Cork GAA Discussion Thread

N20 · 12-05-2015 11:03AM

Orizio wrote: »

Ogbene and Harrington are playing soccer.

Fowley is very handy soccer player as well but don't know if that's reason he's not included or not - he has been there or thereabouts

presume Corkdouble you mean Tim Foley ??? Tim O Mahony still with minor hurlers tg - looking forward to seeing him in senior championship at weekend - he had great second half V Limerick in minors - great hand !
was he a dual player at one stage ?

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-05-2015 11:41AM

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Seanie mcgrath come out this morning and said the signs are all good for lads so better news than i taught

fingers crossed

Ellis Murphy and Nash all fine also

People underestimated huge injuries we had the last day I felt v Waterford.
A fully fit cork, total underdogs facing a team blown up to hugely exaggeration of unknown heights with a colossus of a loss in mahony out cork would be in a very very strong position in June imo.

O rourke is meant to be okay for cork football also however it won't make much difference to the football in they have huge huge problems to fix merely a defence midfield and have a forwards at half forward that can create

The most compelling trait this football team is any game cork wins bar a few exceptions it's usually by goals and rarely by points and losses showed v kerry, donegal in donegal, even wins v mayo and monaghan, defeats to Dublin twice last two weeks cork gets goals and can't score points as even v derry shows cork half forwards can't score long distance

The problems are though our goals are late in the games too late like mayo proved last year and lucky v mayo and monaghan yet we cant score points despite brilliant forwards as that's wrong team is picked
Waterford and tipperary showed this in the mcgrath cup even and I said it then but yet just like midfield last year and now again and the defence corks problems are never fixed at all

After donegal in croke park we had talk cork passes ist croker test by a Dublin paper
No they didn't as I said donegal had no interest and those four goals cork got were meaningless in donegal had no interest as Gallagher said after the game yet out set up was at pains to stress we opened donegal up at ease numerous times and how good their blanket is
Again the failure to realise cork done nothing right creating them but all it was was donegal didn't defend
The only good thing was they were finished brilliantly but as Dublin proved they never gave cork those chances until of course the game was over and cork got the trade mark late goals
We heard after donegal an acceptance defence was bad and had to be fixed
Yet in the last three weeks twice Dublin tore it apart yet management think Sunday defence was good when no it was not as Dublin b team in awful conditions opened us up at ease and it was evident in the second half as soon as Dublin like many other teams have done v cork up the gears cork can't stay with them.
A five point loss, in truth if this was a dry day and not in cork Dublin b team would have won this well.
They opened cork up at ease at times.
Huge worries defensive wise against a wonderful kerry forward line.
It's clear since minor cuthbert is the kevin keegan of gaa they scored twenty we score more and against second grade teams it works but against the top teams who's defence is better means cork can't score and then their forwards and midfield open cork up at ease
I'm truly amazed how our shocking defence doesn't get highlighted as it should.

Cork will beat likely to be clare only as it's in cork and cuthbert is lucky like v tipp last year it's at home
Clare will probably have more possession and cut cork open at times however they don't have forwards so they will while organises and resolute under ephie miss lot scores and cork individual brilliance of hurley o Neill Collins dorman etc will win the day for cork but problem is when cork face a team that forces cork to play with a system and game plan the pressure happens
If this was in ennis we would have huge problems
Clare should beat limerick and gave kerry game last year but kerry were in gear it must be remembered.

Cork are lucky in you loose a munster final you're one game away from the quatre final and cuthbert so lucky v sligo last year getting easy draw, lucky get Dublin ist game league at home,, derry away cork already were safe, kerry no interest played cork league cork possibly may get a lucky qualifier

I hope Tyrone beat donegal Sunday and win ulster as cork havent hope beating donegal but as the history proved v Tyrone were their bogey team and while I don't belive this set up the fact we drew them beat them last year cork might have a one off backs wall performance, that's still a lot of hope but imo even if all this happens as soon as cork meet a top team in the all Ireland Semi there going to be up against it

Let's hope donegal don't win ulster and are beaten Sunday
What an awful way to go in to the summer knowing you have no confidence in your team but you hope others do you favours
That's imo our only and best hope this year.
While tough v monaghan or armagh if they won ulster cork would have a chance as in armagh another manager I don't actually rate in he's good yes to a certain level but he's not beyond that in mcgeeny

Donegal would absolutely destroy cork in croke park where there counter attacking and defence even though there not the donegal of old

Donegal being in the ulster mine field will struggle to get out of there
Cork often bemoan we play kerry every year but they don't actually realise how lucky they are when you realise ulster and to lesser extent connaught are tougher than munster by a long distance

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-05-2015 11:46AM

N20 wrote: »

Fowley is very handy soccer player as well but don't know if that's reason he's not included or not - he has been there or thereabouts

presume Corkdouble you mean Tim Foley ??? Tim O Mahony still with minor hurlers tg - looking forward to seeing him in senior championship at weekend - he had great second half V Limerick in minors - great hand !
was he a dual player at one stage ?

Yes your right Fowley brilliant at soccer

Mark foley son tim was on developments squads now playing rugby as a twelve and ace kicker and won leinster cup with roscrea and represented leinster schools and Ireland
Tim o mahony been senior the last two years and he's brother won minor all Ireland fourteen years ago
Outstanding player who can play anywhere up front and has played centre back for club
If he's used right could cause ray Ryan problems Sunday
Nothing against sarafields but I hope they do not win cork county this year as cork needs new blood and sarafields are absolutely dreadful in munster and that's not good for cork hurling

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-05-2015 12:00PM

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1105151911-good-news-on-the-injury-front-for-cork-hurlers/
Cadogan would be a loss but harnedy irreplaceable
Huge bonus if fit

Mountainlad · 12-05-2015 12:26PM

Can I just ask everyone else here what dictates favouritism? Is it, like myself, usually bookies odds ye would use to establish who the consensus favourites for a match are?

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-05-2015 12:30PM

Hopefully no cork hurlers get injured in club games this weekend.

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-05-2015 01:02PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Can I just ask everyone else here what dictates favouritism? Is it, like myself, usually bookies odds ye would use to establish who the consensus favourites for a match are?

What you clearly asking let's call a spade now is what do people think justifies favourites tag in the cork waterford game as you asked the question here

My answer is a lot of variables but cork will belive they have a huge chance but not the bookies will affect players to large degree imo it's papers as the bookies don't right articles but again Sunday another article on waterford as the team that arrived, all last week, louganne and hickey saying yere all Ireland contenders, imo that will all add to the huge expectations on waterford
Many have written cork off for the all ireland but many see waterford as dark horses
I think that says enough
There is no doubt all media profile will certainly put huge huge pressure on waterford and now o mahony out a leader a warrior when the need is greatest is huge blow to waterford but it won't put cork limelight in many critsed cork pride and fight and character so imo cork still have the better motivation factor and all things are lovely down on leeside looking forward to play the national league champions imo

There's huge pressure on jbm hsve no doubt and he needs to answer some serious questions
I think cork will play a sweeper the next day but if they don't I'll be the first to critse him for he's tactics just like I said he was totally wrong after tipp last year tactical wise

There imo is a great misperception I don't critse jbm when I think anyone looks at my post before and after that game last August I said cork would only loose by tactics and I said jbm totally blame last year after tipp

To be fair while no way is it an excuse to say it's acceptable at least jbm admitted he was totally wrong in the defeat in the paper since

Have no doubt I say it now cork loose to waterford it will be management total fault imo
I don't think they will be as naive in June but If so I'll say it

To go further if cork are beaten in June and out played I would geuinely think there's a possibility he may walk in not there's trouble but he gave irish times interview two week ago he said he really though hard coming back

It'd well know cork now players and board huge ask get him back

But remember in 99 after cork beaten by tipp in challenge cusack said last August jbm was going to walk away

Point is yes he committed two year term but he'll questions himself if he thinks he's at fault
Think if waterford out play cork and cork don't play sweeper he'll leave as he said many times wanted cork play he way but unfortunately said this even after cork hammered tipp in league three years ago free style hurling is gone

Counihan took second term but once Dublin won credit due he knew it was time to go year early

If cork loose to waterford imo jbm I doubt will finsh a two year term

There in lies the problem for cork
Cork have no ready made replacement and problem is if jbm doesn't delivery all Ireland the replacement could actually be a lot worse than jbm

People may wonder why I say cork football management cork would be better new set up, it's simply in purely field play there's proven men at least five candidates with proven experience that you could say would do well with cork

I think players are no fools and I'm hoping they sense that they loose jbm may go and it drives huge performance v Waterford

No doubt cork are not all Ireland contenders yet however I do feel getting to the all Ireland series we could get to an all Ireland final

Huge pressure on landers in hopefully he has huge hand changing cork style and jbm always listened to landers my hope is landers hopefully see change needed cork style and jbm will do it

No doubt cork when appointment new manager is made in two years or maybe earlier cork don't have a list of stand out candidates who would get it

lim4ev · 12-05-2015 03:11PM

[Huge pressure on landers in hopefully he has huge hand changing cork style and jbm always listened to landers my hope is landers hopefully see change needed cork style and jbm will do it

I think you are saying cork need style?For me they still have style but lack a few hardened backs

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-05-2015 03:23PM

lim4ev wrote: »

[Huge pressure on landers in hopefully he has huge hand changing cork style and jbm always listened to landers my hope is landers hopefully see change needed cork style and jbm will do it

I think you are saying cork need style?For me they still have style but lack a few hardened backs

Sorry I wasn't clearer

Style I meant was playing style in possession game
They defo I agree lacks full back but Ryan should get more games

CORKDOUBLE · 12-05-2015 04:35PM

N20 wrote: »

Fowley is very handy soccer player as well but don't know if that's reason he's not included or not - he has been there or thereabouts

presume Corkdouble you mean Tim Foley ??? Tim O Mahony still with minor hurlers tg - looking forward to seeing him in senior championship at weekend - he had great second half V Limerick in minors - great hand !
was he a dual player at one stage ?

N20 sorry i did mean Tim Foley !

Figsy32 · 12-05-2015 05:10PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Can I just ask everyone else here what dictates favouritism? Is it, like myself, usually bookies odds ye would use to establish who the consensus favourites for a match are?

I wouldn't say bookies odds are gospel but it'd be a part of it. I suppose the general view of people, experts views and your own personal view would also play a part. I'm not sure how much bookies odds count if you're talking about Cork-Waterford just yet as I presume most of the money won't be lumped on until nearer the game?

zetecescort · 12-05-2015 05:41PM

So the ladies football league final replay fixed for Saturday which is the same day as the Camogie Munster final. Amazing one Association couldn't talk to the other. Tough choice for our dual players.

ShamoBuc · 12-05-2015 06:14PM

zetecescort wrote: »

So the ladies football league final replay fixed for Saturday which is the same day as the Camogie Munster final. Amazing one Association couldn't talk to the other. Tough choice for our dual players.

Beyond a joke

Mountainlad · 12-05-2015 06:56PM

Figsy32 wrote: »

I wouldn't say bookies odds are gospel but it'd be a part of it. I suppose the general view of people, experts views and your own personal view would also play a part. I'm not sure how much bookies odds count if you're talking about Cork-Waterford just yet as I presume most of the money won't be lumped on until nearer the game?

The market would be open to changes closer to the time but bookies odds tend to predict the public opinion. I doubt it will change much to be honest.

Fair point though, equally would you agree 'experts' opinion wouldn't really be relevant until closer to the time too? Especially in light of Mahonys injury, which would definitely temper anything said in the immediate aftermath of the league final.

Figsy32 · 13-05-2015 10:36AM

Mountainlad wrote: »

The market would be open to changes closer to the time but bookies odds tend to predict the public opinion. I doubt it will change much to be honest.

Fair point though, equally would you agree 'experts' opinion wouldn't really be relevant until closer to the time too? Especially in light of Mahonys injury, which would definitely temper anything said in the immediate aftermath of the league final.

To a lesser extent because things can change pretty much right until before the game with dummy teams etc.

I don't really see what you're getting at?

Mountainlad · 13-05-2015 10:51AM

Figsy32 wrote: »

To a lesser extent because things can change pretty much right until before the game with dummy teams etc.

I don't really see what you're getting at?

Yeah but when you know a player has a big injury and is missing it will definitely impact your view.

I just have an issue with Waterford being called huge huge favourites because it is wrong, and in my opinion we're not even favourites. Granted, it's a valid point that we are in a different position to pre league when nobody cared. But the pressure aspect I think is being over sold a bit. And I was just interested is this a consensus Cork view that we are now the publics favourites for the match.

Figsy32 · 13-05-2015 11:03AM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Yeah but when you know a player has a big injury and is missing it will definitely impact your view.

I just have an issue with Waterford being called huge huge favourites because it is wrong, and in my opinion we're not even favourites. Granted, it's a valid point that we are in a different position to pre league when nobody cared. But the pressure aspect I think is being over sold a bit. And I was just interested is this a consensus Cork view that we are now the publics favourites for the match.

I wouldn't have Waterford as favourites and I don't think the majority of people would either though I could be wrong. I don't think either side could be "huge huge favourites" when most people seem to be predicting there'll probably only be a puck of a ball either way in it come the end of the game.

I can see TTM's point that the dynamics seem to have now changed in terms of optimism in Waterford and with that comes a certain anount of expectation, but I think he's reading a bit too much into things. I don't think it's anything particularly overwhelming or over the top from what I've seen here or from talking to people. I'd see it more as having installed a bit of belief. I wouldn't see that as a bad thing for Waterford.

Horse84 · 13-05-2015 12:42PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/cork-s-underage-famine-threatens-the-senior-side-1.2208127?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-05-2015 12:58PM

Horse84 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/cork-s-underage-famine-threatens-the-senior-side-1.2208127?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

A brilliant article and lot home truths

But there's one thing and I said this before many times often lost in these reviews is how poor management were put in charge at under twenty one and at minor
Former ex great players truly Great players in their day that owe cork nothing on the field of play but shouldn't been coaches as there record is poor
That mustn't be forgotten either
We can have all the development systems all the coaching all the talent if you have a have core group like the minors two three years ago who were excellent and could done so much more if like then management isn't as good to compliment the structure it's falls down

Cork minor hurling have that now
Under twenty one has good set up
But for years they didn't
Any coach imo of any inter county team at any grade should not be with a team unless he's proven record in club or some capacity

CORKDOUBLE · 13-05-2015 02:48PM

Best of luck to our minor footballers { yeah they are playing a huge match tonight } there record is as poor as the Minor hurlers .....I have great faith for this team tonight ...I think they might win....REBELS ABU !

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-05-2015 04:54PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Best of luck to our minor footballers { yeah they are playing a huge match tonight } there record is as poor as the Minor hurlers .....I have great faith for this team tonight ...I think they might win....REBELS ABU !

They have a great chance with the team picked.
If management out wit jack o Connor with tactics they will deserve credit
Best of luck to all.

Rebel norrie · 13-05-2015 05:20PM

Senior hurling Champ starts this weekend. Any predictions. Can see Ballyhae beating de Rockies in Fermoy. Parsaigh to beat Youghal. SARS to overcome Newtown. Rovers and Bishopstown hard to call.

willietherock · 13-05-2015 06:18PM

Horse84 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/cork-s-underage-famine-threatens-the-senior-side-1.2208127?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Excellent article. If ROCO AND Gaelscoil could become permanent hurling "academies" and attract and develop the best talent in the city and the Seandun development squads properly looked after , as with this yrs Munster U16 champs, thinks could pick up. But I'll hold my breath. DO'D has been involved with BnaO /development squads within Cork for yrs and is a dyed in the wool football man and hardly has the most inspiring track record when it comes to underage hurling development. The Glen themselves are part of the problem have really let the underage hurling standards slip

zetecescort · 13-05-2015 07:50PM

Cork 5 Kerry 5 15min

zetecescort · 13-05-2015 08:04PM

Cork 7 Kerry 9 HT

zetecescort · 13-05-2015 08:29PM

Kerry 11 Cork 8 42min

zetecescort · 13-05-2015 08:39PM

11 - 9 52min

zetecescort · 13-05-2015 08:41PM

level with 5 left

zetecescort · 13-05-2015 08:47PM

11 each FT. extra time to come

ShamoBuc · 13-05-2015 08:47PM

Drew 11 v 11, having been 8 v 11 down, happy with et

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