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Whats The Point of Earning 100k Salaries in Ireland

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  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The op might as well say its not fair that I cant afford an Audi TT on my 100k salary. I am not saying all is perfect with the tax situation in Ireland but its not perfect anywhere.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    The unemployed have the latest iPhones, full Sky TV subscription and go on multiple holidays a year according to some on this site. How bad.
    Somebody (I can't remember who) said it! Close enough to a fact for me!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    JamesC7 wrote: »
    Being self-employed in Ireland is a different story though. 12.5 corp tax, tax credits, 2 years tax exemption.

    If you have a company that pays 12.5% Corporation Tax, then you're not self-employed.

    You pay PAYE as any other employee.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Free Hat


    Im sorry but this is the nonsensical ramblings of someone who will never ever reach an executive level. Earning more than $75k will not make you happy? Money gives people choices and choices make people happy.

    Not everyone wants to reach an executive level. It can be stressful and demanding on your personal life. Some people rather find a balance between the two.

    At the moment I am working in a management position but to be honest, I was happier earning less money further down the ladder.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    JamesC7 wrote: »
    Being self-employed in Ireland is a different story though. 12.5 corp tax, tax credits, 2 years tax exemption.

    Self-employed people don't have employer-paid insurance covering them for the risk of unemployment; their insurance payments doubled last year; if they earn over €100,000 they have to pay a special high rate of 11% Universal Social Insurance which is not charged to other people earning this rate; a self -employed worker on annual earnings of €15,000 – less than half the average industrial wage – will pay 14.9 per cent of gross income in tax. A civil servant on the same will pay 1.9 per cent on that same sum. The self-employed person will pay €2,235 – almost eight times the €285 tax bill of the civil service employee.
    Im sorry but this is the nonsensical ramblings of someone who will never ever reach an executive level. Earning more than $75k will not make you happy? Money gives people choices and choices make people happy.

    It's true - why bother, unless you particularly love the higher-earning work. Racking my brains to imagine what greater choices €100k would give me than €50k… A nicer class of negative equity, maybe?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,397 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Im sorry but this is the nonsensical ramblings of someone who will never ever reach an executive level. Earning more than $75k will not make you happy? Money gives people choices and choices make people happy.

    It's not a rambling, it's a study, and there have been several other studies that all show the obvious, that money can buy you happiness up to a point, but once you reach a certain level, extra income doesn't make you any happier.

    If you have a BMW 7 series or a BMW 3 series, you're not going to feel happier day to day once the novelty wears off. They're both nice comfortable cars that do the same job, but one is twice the price of the other.

    But if you have any reliable comfortable car, you're going to feel happier than if you have an old unreliable car that keeps breaking down but you can't afford to get it fixed or replace it.

    The different kinds of choices you have on 200k versus 75 K aren't significantly going to affect your happiness. In Europe, 75k will meet your day to day living expenses with a decent amount left over for recreation and self actualisation

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Here is an interesting issue with tax on earnings in Ireland, I was working full time till this year and now I work 75% of full hours yet my take home salary is 90% of what it was when working full time the law of diminishing returns I think its called.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭SuprSi


    Comparable UK income/tax for a married person;

    £60k = £42,125.70
    £100k = £65,325.70
    Difference = £23,200

    Definitely better than in Ireland, and that's before the newly re-elected Conservatives introduce their new tax measures which will significantly improve things.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SuprSi wrote: »
    Comparable UK income/tax for a married person;

    £60k = £42,125.70
    £100k = £65,325.70
    Difference = £23,200

    Definitely better than in Ireland, and that's before the newly re-elected Conservatives introduce their new tax measures which will significantly improve things.

    I have relative living in the uk, have you take in to account council charges in the Uk although that might be cancelled our by the free health care I am not sure.

    My Daughter pays something like £1,200 of council tax a year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 macmontyson


    An additional €18.5k a year is over €1.5k per month......... that can get you a lot if used wisely!

    Education fund for your kids
    Contributions towards your pension
    Weekend breaks in Europe every month
    All of the above

    If you have a job that promote a good work life balance the additional stress is worth it.

    Money worries cause more stress than anything.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,397 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The Law of diminishing returns to relates economic activity where it gets more expensive to produce once you pass a certain threshold

    For example, if you have a field of corn, you can harvest 90% of the crop using a standard harvester costing 90,000, but if you want to harvest 95% of the crop, you need to spend more money on a more advanced machine, costing an extra 50,000 and if you want to harvest 99% of the crop, you need to spend money on hiring an army of farm workers to physically collect the left over corn from the field costing an extra 80,000c
    The first 90% of the crop can be harvested for 1000 per percent yield, the additional 5% costs 10,000 per percent yield, and the additional 4% costs 20k per percent yield.

    This is the law of diminishing returns. The closer you get to maximum production, the more expensive it gets, the optimum production is where the marginal income is slightly higher than the marginal cost of production.

    For wages, the law of diminishing marginal returns kicks in at the thresholds where people may qualify for state benefits (eg, you no longer qualify for a medical card, or a higher education grant for your kids) it doesn't usually apply to higher incomes because even if your extra income from higher wages are eroded by tax, you're never going to get to a point where earning higher wages actually reduces your income. (unless you have some bizzare personal circumstance where your financial obligations increase the more you earn)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    On the money making you happy thing, have a good look at all the back ground information on Graham Dwyer.

    People who believe that having money and statues type possession such as expensive car will make them happy tend to believe that very strongly and for them it might be true their whole sense of themselves is constructed form what they have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭SuprSi


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I have relative living in the uk, have you take in to account council charges in the Uk although that might be cancelled our by the free health care I am not sure.

    My Daughter pays something like £1,200 of council tax a year.

    Very true, not something I included. We currently pay around £1,900 a year in council tax though as you said the NHS is completely free, which includes GP's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    smash wrote: »
    This isn't the 80's. 100k a year isn't a company CEO managing a few hundred staff. 100k a year is an achievable salary in many industries. What's this "extra stress" you talk about?

    Salary is aligned with responsibility. If you think that someone on 100k is just breezing through and working their 9-5 then you are badly misguided.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    Aidric wrote: »
    Salary is aligned with responsibility. If you think that someone on 100k is just breezing through and working their 9-5 then you are badly misguided.

    The point is valid. 100k is an achievable salary which does not bring senior managerial responsibility. It is not 9 till 5, but would not entail too much accountability. It is an achievable middle management salary.

    If you were talking 150 / 200k +, I would agree with you. But I would add that I cannot think of anything worse than just 'breezing through'. Pressure and responsibility is good.....it keeps me on my toes and makes life interesting. Pressure only becomes stress if you don't respond to it well


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aidric wrote: »
    Salary is aligned with responsibility. If you think that someone on 100k is just breezing through and working their 9-5 then you are badly misguided.

    I know someone who very genuinely believes Tony O Brian the director of the HSE only works 9 to 5.30 and the his job must be a breeze and cant be that stressful because its a government job. This person genuinely believes this.

    Not justifying the HSE or anything but I would say running the HSE is anything but a breeze.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Stillhouette


    Forget the cheap likes, I'm enjoying getting to you with such an obvious joke

    I knew you were a funny guy but you are on a completely different level. When do you tour?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭duffman13


    I've got disagree somewhat, as I progress up the ladder my work life balance improves. My performance gets me up the ladder, at which point it's about surrounding yourself with the right people and having a positive image in order to progress further or maintain your position. There is more pressure (slightly) but I'd say my work load has dropped by about 10% with each promotion I've received.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Sure you put money in a tax shelter like property(!).. That's what Irish people do..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Aidric wrote: »
    Salary is aligned with responsibility. If you think that someone on 100k is just breezing through and working their 9-5 then you are badly misguided.

    Absolutely...I am a partner in a firm since last summer. My basic salary is actually fairly rubbish for the hours I do (£35k sterling) but it's the profit share at the the financial year that will kick it up. It's my first year and I am expecting circa. £60k (before tax) on top toward the end of the summer.

    Office is open 9-5 Monday to Friday but my hours are a min. 65-70 hour, six day a week. Leaving before 7pm is an achievement. Doesnt include the sleepness nights...

    Of course as it linked to profit, the harder I work, the more work and clients I bring in, the greater the profit.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 JamesC7


    The point is valid. 100k is an achievable salary which does not bring senior managerial responsibility. It is not 9 till 5, but would not entail too much accountability. It is an achievable middle management salary.

    If you were talking 150 / 200k +, I would agree with you. But I would add that I cannot think of anything worse than just 'breezing through'. Pressure and responsibility is good.....it keeps me on my toes and makes life interesting. Pressure only becomes stress if you don't respond to it well
    What jobs can you earn 100k quickly and are not highly demanding?
    I have met many high earners and all say their jobs are extremely demanding.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    If you are good enough to earn a salary like that then chances are that money is not your sole motivation. You know, pride at been the best at what you do, power etc etc...

    You don't actually have to be that good to make a 100k. It's fairly achievable without even being a manager.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    If you just look at the bare facts on the opening post it does look unfair.

    VAT, VRT, Motor tax and many other charges are charged at the same rate whether you earn one euro or millions, you have to factor this in.

    The more income you have the more you can write of against your taxes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    JamesC7 wrote: »
    What jobs can you earn 100k quickly and are not highly demanding? I have met many high earners and all say their jobs are extremely demanding.
    Fianna Fáil party whip €87,258 + €17,480 = €105k
    Dunno if that's accurate still


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,163 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    mariaalice wrote: »
    On the money making you happy thing, have a good look at all the back ground information on Graham Dwyer.

    People who believe that having money and statues type possession such as expensive car will make them happy tend to believe that very strongly and for them it might be true their whole sense of themselves is constructed form what they have.
    The way I see it: money can't make me happy, but it can buy out many causes of unhappiness. What's left after that is my problem. I'll take that chance, thank you. :p

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bnt wrote: »
    The way I see it: money can't make me happy, but it can buy out many causes of unhappiness. What's left after that is my problem. I'll take that chance, thank you. :p

    I believe in the Buddhist philosophy that it is you desires that make you unhappy :P The cause of your unhappiness is not the lack of 'things' but you desire to have things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    I know one or two people who thought the grass was greener on the other side of the pond. To be fair they money is great but you've no time to spend it! The yanks work mental hours with very little leave for their money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    Aidric wrote: »
    Salary is aligned with responsibility. If you think that someone on 100k is just breezing through and working their 9-5 then you are badly misguided.

    How much is it that train drivers are paid? They're responsible daily for the lives of several hundred people…


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    A friend of mine works in the City of London in a large multinational law firm- 24 hour a day operation. He is pulling in £160k pa plus bonuses and all the benefits you like- but he was no life to spend it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    How much is it that train drivers are paid? They're responsible daily for the lives of several hundred people…

    The society we live in values and rewards wealth creation and accumulation more...


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