to disappear over a cliff and an entire underclass of young folk emerges condemned to a pit of unemployment and poverty, I think this is the perfect time to import thousands of pissed-off North Africans and settle them all over the country. You never know, we might be able to start a Renault factory. :pac:

cros13 · 13-05-2015 03:14PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

I can't believe how quickly in which the discussion has descended into culturally cleansing the province Connacht.

You must be new here. Welcome!

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 03:27PM

jimgoose wrote: »

As the health service continues to disappear over a cliff and an entire underclass of young folk emerges condemned to a pit of unemployment and poverty, I think this is the perfect time to import thousands of pissed-off North Africans and settle them all over the country. You never know, we might be able to start a Renault factory. :pac:

Don't be so cynical. They might have a couple witch doctors that could help us out. It'd just be like booking a visit to your GP.

dont bother · 13-05-2015 03:31PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Don't be so cynical. They might have a couple witch doctors that could help us out. It'd just be like booking a visit to your GP.

yeah and they'd be hunting and killing our ginger folk for medicine, mistaking them for albinos.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 03:33PM

dont bother wrote: »

yeah and they'd be hunting and killing our ginger folk for medicine, mistaking them for albinos.

Two birds with one stone, mate.

Outkast_IRE · 13-05-2015 04:39PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

How so?

Their presence and meddling in the middle east over the past 20 years has caused what were once stable enough nations to descend into anarchy. A lot of these migrants are from war torn areas that used to be stable enough.

Grandpa Hassan · 13-05-2015 04:57PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Their presence and meddling in the middle east over the past 20 years has caused what were once stable enough nations to descend into anarchy. A lot of these migrants are from war torn areas that used to be stable enough.

Most are not. They are economic migrants from Eritrea etc rather than asylum seekers from Syria and Libya and the Middle East

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 05:07PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Their presence and meddling in the middle east over the past 20 years has caused what were once stable enough nations to descend into anarchy. A lot of these migrants are from war torn areas that used to be stable enough.

Most war refugees go to neighbouring countries who aren't at war, syrians go to turkey etc. Why do war refugees need to travel thousands of miles to western europe?

Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

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