Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Same here. There have been very good drag artists but Panti ain't one of them. Panti to me is the Keith Barry of drag artists: one of these people of middling talent we get an overdose of. He jumps on the SSM bandwagon and becomes famous (and rich!) and in the process ... becomes a mirror image of John Waters (another guy we get too much of who also has little talent).

I remember a year and a half back all this so-called 'Pantigate' and all the allegations of slander on both sides. People should see through the likes of Panti and John Waters for what they are: opportunists who bring water (money that is!!) to their own mills.

How is Rory O'Neill making money out of this exactly?

WoolyJumper wrote: »

I'm no drag queen and I wouldn't consider myself particularly camp but I could relate to what he was saying. I find myself "checking myself" constantly. I think he captured pretty well the subtle everyday things gay people experience. There is a reason why it resonated with so many gay people. Whether he did it for money or fame I don't know but certainly a lot of though, feeling and personal experience went into that speech.

I was never a big fan of Panti but he won me over with that speech. In saying that he can be a bit of loose cannon so i'm glad he isn't taking part in the debates.

I'm firmly in the Lily Savage camp (badum tish) and never saw much more than snippets of Panti's act and I was underwhelmed but as you said his speech resonated. It made me realise that I, who was never 'in', do still check myself. First time I had to give a lecture - I checked myself... did I look too 'dyke'... should I tone it down?? Then I copped myself on, stood behind the lectern dressed like Capaldi's Dr before there was even an Eccleston Dr and focused on doing my job not on worrying about how I would be perceived. But until I saw that speech I had forgotten about walking to the lecture theatre and pausing for just a second. To check myself.

As for 'making money' well fair ucks to him. He is a business man - so what? Do people think he should go bankrupt for the cause?

People seem to forget Rory didn't start this... he was a guest on a chat show that is only watched by people who have nothing else to watch it's so terrible. He was asked a direct question and answered it with his honest opinion. It was the actions of those who took offensive which plunged a relatively unknown drag act into the spotlight and they got more than they bargained for when he refused to back down and be ashamed. He was a catalyst who happened, as it turned out, to be in the right place at the right time and voiced what many gay Irish people feel.

I'm glad we finally heard from the Adoption Authority.

Mullen attacking the Childrens charities now

WoolyJumper wrote: »

is a reason why it resonated with so many gay people. Whether he did it for money or fame I don't know but certainly a lot of though, feeling and personal experience went into that speech.

Well I think he pulled it out of the bag for sure. My folks (v. middle class intellectual types) thought he was fabulously eloquent and his speech incredibly necessary. Now for them to come out with that about a drag queen (far from drag they were reared....) is the kind of "something special" they usually reserve for extremely understated philosophers and playwrights. They and their friends are now big fans, so I'm not going to knock Panti at all.

Loose cannon maybe....in the way that many loose cannons speak truths that other people don't dare to "for fear of rocking the boat". I love Panti to bits tbh. Big love going on here!

He's not getting as many claps, well now the no side are clapping for him he might get more..

Debating with no voters is seriously draining. They are too stuck in their ways. Roll on Friday week!

kevin12345 wrote: »

Debating with no voters is seriously draining. They are too stuck in their ways. Roll on Friday week!

The No side seem like there waking away with this..Covney is more angry than passionate.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The No side seem like there waking away with this..Covney is more angry than passionate.

I'm not surprised. It must be so frustrating. They are presenting people with the facts, they are putting forth the idea of experts on children's welfare/adoption processes and people still have the cheek to say "I'm not reassured." What do they actually want him to say?

I wish that woman raised by two mothers had asked Mullen or Eames why they wanted to deny her and her parents the right to be considered a family.

Why they were encouraging people to vote to deny her and her parents that right.

I think if a lot on the yes side heard my father's comments on the referendum you wouldn't know whether to laugh or hit him or both.
I think his generation are definitely in the one camp and not for changing. Some of the stuff he is saying is making me sound like David Norris in his pomp in comparison!
I did suggest that he go on boards.ie...but I am not sure he would know how...

He told me that one of his friends (even older then him in his eighties) got very annoyed when the referendum was even mentioned.

I think I will just vote yes to cancel my auld fellas vote out so then its at least 1-1 in football parlance.

That might not be a valid reason but it feels better then spoiling it!

For those who like a punt -
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/other-politics/irish-politics/Gay-Marriage-Referendum-Result-4481205.html

The bookies are rarely wrong - it looks like game over for the no side. Yes is unbackable.

Blessed be the biggots, and the big noses.

osarusan wrote: »

That blond-haired bigot and the ould priest are doing their side no favours.

The one who moved over from Massachusetts was great advertisement for homophobia too!

Ronan Mullen is intolerable! He blatantly lied in his closing speech when he said LGBT already have full legal rights with civil partnerships.

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

The one who moved over from Massachusetts was great advertisement for homophobia too!

People on both sides were clapping anything at all from their own side, but the old priest and that guy (I think) were the only ones that didn't get applause even from their own side.

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Ronan Mullen is intolerable! He blatantly lied in his closing speech when he said LGBT already have full legal rights with civil partnerships.

He said it twice. Coveney should have made more of it. Hopefully some presenter will call him on it over the next 10 days.