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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #1982
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Your parents are two women? How did that happen? Aren't you forgetting about someone?

    Nope. I assume you're referring to my father, in which case, that's what he is. He is my father, but not my parent. He did not raise me, but my mothers did. Both of them bore equal responsibility for my upbringing the same way I and my children's mother have the same responsibility.

    A good friend of mine in my teens was raised by her adoptive parents, from about the age of 2 I believe. For all intents and purposes, they are her parents. We'd never turn and say "but they're not really parents though" or similar, because we know its nonsense. To her, they are her parents because they raised her.


  • #1983
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Nope. I assume you're referring to my father, in which case, that's what he is. He is my father, but not my parent. He did not raise me, but my mothers did. Both of them bore equal responsibility for my upbringing the same way I and my children's mother have the same responsibility.

    A good friend of mine in my teens was raised by her adoptive parents, from about the age of 2 I believe. For all intents and purposes, they are her parents. We'd never turn and say "but they're not really parents though" or similar, because we know its nonsense. To her, they are her parents because they raised her.

    You really shouldn't even bother. If someone is putting you in a position that you need to explain this, then they're either on the wind up, or they're such a cretin that it won't do any good anyway.


  • #1984
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Nope. I assume you're referring to my father, in which case, that's what he is. He is my father, but not my parent. He did not raise me, but my mothers did. Both of them bore equal responsibility for my upbringing the same way I and my children's mother have the same responsibility.

    Don't mean to be smart, but things would only be the same way if your children's mother became a lesbian, gave you the boot, and shacked up with another woman to raise your kids. Would you still feel the same way then?


  • #1985
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Nope. I assume you're referring to my father, in which case, that's what he is. He is my father, but not my parent. He did not raise me, but my mothers did. Both of them bore equal responsibility for my upbringing the same way I and my children's mother have the same responsibility.

    A good friend of mine in my teens was raised by her adoptive parents, from about the age of 2 I believe. For all intents and purposes, they are her parents. We'd never turn and say "but they're not really parents though" or similar, because we know its nonsense. To her, they are her parents because they raised her.

    You don't have to justify your family to anyone, lest of all internet trolls


  • #1986
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Don't mean to be smart, but things would only be the same way if your children's mother became a lesbian, gave you the boot, and shacked up with another woman to raise your kids. Would you still feel the same way then?

    Really???? Wow, this is so crass and tactless


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  • #1987
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Don't mean to be smart,................................................................................................................................................ if your children's mother BECAME a lesbian,

    Don't worry about the first statement.


  • #1988
    Dimithy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Dimithy


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Don't mean to be smart, but things would only be the same way if your children's mother became a lesbian, gave you the boot, and shacked up with another woman to raise your kids. Would you still feel the same way then?

    I tried to think of something funny to say, but **** me....


  • #1989
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Don't mean to be smart, but things would only be the same way if your children's mother became a lesbian, gave you the boot, and shacked up with another woman to raise your kids. Would you still feel the same way then?

    Mod

    How about having a bit of tact please? I genuinely can't imagine how insulting that must be.

    We're not going down this direction of discussion. Drop it.


  • #1990
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    This thread is getting ridiculous.


  • #1991
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    smash wrote: »
    This thread is getting ridiculous.

    Ridiculous is a dot to this thread.


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  • #1992
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    efb wrote: »
    Really???? Wow, this is so crass and tactless

    Yes, it certainly is hurtful, but in the context of the discussion on SSM in relation to family matters, it is relevant. If people wish to introduce their personal situations into the topic then they have to expect to have those personal situations discussed in the context of the thread. As in a court of law, the cross examination is sometimes cruel and crass and tactless.


  • #1993
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Don't mean to be smart, but things would only be the same way if your children's mother became a lesbian, gave you the boot, and shacked up with another woman to raise your kids. Would you still feel the same way then?

    I wonder how awful some men must be if "turning" women to lesbianism is a concern.


  • #1994
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Yes, it certainly is hurtful, but in the context of the discussion on SSM in relation to family matters, it is relevant. If people wish to introduce their personal situations into the topic then they have to expect to have those personal situations discussed in the context of the thread. As in a court of law, the cross examination is sometimes cruel and crass and tactless.

    Because what is going to happen is men will turn women into lesbians who will throw them out and go raise the children with another women while the man gets refused access to them.


  • #1995
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Yes, it certainly is hurtful, but in the context of the discussion on SSM in relation to family matters, it is relevant. If people wish to introduce their personal situations into the topic then they have to expect to have those personal situations discussed in the context of the thread. As in a court of law, the cross examination is sometimes cruel and crass and tactless.

    So people deserve to have their personal lives insulted because they discussed them?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1996
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Yes, it certainly is hurtful, but in the context of the discussion on SSM in relation to family matters, it is relevant. If people wish to introduce their personal situations into the topic then they have to expect to have those personal situations discussed in the context of the thread. As in a court of law, the cross examination is sometimes cruel and crass and tactless.

    weakest argument for allowing nasty personal comment


  • #1997
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    Do all opposite sex couples need help in the same manner as same sex couples?
    Should we also exclude those that do from marriage?


  • #1998
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    efb wrote: »
    weakest argument for allowing nasty personal comment

    It's not just a weak argument. It's a shameful endorsement of personalised hurtful comments.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1999
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Your parents are two women? How did that happen? Aren't you forgetting about someone?
    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Don't mean to be smart, but things would only be the same way if your children's mother became a lesbian, gave you the boot, and shacked up with another woman to raise your kids. Would you still feel the same way then?
    Quite possibly 2 of the most ignorant posts I've read on Boards.


  • #2000
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    It's not just a weak argument. It's a shameful endorsement of personalised hurtful comments.
    Par for the course. Of course calling these people up on the plain nastiness they utter would be classed as bullying.


  • #2001
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    Because what is going to happen is men will turn women into lesbians who will throw them out and go raise the children with another women while the man gets refused access to them.

    And all because they're just jealous that they don't have a penis!


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  • #2002
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    So people deserve to have their personal lives insulted because they discussed them?
    efb wrote: »
    weakest argument for allowing nasty personal comment

    Not saying that at all, but if you want to introduce your personal life into a volatile discussion you need to take a moment to consider what the response might be.


  • #2003
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    Par for the course. Of course calling these people up on the plain nastiness they utter would be classed as bullying.

    Don't worry, I'm sure pretty much the entire 'no' side, as ardently anti-bullying as they clearly are, will come leaping to Soniks2k's defense immediately, to give out about such disgusting behaviour.







    Any minute now...................


  • #2004
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    It's not just a weak argument. It's a shameful endorsement of personalised hurtful comments.

    Yeah, you're outraged because someone on the internet was mean.


  • #2005
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Don't worry, I'm sure pretty much the entire 'no' side, as ardently anti-bullying as they clearly are, will come leaping to Soniks2k's defense immediately, to give out about such disgusting behaviour.







    Any minute now...................

    We already have someone saying its ok to claim that their mother kicked out their father to go live with a woman, sure he should have expected it.


  • #2006
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    The 160 differences between Civil Partnership and Civil Marriage are?

    I can't post links but there is a PDF on the 160 diffs in the statute laws online. Maybe someone else can.


  • #2007
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Yeah, you're outraged because someone on the internet was mean.
    Strange, that's the exact reason given by loads of posters here for voting no.


  • #2008
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    Strange, that's the exact reason given by loads of posters here for voting no.

    Butthurt No voters. Who'd a thunk it?


  • #2009
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    Strange, that's the exact reason given by loads of posters here for voting no.

    Yep, and that's pretty dumb too.


  • #2010
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Don't mean to be smart, but things would only be the same way if your children's mother became a lesbian, gave you the boot, and shacked up with another woman to raise your kids. Would you still feel the same way then?

    Don't worry at all, you're not being smart.

    It's a false comparison, because I would not be out of the picture. But in answer, I do believe that should a situation like that arise, the other person should be treated with the same legal rights a step-parent would have.

    And even if that did happen, I'd still truly believe that LGBT parents should allow to be married because, and say it with me again, "this referendum has nothing to do with gay people having children because they already can and do.".

    Anyway, here's a my AMA from a while back http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057365334


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  • #2011
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Yes, it certainly is hurtful, but in the context of the discussion on SSM in relation to family matters, it is relevant. If people wish to introduce their personal situations into the topic then they have to expect to have those personal situations discussed in the context of the thread. As in a court of law, the cross examination is sometimes cruel and crass and tactless.

    People are free to ask questions, but let's keep them relevant. Once again, the referendum doesn't impact LGBT people raising kids, the only change this will have for children is that they will have rights of inheritance with their parents and other tax related things.


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